HomeMy WebLinkAboutCorrespondence - Applicant Communication - 09/05/5202
September 5, 2024
Kimberly Nelson
WRCC, Inc.
Larimer and Weld Irrigation Company
106 Elm Avenue
Eaton, CO 80615
RE: Sonders Village, PDP230012, Round 2 Comments
Dear Kimberly:
As requested by WRCC, Inc (WRCC) and Larimer and Weld Irrigation Company (LWIC), W.W.
Wheeler & Associates, Inc (Wheeler) has reviewed the 2nd round of documents provided by
Waters Edge Investments, LLLP, Developer (Applicant) for the Sonders Village (City of Fort
Collins No: PDP230012) and are providing our comments. The Applicant is proposing to develop
proposed mixed use 689-unit residential neighborhood development located immediately west
WRCC’s Number 8 Outlet Ditch (No. 8 Canal) northeast of the intersection of Richards Lake Road
and Turnberry Road in Fort Collins, CO. Figure 1 presents a vicinity map from the Applicant’s site
drawings.
Figure 1 – Vicinity Map depicting project location.
Kimberly Nelson, WRCC & LWIC
September 5, 2024
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Water from the No. 8 Canal flows into the Larimer and Weld Canal (LWC) which is owned and
operated by LWIC. WRCC and LWIC are herein referred to as the Companies.
Mr. Hayden Strickland of Wheeler previously provided comments on the Round 1 documents in
a letter from Ecological Resource Consultants, Inc (ERC) dated October 18,2023. Mr. Strickland
also met with the Applicant’s Engineer, Mr. John Gooch of Aspen Engineering on January 30,
2024 and provided Mr. Gooch a summary of that meeting on February 13, 2024. A copy of that
meeting summary is provided in Appendix A.
The applicants have not addressed all the issues raised by WRCC and do not have an agreement
with WRCC to relocate the No. 8 Canal or to discharge stormwater into the ditch. This letter
focuses on the documents the Applicant submitted to the City of Fort Collins; however, the
Companies remain open to meeting with Sonders to discuss alternatives in more detail.
The documents Wheeler reviewed and our comments on each are shown below:
Response to Surveyor Comments
Filename: 1_CMNTS_RESPONSE_SURVEYOR COMMENTS - (8-7-24).pdf
1. No comments.
Responses to Staff Comments for Sonders Village, PDP230012, Round Number 1, dated
September 22, 2023
Filename: 1_CMNTS_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
2. Engineering Development Review Comment No. 1 – Need for an agreement with Ditch
Company - Wheeler understands that the Companies have not yet signed an agreement
with the Applicants.
3. Stormwater Engineering, Comment No. 4 - In-advertent detention location – Wheeler has
not seen any proposed separation distance from the relocated ditch and any inadvertent
storage areas. Please provide a figure of the proposed in-advertent storage areas and a
proposed separation distance from the relocated ditch.
4. Stormwater Engineering Comment No. 5 – Master Plan Ditch Side Spill - Please provide
the specific exhibit referenced. Wheeler understands that there is an agreement limiting
the rate of stormwater discharge for this property to 10 cfs. The Applicant should revise
the plans to limit stormwater discharge to 10 cfs per this agreement.
Parcel Description Sonders Subdivision
Filename: 1_LEGAL_PLAT_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
5. Wheeler did not review this document.
Project Narrative
Filename: 1_NARRATIVE_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
Kimberly Nelson, WRCC & LWIC
September 5, 2024
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6. No comments.
Building Details
Filename: 2_ARCH_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
7. Wheeler did not review this document.
Landscaping Plans
Filename: 2_LANDSCAPE_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2
8. No comments.
Lighting Plan
Filename: 2_LIGHTING_Sonders Vilage_PDP_RD2.pdf
9. Wheeler did not review this document.
Site Plan
Filename: 2_SITE_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
10. Please add locations and types of fences separating the No.8 Canal easement from other
lands.
11. WRCC is still reviewing the easement widths, which Wheeler understands will be
conveyed as a fee simple easement.
Plat Closure
Filename: 3_CLOSURE-PLAT_Sonders Village_PDP_RD1.pdf
12. Wheeler did not review this document.
Monument Descriptions
Filename: 3_MONUMENT_Sonders Village_PDP_RD1.pdf
13. Wheeler did not review this document.
Final Plat for Montava Subdivision Phase D
Filename: 3_PLAT_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
14. Wheeler did not review this document.
Utility Plans
Filename: 4_UTILITY PLANS PT1_Sonders Village_PDP_Rd2.pdf & 4_UTILITY PLANS
PT2_Sonders Village_PDP_Rd2.pdf
15. WRCC has not reached agreement with the Applicant to allow the No. 8 Canal to be
relocated.
16. Please explain what the future Baker lateral by others on Sheet C-020 is. Does this lateral
go over or under the No. 8 Canal?
Kimberly Nelson, WRCC & LWIC
September 5, 2024
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17. Please provide a longitudinal profile of the relocated ditch section.
18. Please provide cross sections of the relocated ditch section and access roads extending
from the existing grade to existing grade. It appears that some sections will have significant
slopes from the access road to the existing grade.
19. Please update the utility plans to show all the relocated ditch sections. Currently, there is
no sheet showing the northeast corner of the relocated ditch. Please include sheets for
grading and drainage for these areas.
20. Please add a sheet to the grading plans showing the No. 8 Canal starting from just north
of Douglas Road to Sheet C-023. It appears that the canal is relocated to the east, but it
is unclear how this relocated canal connects to the existing No. 8 Canal north of Douglas
Road.
21. Assuming the stormwater outfalls are approved, the Companies require that the riprap
outfalls be grouted to the full depth of riprap so that no riprap is exposed. This prevents
debris from accumulating on the exposed riprap.
22. Please provide details on all the stormwater outfalls including elevations of the outfall in
relation to the canal bottom and expected high water line when delivering 250 cfs of
irrigation water.
23. The utility plans show several sanitary sewer crossings and irrigation water line crossings.
The Companies require that all utilities carrying fluids over or under the ditch be encased
in steel casing throughout the ditch right of way (ROW), with cutoff walls at each end. For
12-inch-diameter or smaller, the Companies require a 3/16-inch-thick steel casing pipe a
minimum of six inches larger in diameter than the carrier pipe to allow a minimum of three
inches of clearance around the carrier pipe. The casing pipe should be suitably protected
from failure due to corrosion for a minimum design life of 50 years. The carrier pipe should
be separated from the casing pipe using insulated casing spacers properly dimensioned
and spaced to safely accommodate the utility and prevent shorting of the pipe’s cathodic
protection system. Finally, the casing pipe should have Calpico end seals, or approved
equivalent, with stainless steel straps.
24. All utility lines should be installed a minimum of 5 feet below the bottom of the canal.
Please provide drawings showing each utility crossing profile including the elevation of the
casing pipe, the bottom of the ditch, and the Companies right-of-way.
25. The Companies require seepage cutoff walls be installed at the end of each utility crossing
to prevent piping from the ditch along the utility pipe. Depending on the soil conditions
where the utility crossing is located, a filter collar may be needed to ensure material cannot
erode. Typically reinforced concrete cutoff walls should be installed a minimum of 4 feet
inside the WRCC ROW. The concrete cutoff wall should extend a minimum of 24 inches
above the casing pipe, should be a minimum of 12 inches thick, and all reinforcement
should have a minimum of 4 inches clearance from the pipe or edges of the cutoff wall.
Kimberly Nelson, WRCC & LWIC
September 5, 2024
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Finally, the wall should be keyed a minimum of 6 inches into the natural ground. All backfill
above the cutoff wall should be compacted to at least 95% of maximum standard proctor
density. Please provide a detailed drawing and description of the proposed cutoff wall and
confirmation that a filter collar is not necessary.
26. Please provide details of the proposed drop structures. Please provide access ramps into
the ditch bottom above and below all drop structures to allow equipment to access the
ditch bottom above and below each drop structure.
Preliminary Drainage and Erosion Control Report for Sonders East, August 7, 2024.
Filename: 5_DRAINAGE_Sonders Village_PDP_Rd2.pdf
27. Wheeler understands that there is already a drainage agreement for this property. Please
see the letter from WRCC’s legal counsel for details.
28. Please describe the impact to stormwater inflows to the No. 8 Canal caused by relocating
the ditch. Please provide tabulations of the current rates and volumes for a 2-year and
100-year storm compared to the proposed conditions for the same storms.
Requirements for Utility Plans
Filename: 6_E-4 checklist_Sonders Village_PDP_Rd2.pdf
29. Wheeler did not review this document.
Sonders Village East – Ecological Characterization Study.
Filename: 6_ECS_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
30. Wheeler did not review this document.
Fire Truck Turning Radius Exhibit
Filename: 6_FIRE_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
31. Wheeler did not review this document.
Preliminary Geotechnical Investigation Waters Edge East, October 19, 2018
Filename: 6_GEOTECH_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
32. Does the Applicant plan on constructing foundation drains as recommended in the
geotechnical report? Where will these foundation drains discharge?
Sonders’s Village Traffic Impact Analysis, Revised August 7, 2024.
Filename: 6_TRAFFIC-Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
33. Wheeler did not review this document.
Sonders Village Existing Tree Removal Justification
Filename: 6_TREE REMOVAL_Sonders Village_PDP_RD2.pdf
Kimberly Nelson, WRCC & LWIC
September 5, 2024
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34. Wheeler did not review this document.
Wheeler recommends that the issues above be addressed before the Companies provide any
notice to the City of Fort Collins approving these plans. The issues identified above are based on
the data and documents we have currently available and may change as additional information
becomes available.
Sincerely,
W. W. Wheeler & Associates, Inc.
Hayden Strickland, P.E.
Cc via Email:
Autumn Penfold, WRCC, LWIC
Andy Pineda, WRCC, LWIC
Linda Bower, Lawrence Custer Grasmick Jones & Donovan, LLP
Ryan Donovan, Lawrence Custer Grasmick Jones & Donovan, LLP
File Location: R:\1900\1953-LWIC\09_SondersEast\09-05-24 Wheeler Sonders Comments.docx
APPENDIX A – Meeting Summary – January 30, 2024.
Ecological Resource Consultants, LLC
225 Union Blvd, Suite 325 ~ Lakewood, CO ~ 80228 ~ (303) 679-4820
Technical Memorandum
Date: February 13, 2024
To: John Gouch, Aspen Engineering
From: Hayden Strickland, ERC, LLC
Re: Meeting Summary – January 30, 2024
Introduction
The purpose of this memo is to summarize the discussion points of the meeting between ERC, LLC
(Hayden Strickland) and Aspen Engineering (John Gouch) that took place on January 30, 2024, at Aspen
Engineering’s office in Fort Collins, CO. The topic of the meeting was the Sonders Village and Sonders
Meadow developments that are currently being contemplated. The developments impact the No. 8
Ditch owned and operated by the WRCC, Inc. (WRCC). I offered my viewpoint from the perspective of
trying to move forward on solving issues for WRCC, but I do not have final authority to approve any of
these discussion items. Only WRCC can make those final decisions. Figure 1 shows the approximate
location of the proposed Sonders Village Development.
Summary of Items Discussed
The following is a summary of items discussed.
Fencing – Aspen Engineering agreed to fence off the ditch through the development including gates at
the beginning and end of each access road. They would prefer not to use chain-link fence. WRCC
requires fencing at least 6 feet tall, and it cannot be split rail fencing. However, it doesn’t have to be a
chain link fence.
Trail Along the Ditch – Aspen Engineering agreed there would be no trail along the ditch. This is
acceptable.
Access Roads – Aspen Engineering agreed to provide access roads on each side of the ditch. WRCC
requires all access roads to have a 20-foot width with a maximum cross slope of 3%, a maximum
longitudinal slope of 12:1, a minimum turning radius of 45 feet, and be designed to withstand HS-20
loading. They should be covered with 6 inches of Class 6 material. Aspen Engineering indicated this was
acceptable.
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Figure 1 – Sonders Village Development.
Drop Structures – Current plans include removing the existing drop structure just South of Douglas Road
and instead moving the ditch east of where it currently exists to allow Turnberry road to be expanded.
From Douglas Road to Richards Lake road there is significant elevation loss and Aspen Engineering is
planning on utilizing drop structures ranging from 3-4 feet to 8-10 feet of drop. WRCC would prefer the
ditch to be designed without drop structures, if possible, but realize this is likely not possible in this
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location. WRCC will require access ramps into the ditch to allow access above and below each drop
structure.
Self-Cleaning – WRCC requires the new ditch section to be self-cleaning at flows of 125 cfs. Aspen
Engineering will prepare a document showing the ditch will be self-cleaning at this discharge rate.
Ditch Lining – Aspen Engineering was originally planning to line the new ditch with bentonite. WRCC
prefers ACI-350 concrete to be used for a multitude of reasons, including durability, protection from
groundwater seepage inflows, and maintainability. Aspen Engineering will evaluate lining options and
provide something back to WRCC.
Groundwater Inflows – Aspen Engineering is working to collect groundwater level data throughout the
site to better understand where water levels are in relation to the new ditch section. WRCC requires a
drain under the liner to be installed that conveys the groundwater somewhere besides the ditch. Aspen
Engineering agreed but no details are currently available as liner types are still being evaluated. ERC and
Aspen Engineering discussed how a clay lining may be unstable if groundwater conditions were high,
and thus why ACI-350 concrete may be required. WRCC also requires Aspen Engineering to provide any
data collected on groundwater levels.
Stormwater Discharge – Current law prevents a change to the quantity, quality, rate, or location of
historic stormwater discharge. ERC has not seen a design that meets this requirement when significant
portions of land are developed or an analysis of the amount of historic stormwater quantity, quality,
rate or location. The current design plans rely on detention basins which will detain the 100-year event
and then discharge this volume at historic 2-year storm rates (modeled as approximately 35 cfs to the
No. 8). However, the volume increases due to the development, and the location also changes. There
has been no analysis of water quality associated with the stormwater.
The Colorado Division of Water Resources (DWR) may require ditch companies to release any
stormwater discharged to the ditch back to the nearest natural drainage without any use or storage of
the water. Additionally, the City of Fort Collins requires the ability to shut off discharge from any
stormwater detention ponds should a water quality issue be identified.
WRCC does not accept stormwater discharge to the ditch, unless it remains unchanged from historic
quantity, quality, rate, and location and the amounts are verified by measuring devices. The plans as
proposed do not meet this standard and are not acceptable. If stormwater is to be discharged to the
ditch, it must meet the standard above, and WRCC will require an agreement which may include a
requirement to pay for the cost of discharge structures as required by DWR, should it require the
release of stormwater from the ditch system. Rather than discharge stormwater to the No. 8 ditch, ERC
understands that Aspen Engineering is reviewing potential changes to the current design including but
not limited to:
Retention basin – Stormwater from the site would be retained in ponds and not released. ERC
understands that the City guidelines do not currently allow retention ponds but does not know about
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County guidelines. WRCC will require evaluation of ditch stability and impacts of any potential retention
ponds on canal operations if this option is used in the design.
Recharge to the alluvial aquifer – Aspen Engineering cited a project completed by Lytle Water Solutions,
LLC that infiltrated stormwater into the alluvial aquifer. That project was in a designated basin and was
used to recharge stormwater so that the metro district wouldn’t need an augmentation plan. WRCC is
not opposed to this option but will need documentation showing that the infiltration will not increase
the groundwater seepage into the canal or cause any unstable conditions. This may also affect the type
of lining required.
Flyover and discharge to the east – Finally, we discussed routing the stormwater from this development
into a flyover (or two flyovers) and discharging that water onto the sod farm to the east. It could be
detained there, or it could be detained on the west side of the canal and then released to the east side
via the flyover(s). We both agreed that this seemed like the best method. If this is the method chosen,
Aspen Engineering should also verify there is no increased impact on the Larimer and Weld Canal.
CCR Stormwater Discharge – This is an existing stormwater discharge to the No. 8 entering the canal
just down ditch of Douglas Road. WRCC would prefer this be relocated to not discharge into the No. 8
Ditch; however, Aspen Engineering indicated that the developer had previously signed agreements and
that they would not change the ultimate discharge location. This is acceptable to WRCC, so long as the
discharge does not exceed 10 cfs as described in the stormwater drainage discharge agreement
(Reception No. 20210064975, Larimer County). ERC understands that this discharge point will be moved
to the east to tie into the relocated ditch at Sonders expense. The relocated discharge must not modify
the requirement that the discharge include a headgate or baffle where pond discharges into the pipe to
limit the volume of water to be discharged into the ditch to 10 cfs as described in section 2 of the
stormwater drainage discharge agreement.
Lind Pond Discharge – As with the CCR discharge, this is a currently existing stormwater discharge to the
No. 8 Ditch from Lind Pond 1. WRCC would also prefer this be relocated to not discharge into the ditch,
but understands the Developer is not willing to eliminate this discharge point to the canal. This is
acceptable so long as discharge is verifiably limited to 3 cfs associated with Pond 1. The current plans do
not include discharge from Ponds 2, 3, 4, or 5.
Utilities – WRCC does not allow parallel utilities within the ditch ROW and requires crossing agreements
for any utilities crossing the ditch. The current plans do not include any utility crossings over or under
the ditch. They also do not include any parallel utilities within the ditch ROW. This is acceptable to
WRCC.
Construction details – Aspen Engineering indicated they would start the project by relocating/rebuilding
ditch sections that impact the current ditch alignment, and tie those into the existing ditch section. Then
they would work on the new ditch to the east, and only once that was complete would they turn water
into it. Filling the old ditch section at the end of the project with stockpiled dirt from the excavation of
the new ditch. Specific requirements associated with title of the ROW and seepage agreements were
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also raised in the comment letter submitted to the City of Fort Collins by Lawernce Custer Grasmick
Jones & Donovan, LLP on behalf of WRCC.
Construction Dewatering – WRCC does not allow groundwater associated with construction dewatering
to be discharged to the ditch. Aspen Engineering agreed that wouldn’t pump any groundwater
dewatering during construction into the ditch.
Ditch ROW - The current ROW Aspen Engineering is proposing is 25 feet from the top of the bank. WRCC
may require a wider ditch ROW depending on the final configuration of the modified ditch. This could be
as wide as 75 feet from the top of each bank.
Design Ditch Capacity – ERC and Aspen Engineering talked about the Fort Collins SWMM model and
ICON report that indicated the ditch would be carrying 250 cfs of irrigation plus another 750 cfs of
stormwater under future conditions. We both agreed that the number was confusing.
ERC discussed the capacity required in this section of ditch with WRCC and will require that the ditch can
carry all the following flows with a minimum of 2 feet of freeboard:
250 cfs irrigation releases.
10 cfs discharge from the CCR
3 cfs discharge from Lind Pond 1.
4.5 cfs discharge from Waters Edge West
39 cfs from Wintergreen (Richards Lake)
Current stormwater discharged to the No. 8 Ditch associated with the 100-year storm event for
all locations between Elder Reservoir and the end of the modified canal section (Richards Lake
Road). This includes any water spilled from Elder Reservoir. Aspen Engineering should provide
an analysis of this, supporting the value it uses in its design. The analysis does not need to
include an evaluation of potential stormwater inflows from future development.
Need for Agreement with Ditch Company- Please note that if the above details can be agreed upon,
WRCC will require an executed Agreement to address many issues surrounding the relocation of the
ditch, including how title issues will be handled, increased liability for seepage, how stormwater will
connect and possibly be discharged, trails, fences, gates etc. The approved Plans depicting the above
details could be attached as an exhibit.