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Lot 63, Eldorado Springs 2nd.
Permit released 6/7/2017 DM
Dan Mogen
From: Dan Mogen
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:34 PM
To: Joni Crist; 'lindseyprogen@yahoo.com'
Cc: Jill White
Subject: RE: Grading Plan Permit B1702297
My apologies, I sent that last email prematurely. To continue...
This proposed addition and the associated net increase in impervious area shown on your plan is relatively minor and is
actually less than the threshold at which a grading plan is required (350sf). Because of this, I am signing off on your
permit, but I did want to communicate this with you so you are aware of the situation. Please feel free to contact me if
you would like to discuss this further.
Best,
Dan
Dan Mogen, EI, CFM
Development Review Engineer
Water Utilities Engineering
City of Fort Collins
(970)224-6192
dmo�en@fc�ov.com
From: Dan Mogen
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:26 PM
To: Joni Crist; 'lindseyprogen@yahoo.com'
Cc: Jill White
Subject: RE: Grading Plan Permit B1702297
Lindsey,
Thank you for reaching out and providing this information. In reviewing this, I have discovered that your lot (lot 63) was
developed back in the 1970s as a part of Eldorado Springs 2"d. At that time, grading and drainage were not considered in
the same way they are now; hence, I do not have a subdivision grading plan showing where lots should drain to and the
plat does not include drainage easements for draining thru adjacent lots.
Based on the grading plan that you have provided, I understand that you will be maintaining existing drainage patterns
for your property, and also that drainage from these improvements will drain to the back of lot which will presumably
continue onto the adjacent property. It is important to ensure that any increase in stormwater will not adversely affect
downstream neighbors; please see below regarding such issues and potential ramifications.
That said, this proposed addition and the associated net increase in impervious area shown on your plan..
Addressing stormwater drainage in an urban setting presents many challenges for property owners. The City
encourages neighbors work together to safely convey stormwater runoff through their properties in ways
consistent with City codes. The City does not participate in negotiations between private property owners, nor
provide legal advice in these situations.
In Colorado, upstream property owners are prohibited from directing stormwater onto downstream
neighboring properties in a quantity or manner as to cause harm. A landowner may generally reroute water
within the boundary of his/her property, provided that runoff onto the property is allowed to enter in the
same location and volume. Directing water onto a neighboring property in a manner different from the
historic pattern (i.e. volume of runoff, peak discharge, whether the runoff is concentrated in one location or
sheet flows off the property) may be considered a trespass. It is recommended that landowners consult a
qualified engineer before re-directing the flow of water on/off their property.
In the event of a dispute over stormwater runoff, neighbors are encouraged to seek a resolution without going
to court. Colorado courts have the ultimate authority in stormwater drainage disputes; however, court rulings
may not make either side happy. The City's Neighborhood Services Department offers mediation services that
can help neighbors come to a mutually-beneficial resolution on their own. For further information:
• Visit the Mediation Services Webpage at: http://www.fc�ov.com/mediation/
• Call Mediation Services at: (970) 224-6022
• Read Nei�hbor Law (more information can be found at: http://www.nolo.com/products/nei�hbor-law-
nei.html)
Frequentiv Asked Draina�e Questions
Why must I deal with somebody else's water on my land?
Colorado courts regularly uphold the principal that increasing or decreasing the amount of water entering or
leaving a property creates legal injury to private and real property interest. Property owners are encouraged
to seek legal counsel whenever seeking to alter historical drainage conditions.
Can I block water running from my neighbor's yard into mine?
It may violate state and local drainage policy to prevent water from entering your property where it has
historically entered. In addition, altering drainage on an individual lot in a subdivision may violate private
covenants or local government development codes, which may require the original drainage to be re-
established at your cost. Property owners are encouraged to seek independent legal counsel whenever
seeking to alter historical drainage conditions.
Dan Mogen, EI, CFM
Development Review Engineer
Water Utilities Engineering
City of Fort Collins
(970)224-6192
dmo�en@fc�ov.com
From: Joni Crist
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 7:40 AM
To: WaterUtilitiesEng
Cc: Jill White
Subject: FW: Grading Plan Permit B1702297
From: Lindsey Progen [mailto:lindseyprogen@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:42 PM
To: UtilityFees
Subject: Grading Plan Permit B1702297
Hello
We are taking care of some workflow tasks (SW Eng Review and SW Fee Review) outlined on the Fort Collins
Citizen Portal for Permit B 1702297 for a residential addition on 2607 Shadow Mountain Drive.
I have attached a grading plan, including arrows indicating flow direction.
I have outlined below the existing and new impervious areas, as well as included these on the grading plan.
Existing Impervious Area:
House: 1200 sf
Driveway: 783 sf
Sidewalk: 330 sf
Deck: 300 sf
Sunroom: 270 sf
New Impervious Area
Addition: 365 sf
Deck: 442 sf
***New addition and new deck are replacing existing sunroom and deck structures. Therefore, the net
additional impervious square footage will be 207 sf�**
Thanks so much for your help. Please contact me if you need additional information.
Lindsey and DJ Nickerson
970-988-4546