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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSPRADLEY BARR DEALERSHIP PRELIMINARY PUD FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING - 64 93B - MINUTES/NOTES - CORRESPONDENCE-NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGceive Correct NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING rit n°N* R fIcation Address. of this meeting? Name Address Zip Yes No Yes No NEIGHBORHOOD INr"ORMATION MEETIlVu id Yu Receive Ditty °No iQcationAddress. of this meeting? Correct Name Address Zip yes No Yes No �4.�fr�d �osyc�hu� .5�0�� �o �, a-,•�� Cosa t� � �C ' 130 r L iFN� / Z!s' i�IIc✓rif L 40--t s SZz./ �AzkjC'z L' 26 3 1'Z 14 4App `6 0Sla, S R-A #J D S o 1I6Z t1-E- kRtlSL 474-0 72 r /I LZ !i L/)" VC '�•i'l�/C� 'i�S2� ✓ rig, ]z� Pa 0as-zl' �— V)0(� Vdn ` elso►l V6 ?adkwc Ci,,,ie iVo4A E3USzS X. nr\e 6 K, d sa �( ►' 5ZI7 x X /G F L/ /O �a • a l�vgj A e. 9 d J-Z j S14%� Nov d o X X A(c �Se_ �H J'OvTH CQGLEGc five. NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING Name Address Zip A EMISSION 0111110101 I MEMO IIMMOEN MIN 9- "w11111lllllllllllrl' MEMO P. , , - . , =MEN 11111,111t i,aU leg 11, ©.EM 111101001 11110011 -�10 DIEMEN 1011010110 _MISMINS _ -1110111111 ' i i . ►Wto �.��I MONS n 46. Spradley-Barr should locate south of Kentucky Fried Chicken on South College Avenue, not here at the R.E.A. site. Further north would be more in line with the other dealerships. 47. Our neighborhoods were here ratchet up the overall intensity further re -development and have a undesirable and does not respect existing residential areas. first. A car dealership will of the area. This will lead to spiral effect. This proposal is the quality and character of the 37. What about security issues? Will there be vandalism on the car lot? Will the cars act as an attraction to vandals who may spill over into our neighborhoods? RESPONSE: We have experienced very little vandalism at our present facility. We have had one car stolen in four years. 38. I come from a community where these car dealerships were located in an auto mall, away from residential areas. Why can't this facility be located in an auto mall? RESPONSE: At this time, there is no auto mall in Fort Collins. Such a mall would require a large amount of land. There is no mall to relocate to. 39. What will be the test drive route? Will drivers be tempted to drive through our neighborhoods? RESPONSE: Generally, the test drive takes place on the main roads. 40. Fairway Estates is very concerned about lighting. We have worked successfully with Pace Warehouse and the City of Fort Collins Light and Power Department to reduce the lighting impacts on our neighborhood. The project looks like it is too intense and that the lighting issue hasnot be resolved. Keep in mind that your onsite lighting and the City's street lighting will be combined to have a cumulative effect on our residential area. The applicants are encouraged to use Pace Warehouse as an example of suitable lighting levels. 41. Will there be. emission testing? RESPONSE: Yes, there will be emission testing in the service area. 42. The project lacks creativity, it looks boring, typical, ugly. Why can't Spradley-Barr be more imaginative? Why can't more of the green space be saved? This dealership should dare to be different and be on the cutting edge of design. There does not appear to be anything aesthetic about the design. 43. It is my feeling that R.E.A. is a good neighbor and appropriate to be so close to a residential area. The car dealership does not appear to be'a good neighbor and will have a negative impact on our neighborhood. 44. If you want to fit into our neighborhood, please'use Woodward Governor as an example. That site should be emulated because it enhances the neighborhood, not detract from it. 45. The conversion from R.E.A. to Spradley-Barr is a great leap in intensity. The scale of the proposed use is radically different from the existing use. Something like the State Farm Office is appropriate for our area, not a car dealership. 30. What's wrong with Drake and College? RESPONSE: Spradley-Barr does not own that parcel, we only lease. The new site would be three acres larger and we would be the owners. 31. Do you have underground oil or gas tanks on Drake and do you plan on having them at R.E.A.? RESPONSE: Yes, we presently have underground tanks on Drake. Presently, R.E.A. has underground tanks. These tanks will be removed by R.E.A. as a condition of sale. 32. I am concerned about the special vehicle display areas. What exactly are these? RESPONSE: These will be concrete pads or ramps that provide a prominent display: 33. Spradley-Barr is encouraged to leave as much grass area as possible and not: encroach into the landscaping with vehicle display. A car dealership in this location should be exemplary, not typical. As car dealers in our neighborhood, you are encouraged to be innovative and do to something that is outstanding that the neighborhood can be proud of. 34. Spradley-Barr' should be held to the same standard as in the Harmony Corridor. There should be an 80 landscape buffer between College Avenue and the vehicle display parking lot. The commercial aspect must attempt to reduce the impact on the residential neighborhood to the east. The site should be attractive, not an eyesore. Lighting is off particular concern and should be as far back to the west as possible so as not to intrude upon Fairway Estates. 35. The City's Stormwater Utility should be aware that Mail Creek and Fossil Creek are eroding. Upstream development has degraded the water quality. The proposed parking lot will only make the situation worse. 36. I would like to talk about lighting. In general, car dealerships have an excessive amount of light. This lighting is intrusive. RESPONSE: Car dealerships have unique lighting demands because of the need for security because of the outdoor display of inventory. 37. What about signage? Are we going to get a bright yellow illuminated awning that stretches around the entire building? I find the awning at the Drake facility to be offensive, and it would be inappropriate given the proximity to Fairway Estates. RESPONSE: We have not made signage plans at this time. the south and the retailers on the east side of College, it seems like a natural progression for this site to become part of the retail that is already in the area. 21. Have other buyers expressed interest in purchasing the site? RESPONSE: Yes, the site was considered by the U.S. Postal Service, Poudre R-1, the City, the County, and Federal agencies. 22., What is the current zoning in the County? RESPONSE: Currently, the first 300 feet along College Avenue is zoned Business, and the balance is zoned Commercial. 23. Can you develop in the County? RESPONSE: No, because of the intergovernmental agreement between the City and County, any redevelopment of the property triggers annexation into the City. 24. The dealership will result in a big jump in traffic. This will cause gridlock at the Harmony/College intersection. This additional traffic will make the area streets very dangerous. 25. What are your plans for this meeting room? RESPONSE: Spradley-Barr will keep this room as is and continue to make it available for community meetings. 26. I would prefer this site re -develop as something less intense. It would be a great location for the southside branch library that City Council is talking about. RESPONSE: The City has not expressed an interest in this property for a library. The southside branch library is envisioned to be a "storefront" until a more permanent solution is found. 27. The drainage in the area is already undersized. Fossil Creek Parkway floods during a five-year storm. For those of us who live south of Fossil Creek Parkway, the waters block access to our homes. The increase of such a large hard surface 'area that is upstream of our neighborhood has serious potential of causing severe flooding downstream. We are very concerned. RESPONSE: The applicants will work with the City's Stormwater Utility to design a system that does not make the situation any worse. 28. Do you have plans to buy the nursery to expand?, RESPONSE: No, we have no plans to buy the nursery. 29. I am concerned about the loss of green area. This loss will have a negative effect on air quality. 12. What about lighting? The lighting at Pederson Toyota is down directed but the lighting at Tynan's Nissan is atrocious and intrusive. RESPONSE:, As part of the P.U.D. process, the lighting scheme will be submitted for review. We plan on doing down directional lighting also. 13. What about outdoor loudspeakers? RESPONSE: We do not plan on having outdoor loudspeakers. For example, we can use pagers instead of speakers. 14. Will you have a large American flag as a display? RESPONSE: No. 15. Its a shame there has to be a loss of green area'out in front of the building. This large green area is one of the most attractive open space areas along South College Avenue. How much loss of green area will there be? RESPONSE: We are not exactly sure yet. At minimum, we plan on leaving approximately 10% of the total area as landscaped area. 16. What is the depth of the landscape strip along College? RESPONSE: This will vary. We are showing approximately 16 feet of depth in the middle and 35 feet on the ends. 17. Will you park vehicles for display on the grass? RESPONSE: We plan on displaying vehicles on the parking lot surface or in designated special vehicle display areas. 18. Neighborhood compatibility is a big issue. Our neighborhood has endured some large developments which we feel are not compatible. This project will be the closest car dealership in the City to an existing neighborhood. My feeling is this proposal is not compatible with our neighborhood. 19. If left turns exiting the site are not allowed, drivers will turn right, go south on College and turn left on Fairway Lane to get back to the north. This will impact Fairway Estates. We do not want our neighborhood to become a cut -through. Our streets are not equipped to handle this kind of traffic. This traffic will disturb our peace and quiet. RESPONSE: The traffic study will address this issue. 20. Has R.E.A. considered uses that are not as intense? RESPONSE: R.E.A. feels that this property is part of the South College Avenue retail strip. With Walmart to the north, Webergs to 5. As residents'of Fairway Estates, we are very much opposed to this proposal. A car dealership will add a large volume of traffic to a stretch of South College Avenue that is very dangerous. We have a very difficult time make'a left turn onto College Avenue from our neighborhood. Cars are traveling from Fort Collins to Loveland and are getting up a full head of steam, plus they are going down a large hill. This proposal will only make the situation worse. 6. What are the plans for drainage? RESPONSE: At this preliminary stage, it is likely that stormwater will be detained in the large vehicle display parking lot. 7. We are very concerned about stormwater being detained in vehicle parking lot. our neighborhoods are downstream of this site. Storm flows will find their way into Mail Creek and Fossil Creek. This runoff must be filtered and treated in order to preserve the water quality of these two streams. There is a strong concern that runoff will be contaminated by oil and gas and thus ruin our water quality. RESPONSE: At this stage, nothing has been designed yet. The applicants are willing to work with the Stormwater Utility to do the necessary filtration according to current City policies. 8. To expand on that point, there is a difference between water filtration and water treatment: If you just do filtration, you might not get to the oil and gas. Treatment may have to be looked at in order to preserve water quality. RESPONSE: Again, we have not begun to explore these issues but will work with the City to address the concerns. 9. For background purposes, the applicant should know that the present site of Arbor Plaza (Walmart) used to be Mail' Creek, which also goes through two ponds in Fairway Estates. After development, we have had nothing but problems with water quality and runoff from this upstream shopping center. We do not want to be impacted by another large asphalt surface that degrades our streams. These water features are a major amenity in our neighborhoods. 10. Will you be required to design for the 100-year storm? RESPONSE: Yes, that is a requirement from the Stormwater Utility. 11. The Harmony/College intersection seems like the busiest intersection in town. Adding more traffic to this intersection will be dangerous. RESPONSE: A traffic impact analysis will be required to be submitted for review to the City Is Transportation Department. This study will look at the impacts to this intersection. NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING MINUTES PROJECT: Spradley-Barr Auto Dealership at R.E.A. APPLICANT: Chris Spradley - Spradley Barr Ron Carry - Poudre Valley R.E.A. CONSULTANT: Terrence Hoagland, Cityscape Urban Design PLANNER: Ted Shepard, Senior City Planner DATE: OGT*SEA Jo, 14g3 The meeting began with an explanation by Mr. Carry, Poudre Valley R.E.A., that the property is currently located outside the Fort Collins municipal boundary and redevelopment will trigger annexation into the City. The proposal to convert the nine acre property to an auto dealership will be processed as a planned unit development. The proposal includes auto sales, outdoor vehicle display, service, carwash, and office. QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS 1.' Will there be a frontage road along College Avenue? RESPONSE: No, there will be no frontage road. The South College Avenue Access Control Plan dictates that there will be only one access point onto College Avenue. As a result, the northerly driveway entrance will be closed. The southerly driveway will become the primary access to be shared by the adjacent parcel to the south. This access will connect to a north -south street that is designed to connect south to Webergs and eventually south to the Fossil Creek Parkway alignment. This north -south street will not be a frontage road since it will be located west of College, internal to the site. 2. How will customers exiting the site turn left on College Avenue? Traffic is already very heavy along that stretch and traveling at a high rate of speed. RESPONSE: According to the South College Avenue Access Control Plan, left turns exiting the site will not be allowed. Left turns will be allowed onto the property but -not off the property. 3. Will a median be built in College to control these lefts? RESPONSE: No, a median is not proposed at this time. 4. Will delivery trucks block traffic on College Avenue? RESPONSE: No, there will be a service access from the north, through Arbor Plaza (Walmart) for the large delivery trucks.