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participation is viable to the process and suggested awareness of the LDGS to guide the
objections to PUDs-presented to the Board. The Board is very interested in citizen input.
The motion carried 7-0.
ARAPAHOE FARM TOWNHOMES PUD - PRELIMINARY, #55-87G
Ted Shepard, project planner, gave the staff report recommending approval with Staff
conditions.
Eldon Ward - Cityscape Urban Design the consultant represented the applicant, James Company.
The proposed project is supported by the Land Use Policies Plan with the criteria in the LDGS
and is consistent with recent discussion and decisions by the Board has made a mix of housing
types in residential areas. He discussed the density, mix, location, the 7-units per acre and
presented slides. There have been two neighborhood meetings where the issue of neighborhood
compatibility was discussed. The architecture has. many elements in common with the
neighborhood. He gave several examples giving detail to the placement of the garages and other
design elements. He illustrated compatibility of townhomes with single-family neighborhoods.
Mr. Ward addressed roof materials of shake shingle or similar uses which is compatible with
the neighborhood. There is an upgrade of asphalt that create shadow lines and appear natural.
He stated that he has met with the Poudre Fire Authority and addressed their comments against
wood shingles. He stated that cost is a factor, but the safety is an issue and cedar is a limited
resource. Both roof materials are found in the immediate neighborhood. The Woodridge
Development is using similar roofing to what is proposed. The insurance companies are
becoming increasing restrictive to insure multi -family projects with wood shingles.
Mr. Ward responded to neighborhood concerns of placement of garages and lowering the density
of units. There are now 72 units proposed. Units closest to Regency Park were changed from
6 to 5 units to decrease the scale. He clarified the Woodridge traffic study concerning traffic
flows in and out of the project site. The traffic studies will be completed in the current phase
at Woodridge. The Taft Hill connection will be made this spring. He stated that Hillburn Drive
is proposed to remove the existing street. He is not aware of another example where that has
been required of an adjacent property developer. He would like to keep the street as currently
constructed and accepted for maintenance for the City of Fort Collins. He requested direction
from the Board to treat the applicant according to the same rules that other projects have been.
Mr. Ward addressed staff conditions. The area between the townhomes and Regency Park have
been the focus of most of the discussion and the applicant is in agreement to Staff conditions 2,
3 and 4. The first condition is to increase a setback. The minimum setback is over 46-1/2 feet
at one building and 47 feet at the other. With the angle of the building, the average is 70 feet
across the face to the adjacent property. He stated that extensive berming and landscaping has
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time, consideration of planning for a 20 year phase project, not only for the benefit to the church
and for the neighbors adjoining the property affected. The master plan includes a sanctuary for
3,000 people. This is what was envisioned for this site. He was unsure if the sanctuary would
be for 3,000 people but would like to reserve the right that it could be. The tower could be 105
feet high, established in the drawings in 1979. With regard to some comments about the tower,
the Church would be happy to meet with the neighbors when the time comes. He stated that the
applicant understands the concerns of the neighborhood. He mentioned the considerable buffer
between the tower and adjoining residences. The benefit of soccer and baseball fields that are
there takes away the intrusion.
Mr. Olt said there will be a public meeting for residents to discuss the phases and come back
to the Board for approval. The overall master plan preliminary in 1979 has been approved, but
the ability for vested right to construct any additional phases would have to come back to the
Board. At that time the design of the structure associated with that phase would be evaluated.
Chair Clements suggested that the individuals who addressed the Board get together with the
applicant to address concerns. An active involvement early in the process might help create
positive outcomes.
Chair Clements asked about the driveway being a safety issue. She pointed out that the Board
is very educated regarding the site plans and the slide was not omitted purposely. She asked
Staff to address any issues concerning this.
Mr. Olt said there was not much detail but at the present time, all the parking exists at the south
of the church off of Lemay, with the opposite entry point to Scotch Pines Shopping Center, and
continues south of the church, turns 90 degrees and proceeds due north to east Drake Road. It
was his understanding that the driveway would tie into Drake Road.
Member Klataske moved for approval of the First Christian Church PUD Phase 1V
Preliminary and Final.
Member Winfree seconded the motion.
Member Strom commented that the motion does not include the enlarged sanctuary or a tower
or a driveway at this point. He encouraged those with concerns to contact the church early
rather than. later to which Mr. Glaser was agreeable. There will be other hearings to discuss
those issues.
Member Winfree agreed with Member Strom and stated the concern of the neighborhood input
stating it is ineffective for them to participate and that it is a "done deal." She further said the
Board has a set of criteria to weigh decisions against those that are evaluated. Citizen
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incorporating specific design criteria, with the connecting point to the future sanctuary. He
showed the administration and classroom wing. He stated similar construction materials are
being used and would be compatible.
CITIZEN INPUT
Dan Grider - 2707 Brookwood Dr. - represented a group of homeowners in the area and stated
his concern were with the plans of the First Christian Church to build a tower in a future phase
of construction.. This tower is not in keeping with the surrounding community. He requested
to meet with the church administration to discuss it further. The homeowners plan to make
concerns known again at the time the formal request is made by the church to construct such a
tower.
Andy Cornedi - 2812 Fairbrook Ct. - He has been a resident in the Eastborough area for the past
12 years. The plans that were submitted in 1979 did not show the future buildings close to the
property line. He mentioned evening meals in the summertime in his backyard would
significantly be interrupted by the structures proposed, especially a 103 foot tower. He
requested to work with the church body concerning future plans to ensure neighborhood
compatibility. There were no other houses on his cul-de-sac until 1983-1984.
Fran Ward - 1024 Oxford Lane #45 - . She read a statement asking why these public hearings
concerning the future building plans of the First Christian Church continue being held. The first
time she heard of these plans was July 7, 1993 meeting. This was held in the church building.
At that time, the neighborhood understood, regardless of the feelings of the residents, the deed
was done, no amount of objection could sway the powers that.be. In 1979,. she was aware that
Drake Road and Lemay were virtually non-existent. The landowners at that time didn't object
to plans, the owners were farmers or realtors. She wondered if the omission of the overall plan
slide was deliberate because the 103-foot tower, when presented, was a "done deal" with
permission to exceed the normal height in 1979. She believed it was 70 feet from Lemay and
found the idea objectionable.
Vicki Kirchner - 2606 Dorado Ct. - She agreed with previous comments made concerning the
tower by. She had a concern regarding the safety of the driveway. It is increasingly busy on
a curve and an added driveway would pose more safety considerations.
C=EN.INPUT CLOSED
Chair Clements asked for clarification on the issue of the tower.
Mr. Glaser stated, on behalf of the Church, that they would be glad to meet with the neighbors.
He said they have established a good neighbor policy from the onset of this project and went
beyond what was required in terms of the master planning. He detailed the amount of energy,
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Member Walker said he could not support the motion because he believed that a statement
should be included regarding the awnings. He thinks it is a corporate identity, an architectural
consideration and that there should be a better blend between the two buildings on the site since
they are trying to create a sense of unity in the center.
Member Strom moved to amendment the motion to the effect that the awning on the
chicken building pattern be toned down, not necessarily that the colors be the same as the
Blockbuster, that the pattern and contrast be toned down on the awning.
Member Cottier said that was acceptable.
Member Fontane said that was acceptable as a second.
Motion carried 7-0.
FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH PUD, PHASE IV - PRELEWNARY AND FINAL. #51-93.
Steve Olt, project planner, gave the staff report recommending approval.
Member Strom asked for clarification for a driveway on the east boundary.
Mr. Olt said the applicant will address the issue. The site plan does not show a driveway at this
time but they were in previous plans. It has been eliminated. There is now an open area for
recreational uses and a detention area in the southeast corner of the property.
The recorded plan does not show a driveway along these property lines (referring to a map).
Mr. Carl Glaser - Glaser Associates Architects, representing First Christian Church - He stated
there is a proposed driveway included in the master plan that was submitted and approved in
1979. The implementation of that driveway would coincide with the further expansion of the
church sanctuary. That is not for discussion at this time. The next phase that would follow
Phase IV would be a sanctuary to seat 3,000 people. That was the design, whether it would
fulfill that size, would have to be determined at the time of the development. With the
construction of the sanctuary, the applicant would have to expand the seating and the parking
capacity of the site. With the expansion of the parking lot, there would have to be additional
egress and that would be the point the property on the east line would be implemented. When
this project was originally discussed and approved in 1979. There was a considerable amount
of discussion about that driveway and design submittals showed how it would be buffered from
adjoining residences and was approved.
Mr. Glaser commented on the staff report presentation by stating that (1) the administration wing
will be to the north in location. Recently Phase III has been completed and he described in
detail the design of the building; (2) He presented slides of the two parts of Phase IV,
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD
MEETING MINUTES
December 13, 1993
Gerry Horak, Council Liaison
Sherry. Albertson -Clark, Staff Support Liaison
The December 13, 1993, meeting of the Planning and Zornng Board was called to order at 6:30
p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall West, 300 Laporte Avenue, Fort Collins, Colorado.
Board members present included Chairperson Rene' Clements, Jan Cottier, Jennifer Fontane,
James Klataske, Bernie Strom, Lloyd Walker, and Sharon Winfree. Staff members present
included Chief Planner Sherry Albertson -Clark, Steve Olt, Ted Shepard, Mike Herzig, and
Carolyn Worden.
AGENDA REVIEW
Ms. Sherry Albertson -Clark reviewed the consent agenda for the meeting which consisted of:
Item 1 - Minutes of the October 25, November 1, and November 15, 1993, Planning and
Zoning meetings; Item 2 - South Glen PUD, 4th Filing - Preliminary, #110-79J; Item 3 -
Evangelical Covenant Church PUD, Phase 2 - Preliminary & Final, #9-85C; Item 4 - Rose
Tree Village @ Cunningham Corners PUD - Final, #4-83P; Item 5 - The Market at
Horsetooth Commons, Lot 1, Amended Preliminary and Final PUD, #58-91D; Item 6 - Four
Seasons PUD, 9th Filing - Preliminary, #112-79P; Item 7 - CAT PUD, 16th Filing, Cinema
Savers - Final, #53-5AG; Item 8 - Matterhorn PUD, Final, #49-93A; Item 10 - Modification
of Conditions of Final Approval; Item 11 - First Christian Church PUD, Phase IV -
Preliminary and Final, #51-93; Item 12 - Housekeeping Changes to Sections 29-304 and 29-
342 of the City Code, #77-93.
Ms. Clark reviewed the Discussion Agenda which included: Item 13 -Arapahoe Farm
Townhomes PUD - Preliminary, #55-87G; Item 16 - Huntington Hills PUD, 3rd Filing -
Preliminary - #11-81I; Item 18 - Spring Creek Village PUD - Amended Preliminary, #2-
87M.
Chair Clements requested that Item 8 be pulled from the Consent Agenda to the Discussion
Agenda, there was a request of the audience to pull Item 5, and Item 11.
Member Strom moved to approve Consent Agenda Items except Items 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9,
10 and 12. Member Cottier seconded the motion. Motion passed 7-0.
THE MARKET AT HORSETOOTH COMMONS, LOT 1. AMENDED PRELIMINARY
AND FINAL PUD. #58-91D.
Ted Shepard, Project Planner, gave the staff report stating that the required minimum of Criteria
points was achieved and Staff was recommending approval.
Chair Clements questioned the car wash component to the Circle K convenience store. The
company has a vested right to build the Circle K as it stands.