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NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING
PROJECT: Fox Grove Overall Development Plan
DATE: May 22, 2013
APPLICANT: Stephanie Sigler of Ripley Design on behalf of Les Kaplan
CITY PLANNER: Jason Holland
NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCES: Sarah Burnett
Comments in RED are additional information provided in response to the neighborhood
comments and questions.
The meeting began with Jason Holland providing a brief explanation of the City development
review process as well as an overview of the neighborhood meeting agenda and ground rules.
Stephanie Sigler, Landscape Architect with Ripley Design presented background information for
the proposed project and the project concept site plan. General details of the site plan were
presented including the overall proposed layout of streets and lots, the location of the one acre
small neighborhood park, and the location of the different housing types planned for the project.
Jason Holland then opened the meeting for questions.
QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS AND RESPONSES:
1. Question: (Citizen) Concern about access only being provided through Carriage
Parkway. How will traffic be handled?
Response: (City) Jason exploring- between city and county. Typically, roads developed
in the county for subdivisions are maintained by the development. If annexed, roads
would need to be brought up to City standards to be considered for maintenance by the
City. City staff and management will need to address this as part of a broader policy
discussion for the area. Staff can meet with representatives from the neighborhood.
Further response: See the attached letters from Les Kaplan and Paul Eckman
It is a publicly dedicated street
The transportation Impact Study concludes that the existing street network has
adequate capacity for the new development
The City of Fort Collins does not plan to annex Clydesdale Park and therefore
will not take on street maintenance.
The City of Fort Collins as made an agreement with the Town of Timnath that
Clydesdale Park will be annexed by Timnath if it is annexed at all
The County intends Carriage Parkway to continue to the south and serve as a
collector street for the future developments based on its current design
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2. Question: (Citizen) Shouldn’t Carriage Parkway maintenance issue be addressed
before the development?
Response: (City) The easement (public access) already exists with Carriage Parkway.
3. Question: (Citizen) Lots back up on the white fence to the South. How close are they?
How many are there? When?
Response: (Sigler) The lots are 112 feet deep, and they will back up to the fence. Hope
to begin as soon as approved.
4. Question: (Citizen) How long will the process take? How long until construction?
Response: (Les Kaplan) Unknown at this time. (City) Typical review process can take 6
months to a year, shorter or longer depending on the project.
5. Question: (Sunflower Resident) What about the multifamily portion, how many units,
how tall?
Response: (Sigler) Within one-quarter mile of I-25; no single family is allowed by the
city. It can be multifamily or industrial, etc. However multifamily was chosen.
Further response: At this time, multi-family is the most likely option. However, at the time
of the Project Development Plan for that phase the use will follow the current rules within
the LMN Zone District.
Response: (Les Kaplan) The final number of multifamily units is not yet determined.
The red area on the plan is for the multifamily and is in the Box Elder floodplain, and
improvements will proceed in the future. (Box Elder Creek floodplain area). Area cannot
be developed until it’s out of the floodplain
Response: (City) The maximum permitted building height on the lots is 2.5 stories, 3
stories for multi-family buildings.
6. Question: (Citizen) When are the Boxelder improvements happening?
Response: (Les Kaplan) I’ve heard maybe 2015, but the date has been changed
multiple times and it’s not certain when public funding will be in place.
Response: (Les Kaplan) Zoning for the LMN requires 4 housing types. One type of
housing could be townhomes, but it cannot be single family within the I-25 one-quarter
mile setback.
7. Question: (Citizen) Do you know who the architect of the houses is? Is the architecture
going to be similar to Clydesdale Park?
Response: (Les Kaplan) We do not know yet.
8. Question: (Citizen) In regards to the wetlands, why would it be built here? Will there be
any environmental studies?
Response: (City) There could be building on the floodplain portion if it’s taken out of the
floodplain with a map amendment. Wetlands would require a buffer, and the City
requires an environmental assessment report when the development is adjacent to a
natural feature such as Boxelder Creek.
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9. Question: (Citizen) How would the development be required to respond to the study? Is
it a “done deal”?
Response: (City) The development proposal will go through multiple rounds of review, in
which various departments will review the plans to make sure the project meets the
buffer standards that are required to protect habitat.
10. Question: (Citizen) Is the single family a “done deal”?
Response: (Les Kaplan) Brochure explains the process.
Response: (City) This meeting is part of the first steps in the process. There will be a
formal staff review, then a public hearing at a Planning and Zoning board meeting. The
P&Z is the decision maker for the project and a notice of the hearing will be mailed out in
the same way as the neighborhood meeting notice, at least two weeks prior to a hearing.
11. Question: (Citizen) What will be done in regards to the traffic that will need to go on
Carriage Parkway?
Response: (Les Kaplan) The City street plan shows Carriage Parkway as a collector.
The primary access will be Carriage Parkway. The secondary access will be for
emergency only through Sunflower. There will be a barricade at the end of street.
12. Question: (Citizen) Are there plans for bike paths along Prospect Road? They now stop
at the Colorado Visitor Center.
Response: (City) I’m not aware of the long term plans for Prospect Road bike path
improvements, but we will find out.
13. Question: (Citizen) Where is the City land (Growth Management Area boundary) near
Timnath?
Response: (City) The GMA boundary is along the east portion of the project and
Clydesdale Park is within the City of Fort Collins GMA on the current map.
14. Question: (Citizen) What is the information about the school land to the south?
Response: (City) PSD owns the land.
15. Question: (Citizen) Is there a buffer between backyards?
Response: (Les Kaplan) Not as currently planned. The lots are deeper than typical.
Further response: A 10’ landscaped buffer has been added along the northern and
eastern boundaries of the project.
16. Comment: (Citizen) Great concern for the Sunflower neighbors. Sunflower sits six feet
higher than surrounding yards. The project needs a buffer zone and green belt to
address this.
Further response: A 10’ landscaped buffer has been added along the northern and
eastern boundaries of the project.
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17. Question: (Citizen) 20 foot easement for the ditch to the east?
Response: (Les Kaplan) If there is an easement there, we will have to adjust. The
project cannot interfere with water transport.
Further response: An easement was not found however a 10’ landscaped buffer has
been added.
18. Question: (Citizen) What is the single family lot width?
Response: (Sigler / Kaplan) Not certain.
Comment: (Citizen) Easement along Sunflower fence would be desirable / proper.
Further response: A 10’ landscaped buffer has been added along the northern and
eastern boundaries of the project.
19. Comment: (Citizen) Likes peacefulness of Clydesdale Park. Concerned about traffic,
use of Clydesdale Park private amenities such as paths, fishing ponds.
Further response: A ½ mile soft surface trail has also been added to the plans. Two lots
have been removed to provide more open space closer to Clydesdale.
20. Question: (Citizen) Can you add some paths, amenities for proposed homes?
Response: (Les Kaplan) Could explore amenities, trails along creek, pocket parks.
Further response: A ½ mile soft surface trail has also been added to the plans. Two lots
have been removed to provide more open space closer to Clydesdale.
21. Comment: (Citizen) Would like to see more green and more buffers.
Response: (Les Kaplan) Stoneridge at Horsetooth and Timberline (as an example) are
at 3 units per acre. The city is density and infill oriented, and revolves around the idea of
“land use efficiency”. We have to meet city standards with 4 units minimum per acre but
still have a desirable development. Clydesdale is developed in county, therefore less
dense.
Response: (Les Kaplan) Would like to be part of the solution for Carriage Parkway
concerns.
22. Question: (Citizen) Clydesdale Public Improvement District (PID) maintains all the
streets. Dirt washes into ponds, so PID cleans street. Concerned about construction
traffic. Would like agreement during construction, so PID does not have to clean or have
expense during construction.
Response: (Les Kaplan) agrees.
Further response: Les Kaplan and Jason Holland met on site the first week in June,
2013 to discuss the possibility of construction traffic using access road from the current
frontage road. It was determined that this was an acceptable route. Construction traffic
will be told to use this road rather than Carriage Parkway.
23. Comment: (Citizen) Need to figure out street issue before approving project.
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Response: (City) Will take feedback to City and work with City management and various
department staff. Solution may involve intergovernmental agreements. Complex problem
with a number of people involved.
24. Comment: (Citizen) Construction phase will be impactful – would like separate
egress/construction entrance. We have had farm traffic impact.
Response: (City) Erosion control plan requirements are extensive and are enforced
during development and can be enforced along Carriage Parkway.
Further response: A separate construction entrance is planned.
25. Comment: (Citizen) Clydesdale pays for roads and 21 acres of common space, and the
second pocket park.
Response: (Les Kaplan) Recognize that this is an issue. This development is not going
to take place on backs of Clydesdale Parkway. Willing to be part of the solution. Problem
is longer term when Clydesdale Parkway goes through to Prospect. You are maintaining
a collector street that will carry 10,000 cars a day.
Comment: (City) A traffic study will be required with the Overall Plan.
Comment: (Les Kaplan) Clydesdale has a capacity for this development because it is
designed as a collector.
Further response: A preliminary traffic memo has been prepared and concluded that the
collector street has adequate capacity for the traffic volumes expected to be generated
by the Fox Grove development.
26. Question: (Citizen) How many units will there be?
Response: (Sigler / Kaplan) 116 lots total. 88 single families, 6 duplexes (12), and 8
alley loaded townhomes (16).
27. Comment: (Sunflower Citizen) Sunflower residents cannot turn left on Mulberry. Have to
go on Carriage Parkway.
28. Question: (Citizen) Has the builder been selected for phase 1? What is the process for
this?
Response: (Les Kaplan) It is too early to know this.
29. Question: (Citizen) What about the architecture?
Response: (City) The City has residential standards: no protruding garages, different
housing models interspersed. A more detailed plan will be submitted to City later. May
be another neighborhood meeting for the detailed plan (for the multifamily portion of
Overall Plan). No neighborhood meeting for single family portion or individual homes, but
evaluated according to code standards at time of building permit. (Note that Jason
Holland mentioned that there would be another neighborhood meeting required for the
project. To clarify, the single-family / two-family portion of the Overall Plan would not
require an additional neighborhood meeting. An additional neighborhood meeting is
required for the multi-family portion of the project if more than 50 units are proposed).
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30. Question: (Citizen) Could the greenbelt on the south be moved to the north to serve as
a buffer to Sunflower?
Response: (Les Kaplan) There is a stormwater and utility easement on the south,
therefore it cannot be shifted.
Further response: A 10’ wide buffer has been added
31. Question: (Citizen) When and how do we hear back from the city?
Response: (City) Access the minutes from tonight, next step.
32. Question: (Citizen) When do we hear how the city will address issues raised?
Response: (City) Once application is submitted, staff will evaluate according to the land
use code. It is up to the applicant to consider the issues raised.
Response: (Les Kaplan) Maintenance of the street is done by the property owners and
it shouldn’t be. Before submitting a project, the city needs to address the street
maintenance issue. There needs to be something from the city to address this. He would
like to help work it out.
Response: (City) Just to clarify, some comments and concerns are related to the
Carriage Parkway issue and some are related to the proposed site plan.
33. Question: (Citizen) will Jason Holland commit to meeting with developer, PID, and city
staff?
Response: (City) Yes, will set up meetings to discuss the issue.
Further response: The meetings between City staff and the developer have taken place
and the findings are described in the attached letter from Mr. Eckman.
34. Question: (Citizen) Can city have a role without annexing?
Response: (City) Would involve discussion with City management and City attorney
would have to help determine this.
35. Comment: (Citizen) Green space, ponds, walking trails; the Clydesdale Park neighbors
use now, but concerned about lots of people using them and HOA maintains it.
Response: (Sigler) have to meet the 4 unit per acre minimum. Can get more open
space by increasing duplexes and multifamily. Must make the tradeoffs.
Further response: A ½ mile soft surface trail has also been added to the plans. Two lots
have been removed to provide more open space closer to Clydesdale.
36. Question: (Citizen) Could you ask for exemption in density?
Response: (City) Applicant can propose through a modification request.
37. Question: (Citizen) Was it not decided between Timnath and Fort Collins that anything
East of I-25 would be annexed into Timnath?
Response: (City) Will research and consider this.
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Further response: An agreement is in place that Clydesdale Park would be annexed into
Timnath if at all.
38. Question: (Citizen) Could city provide temporary construction access for short term? Is
it feasible?
Response: (City) The city is limited in what it can require. This would need to be
addressed as a private matter between adjacent property owners.
Response: (Les Kaplan) Can explore with city what it would take to improve Farmers
road to the east for construction access and what is the city policy on Carriage Parkway.
Comment: (Citizen) this construction access would solve a lot of residents’ concerns.
Further response: The construction access will be from the frontage road and not
through Clydesdale Park.
39. Question: (Citizen) Why can’t the city put a road to the South (Prospect)
Response: (City) City policy. Developers pay their way. Developers also pay to street
oversizing fee for improvements to existing roads and larger projects.
40. Question: (Citizen) When is the next meeting?
Response: (City) This will need to be determined.
41. Comment: Appreciate chance for input. Similar lot size as Sunflower. Seems like patio
homes. Don’t see many parking spaces.
Response: (City) All streets will have on street parking. Also there are code
requirements for how houses are configured on lots; 20 feet setback is required from
back of sidewalk to garage to enable parking in front of garage, off street. 5 foot side
setback minimum, 8 foot rear setback minimum.
42. Question: (Citizen) What will houses sell for?
Response: (Les Kaplan) Hard to predict, depends on finish.