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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSPRADLEY BARR DEALERSHIP PRELIMINARY PUD SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING - 64 93B - MINUTES/NOTES - CORRESPONDENCE-NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGel / • _ — - n w - a . �� a C' -A qLA^- F1CC ///V6 — -3iJK VLt 7 — 0Prl-r. ry 1 1% •. -". IN fORMATION MEETII. Git Nor /8 /p3 Did Receive Notification of this meeting? Address? Name Address Zip Yes No Yes No "64& C, j j I lu ���y oC tf 7-X-�L f�LSG = �'TENORNCE - �LDON uA.�o TT- ! TOE %,cYE Onl C kel.r Soenv�ry SILL. BA,« t 26. The colored drawings look great but I doubt that the actual development will meet the expectations of the drawings. 27. How long has R.E.A. been marketing the project? RESPONSE: About two years. 6 RESPONSE: Yes, the developers are working with the Stormwater Utility to implement a water quality control measure to mitigate the possibility of discharge of petroleum hydrocarbons into the environment. The primary focus of this would be to build a structural control that prevents the passage of oil off -site and ease spill cleanup should an event occur. Another -part of the system would be to build in operational practices such as storage of cars with fluid leaks in a special area that will contain spills. The developers will work with Stormwater to implement the best management practice. 20. What about runoff during construction? RESPONSE: The developer is required to submit an erosion control plan to prevent problems during construction. 21. What about runoff from the carwash? RESPONSE: This runoff is captured and entered into the sanitary sewer system, not the storm system. The carwash will be required to be equipped with a sand trap. 22. When will we know the details of the stormwater filtration system? All we are discussing at this point is generalities and concepts. RESPONSE: The system must be designed by the consultant, reviewed by the City, and granted final approval prior to beginning. construction. As this system is being designed, information is always available to the public. ° 23. I am skeptical of.any filtration system. Such measures are good, at collecting solids but not liquids. RESPONSE: This is a good comment. The system must be the best management practice and include operational and management measures that are designed to prevent incidents from occurring. 24. Presently, the R.E.A. site is a very nice looking property. Why can't Spradley Barr leave the front as is and put the cars in the rear? RESPONSE: For a car dealership, the display vehicles must have some visibility from the street. We are trying to balance a well landscaped lot with the ability to display vehicles in a sensitive fashion. 25. It looks like too many cars. The site looks crowded. 5 The new areas on the eastern portion of the site will drain to a low spot adjacent to College Avenue where there is an existing 18 inch diameter pipe which carries storm flows under College Avenue. The size of this pipe (18 inches) and will not be .enlarged. Therefore, the volume of water released cannot be increased beyond the carrying capacity of the pipe. As the site drains, water will be stored in a detention pond. The flows will be released into the 18 inch pipe at a rate that cannot exceed the capacity of the pipe. This release rate will then be the same as the historic release rate from the property. The difference between the historic runoff and the new runoff will be temporarily stored on the property in a detention pond. 15. So the car dealership can't release more water into the storm system? RESPONSE: There will be more water because of the increase in the impervious surface, however, the release rate is controlled. The larger amounts of water will be detained and released over a longer duration at a rate that cannot exceed the historic release rate. 16. So that just means our area downstream will be flooded for a longer period of time instead of a shorter period of time. RESPONSE: If the downstream drainage facilities cannot handle the existing runoff, then these are present conditions that must be remedied. The City's Stormwater Utility will require that downstream facilities have the carrying capacity for the storm flows to reach the ultimate outfall, Fossil Creek. 17. What about other possible developments upstream? RESPONSE: All sites that come in for development or re -development are required by the City's Stormwater Utility to detain developed flows so that the release rate does not exceed historic conditions. This places the burden on the developing property to not impact downstream properties.. 18. How do drainage facilities get built? RESPONSE: The Stormwater Utility collects development fees in each drainage basin. These fees are based on a master drainage study that determines the magnitude of necessary future improvements required to handle storm runoff under fully developed conditions. These fees vary from basin to basin. This site is located in the Fossil Creek Basin. 19. What about the quality of the stormwater? With all those cars and asphalt paving, the quality of the runoff is an issue. Are the developers preparing a filtration system to protect Fossil Creek. 4 the vehicle display area, lights will be pole -mounted, and feature sharp cut-off lamps so that illumination is directed downwards, not outwards. This is similar to Pace Warehouse. As you know, there are a large quantity of light poles on the perimeter at Pace due to the low height of the fixture. This looks very busy. We are looking at using taller poles to reduce the quantity to improve overall appearance. 10. Will the dealership turn off the lights at a certain time? RESPONSE: Yes, at our present facility, we turn off the lights at midnight. 11. I'm concerned about the reliance on trees to mitigate the large paved areas for the sales lot. Trees take time to'grow and lose their leaves for four to five months of the year. RESPONSE: This is a good comment. The landscape plan also indicates shrubs and small berms to help shield the fronts of the cars. 12. What is the zoning on the property now? RESPONSE: The property is presently in the County. The front parrt of the property is zoned Business and the back is zoned Commercial: A car dealership is not allowed in the Business zone but is allowed in the Commercial zone. Obviously, a car dealership needs to take .. advantage of exposure so the zoning on the property doesn't work in the County. J 13. Spradley Barr does not have a very attractive site at Drake and College. Are we to expect the same treatment at this location? RESPONSE: The R.E.A. site is three acres larger and would allow the service bays to be hidden from public view. We agree that there are some problems with the Drake/College site which we lease and do not own. The R.E.A. site would be under our ownership. The P & Z Board will review the P.U.D. at the R.E.A. site whereas the Drake and College site was developed as a use by right before the H-B zone was adopted on South College., 14. What about storm drainage? RESPONSE: Janelle Ohms, RBD Engineering explained that the site is divided between what is existing and what is proposed. For the areas that are existing, there will be very little change to the historic situation. For the new area, however, there will be a loss of green area and an increase in impervious surface. This will trigger a Drainage Report and Drainage and Grading Plan. 3 RESPONSE: It is anticipated that test drivers will take Highway 287 south to Loveland, turn around, and head back to the dealership. The highway is the attractive route so drivers can attain high speeds. 3. As development increases on South College Avenue, it will become increasingly difficult to make a left turn exit off the property. RESPONSE: This is true. The long range solution is for the local street access to loop south to Webergs, then east to a future signal at Fairway Lane and South College. The signalized intersection will allow drivers to go north on College. 4. When will this signal be installed? RESPONSE: We are not sure exactly. Signals are usually installed when "traffic warrants" are met. The Fairway/College signal is pre -approve by the South College Access Control Plan: 5. Can Fairway Estates install speed bumps on our local streets to discourage traffic? RESPONSE: If your streets are private, yes, you can install speed bumps, speed humps, traffic circles, stop signs, etc. 6. We are concerned that drivers will want to avoid the College and Harmony intersection and cut through our neighborhood. RESPONSE: Cutting through Fairway Estates will take longer than going through the intersection. 7. What about the access in the rear through the Walmart loading area? RESPONSE: This access will be controlled by a gate. It will be for service employees only and for the transport truck that delivers new vehicles. This route is not intended for the general public. 8. Do car dealerships generate less traffic than traditional retail? RESPONSE: Yes, considerably less. 9. How can we limit lighting? RESPONSE: Joe Frye, architect, has indicated that, on a preliminary basis, that the front row of lighting will be bollards, not poles. Bollards will be like the lighting in front of Foothills Chrysler which are about three to four feet tall. This will lower light levels on the eastern edge of the property. Within the interior of 2 SECOND ME MEETING MINUTES PROJECT: Spradley Barr Dealership at R.E.A. DATE: November 18, 1993 APPLICANTS: Kriss Spradley and Bill Barr CONSULTANTS: Eldon Ward, Cityscape Urban Design Matt Delich, P.E. Janelle Ohms, P.E., RBD Engineering Joe Frye, Vaught -Frye Architects CITY PLANNER: Ted Shepard The meeting began with a description by Eldon Ward on *-he extent of the changes made to the plan since the last neighborhood meeting. Matt Delich then described the results of the traffic study. These results are summarized as follows: * The proposed project is estimated to generate 99 morning peak hour trips, 131 afternoon peak hour trips, and 2,400 daily trips. It is further estimated that new dealership will generate about 30 to 60 percent more traffic during the peak hours than the R.E.A. facility. * The northbound left -in is Level of Service A. The right -turn exit from the site is Level of Service A. The left -turn exit from the site is Level of Service D (a.m.) and E (p.m.), with a delay ranging from 12 - 22 seconds. * The dealership will add about 1,200 average daily trips over the present R.E.A. QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS 1. With the dealership, will there be a worsening of the Level of. Service at the College and Harmony, intersection? RESPONSE: No, the Level of Service at this intersection will not change. 2. Will there be test drives going through Fairway Estates? Our streets cannot handle any additional traffic? 1