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Home My WebLink AboutOVERLAND HILLS WEST RF SITE PLAN REVIEW - 38 90D - MINUTES/NOTES - CORRESPONDENCE-NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGCity of Fort Collins Date: Project: Comma. f Planning and Environmental _vices Planning Department Minutes of a NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING July 22, 1992 Overland Hills, Third Filing (Overland Hills West) Applicant: Jim Gefroh Gefroh-Hattman, Architects 145 West Swallow Road Fort Collins, CO. 80526 City Planner: Stephen Olt This meeting was held to introduce a development proposal to the residents in this area. Mr. Gefroh, the property owner's representative, presented a conceptual plan to the respondents that proposes approximately 60 single family residential lots on 60 acres in the RF, Foothills Residential Zoning District. This property is located at the west end of West Horsetooth Road and north of County Road 38E. The potential Overland Trail extension is within the property boundaries. The following questions & answers, comments & responses, and concerns were expressed at this meeting: 1. QUESTION: Are any improvements to Horsetooth Road planned with this development? ANSWER: Horsetooth Road will be constructed to just west of the entrance intersection to the approved Overland Hills, Second Filing with that development. Overland Hills West will construct Horsetooth Road to Overland Trail and the portion of Overland Trail that will be on that property from the north to south boundaries. 2. QUESTION: What are the projected dates for this development and Overland Trail extension? ANSWER: We will be submitting the Preliminary Plan as soon as possible with construction beginning as early as August, 1993. 3. QUESTION: What street improvements will be needed for the two streets in question? ANSWER: Horsetooth Road will be built to a collector status, Overland Trail will be built to a full width arterial. 281 North College Avenue • P.O. Box 580 • Fort Collins, CO 80522-0580 • (303) 221-6750 I 4. QUESTION: Is the arterial status for Overland Trail inevitable? ANSWER: No, it is not. 5. QUESTION: Then why plan for the full width and burden the developer with the responsibility? ANSWER: The ultimate status of Overland Trail will be determined during the development review process in the City, and the development will be responsible for its portion of street construction. 6. COMMENT: It is now time for the City to solicit viewpoints from the neighbors in the surrounding area and gain their input as to what is really necessary and what will be the outcome of development in this area. 7. COMMENT: We want a commitment from the City on the final design and location of Overland Trail. 8. QUESTION: How will this affect your development if Overland Trail is not required to be constructed to an arterial status? ANSWER; The number of lots and the overall density would not change; however, the street alignments possibly would change. 9. COMMENT: Because this development wants to occur here appears to dictate the need to build Overland Trail. 10. QUESTION: What about access to the public open space from the existing developments? Will a pedestrian and bicycle trail be provided with this development? ANSWER: That has not yet been determined. 11. COMMENT: This development as shown looks like any other development. What makes this area and zoning district different? RESPONSE: There is an overall density cap, being 1 dwelling unit per acre, that must be achieved in the RF District whether you develop large residential lots or a residential cluster development plan. The large lot option requires minimum 2.29 acre lots, giving a more rural appearance to the area. Cluster development must maintain a 3 to 5 dwelling units per acre density, which will provide for at least a third of the property to remain as open space integrated into the development proposal. 12. COMMENT: Why can you, as a City Planner, not take our concerns back to the City as an advocate of those concerns and promote that this street should not be built as an arterial for good planning reasons. 13. COMMENT: We (the neighborhood) need a meeting with all persons that have any real decision -making ability to participate in another meeting on these issues. (It was then stated that representatives from City Transportation and the Poudre R-1 School District should definitely be involved.) 14. COMMENT: The City appears to be setting in concrete the location and design of Overland Trail extension. 15. QUESTION: Will you notify us personally of any additional meeting to discuss our concerns? ANSWER: Yes, a letter similar to the one that was sent for notification of this meeting will be sent to the original list of Affected Property Owners as well as all present tonight. 16. COMMENT: The construction traffic in the area is already a real problem for the children going to Olander Elementary School. 17. COMMENT: There appears to be real mis -communication within the City concerning the information being conveyed to the developers and property owners about the location and timing for Overland Trail extension. 18. QUESTION: If there is a Spring Creek floodplain that would disallow development to the north of Overland Hills, would the City build Overland Trail anyway? ANSWER: Floodplains, unlike floodways, can be modified to allow certain types of development to occur within the established floodplain limits. 19. QUESTION: Did the City tell you (Mr. Gefroh) how big the bridge had to be over Spring Creek? ANSWER: Yes, they have indicated generally how the design of the bridge has to be done to accommodate the potential stormwater flooding in Spring Creek. 20. QUESTION: How will the stormwater be directed and will any on - site detention be provided? ANSWER: Natural surface water drainage will flow to the east to Spring Creek. Crossing of the creek, over or under, will have to be provided for with this development. Possible on - site detention has not yet been addressed but will have to be with the preliminary Planned Unit Development submittal. 21. COMMENT: The City was afraid to open Pandora's Box with the 1st & 2nd Filings of Overland Hills. Now it has to happen with this request (Mr. Gefroh). 22. QUESTION: If the City takes the stance that Overland Trail will have to be built in the location that is proposed, will you, as the developer's representative, take a position on the status of the street? 23. COMMENT: People who will be permanently affected will not favor the construction of Overland Trail. 24. QUESTION: Where will your water and sanitary sewer services come from? ANSWER: Water service is provided by the Fort Collins -Loveland Water District and is presently in the area. Sanitary sewer will be City of Fort Collins services by main lines that will have to be extended south from the Quail Hollow area. 25. QUESTION: What type of homes are you proposing, from a size and cost standpoint? ANSWER: We really haven't thought about that yet. 26. QUESTION: Will you take these concerns to your client: * Safety, * Wildlife, * Environment; and, will he be sensitive to the strong concerns about the human side of this proposal? 27. QUESTION: Will the applicant be responsible for the trail connection through the development and open space? ANSWER: The question of the need for a trail and who will be responsible for the construction of that trail will be determined during the formal City review process. 28. COMMENT: What we are saying here is that if the access street to this development is constructed as a local street and we get a bicycle trail, then we will be happy! 29. COMMENT: We think that residents of Quail Hollow, a Poudre R-1 School District representative, and someone from Larimer County should be at the next meeting on these issues. 30. COMMENT: The street lighting in Overland Hills 1st & 2nd Filings is atrocious. RESPONSE: Overland Hills 1st Filing is still under construction and I'm (Mr. Olt) not sure that the street lighting in the 1st Filing is activated yet. The 2nd Filing is approved but not yet recorded; therefore, no construction (and that includes street lighting) is under way in this development. 31. QUESTION: Why does Overland Trail have to be a 4 lane arterial rather than a 2 lane local street? ANSWER: The status of this street was established in 1981 with the adoption of the City's Master Street Plan. The need for arterial streets on the periphery of development to move concentrated traffic north -south and east -west, quickly and efficiently, is a clearly defined planning principal. When the Street Master Plan was originally adopted the need for a future arterial street in this location was identified. The plan is now in the process of being reviewed and conceivably revised. 32. QUESTION: Have you considered the types of homes and covenants as part of the review process? ANSWER: Those considerations have not been made yet. The proposal is currently not in the review process and the types of homes and associated covenants on the project would be private issues, not the City's primary concerns. I 0 PROJECT: TYPE OF MEETING: ` D A T E: 2 '44 NAD1E ADDRESS WRITTEN NOTIFICATION YES/NO 0WNER RENTS o2, -44S �esaar%-_4 IN+ N� .. ^ . 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