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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPARK SOUTH COMMERCIAL PLAZA, 2ND FILING, LOT 2B, HORSETOOTH CARWASH - FDP - 37-94F - CORRESPONDENCE - PHOTOMETRIC PLANSteve Olt - RE: FW: Tidal Wave Cant -----Original Message ----- From: Steve Olt [mailto:SOLT@fcgov.comj Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:18 PM To: oa@the-architects-studio.com Subject: Re: Tidal Wave Carwash Oussama, Staff has 2 questions: 1. The proposed 2 light fixtures on the west side of the building, being detached on 10' high poles, are the same. Why the dramatic difference in the foot-candle values at the bases, ranging from 18.3 foot-candles to 24.4 foot-candles? 2. The second question is even more of concern. The proposed 3 light fixtures in the vacuum areas, being under canopies, have foot-candle values ranging from 11.4 foot-candles to 26.4 foot-candles. They are all the same fixtures. What makes these values differ so much? Is there an error on the Photometric Plan? Steve >>> "Oussama Abbas" <oa@the-architects-studio.com> 04/19 11:33 AM >>> Steve, We are trying to get mylors for the Horsetooth carwash project. I talked to you last week and was told not to submit the mylors before getting our final compliance approval. Can you please give us a time frame on how long it might take to get the approval? Thank you, Oussama Abbas The Architects' Studio 151 West Mountain Avenue Fort Collins, Colorado 80524 Phone: 970 482 8125 Fax: 970 482 8450 CC: "Oussama Abbas" <oa@the-architects-studio.com> Page 3 Steve Olt - RE: FW: Tidal Wave Cary Page 2 foot-candles and bring them into or closer to the requirements set forth in the Land Use Code? Steve >>> "Travis Pofahl" <travis@rjmcnutt.com> 04/19 5:10 PM >>> Steve, Please consider that the closer to the source you are the brighter it's going to be and you are looking at a 10' x 10' calculation grid so the light levels 10' away from each other will be different. You also must consider points on the grid where multiple light sources are contributing to a single point. The difference in light levels is more noticeable below the canopy than the poles because the canopy lights are closer to the calculation grid (the ground) producing a steeper gradient (it's going to be bright below the fixture and fade off quickly). Hopefully this addresses your concerns on the matter. Travis Pofahl, P.E. RJ McNutt and Associates 5587 W. 19th St Greeley, CO 80634 Email: travis@rjmcnutt.com Phone: 970-330-3266 Fax:970-330-3667 Travis, I got these questions from the city regarding the carwash. Please take a look at them and let me know what do you think. Thanks Oussama Abbas The Architects' Studio 151 West Mountain Avenue Fort Collins, Colorado 80524 Phone: 970 482 8125 Fax: 970 482 8450 Steve Olt - RE: FW: Tidal Wave Carr Page From: "Travis Pofahl" <travis@rjmcnutt.com> To: "Steve Olt" <SOLT@fcgov.com> Date: 04/20/2005 5:00:25 PM Subject: RE: FW: Tidal Wave Carwash Steve, As I stated before you must consider the additional sources contributing to these points. The pole on the south has more fixtures surrounding it so that is probably why we are seeing higher values there. As for the canopy lights, this is my third revision to the drawing. My original submittal got rejected because I exceeded 10fc, so I revised the drawing to meet the 10fc requirement. The owner/architect informed me that the lower wattage was not acceptable and that they were going to apply for a variance to the code so I installed the fixtures as instructed by the owner/architect. The city and the owner/architect need to come to an agreement as to what is going to be required/allowed before we go through another round of changes. Whatever is decided upon I would be happy to submit a revision on it as we can put this issue to rest. I'm just guessing, but present values under the canopy probably range somewhere between 35 and 10 fc depending on where you calculate a point, the differences you are seeing are just where sample points are taken. With a recessed metal halide so close to the ground there won't be a smooth distribution, so different points will have different values. Thanks, Travis -----Original Message ----- From: Steve Olt [mailto:SOLT@fcgov.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:36 AM To: travis@rjmcnutt.com Cc: oa@the-architects-studio.com Subject: Re: FW: Tidal Wave Carwash Travis, Actually, I still have 2 questions. Regarding the 2 AA3 fixtures, why is the spot value at the "base" of the northerly pole 19.5 foot-candles and the spot value at the "base" of the southerly pole 24.4 foot-candles? These spots seem to be similar in their relationship to their respective poles & fixtures, distance -wise. Regarding the 3 EE fixtures under the vacuum canopies, light sources and pole heights being the same, why do the values change so dramatically from canopy to canopy. The north canopy (admittedly smaller than the other two) has spot values of 11.4 & 12.3 foot-candles, the middle canopy has spot values of 15.2 & 21.3 foot-candles, the south canopy has spot values of 16.1 & 26.4 foot-candles. Can the light sources on these fixtures be changed to decrease the