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HomeMy WebLinkAboutBRIDGEFIELD P.U.D. - PRELIMINARY - 45-94 - CORRESPONDENCE - CITY STAFF (11)K 3 ACK KcC-Apme�rlrr- fCA" ++``__ff�7CCLLT7�'' PA,eKfNS/ ���eee✓✓✓ a UrDScnrt� WADS \ oFFIF'l INTERNAL STREETS - MAJOR lu' 1,42 7:9A (LhNc Lh W9ervT (° 71 7)zh v rL CAY 7< PARkPNS// WALK iF 4r?lcl�T,ivE INTERNAL STREETS - MINOR veti«<< — fzphffuj w11J rot'Acc PERIMETER STREETS 2 (o I UTI L . P-AfFM F vvl' Gfya/+�E I � 2A�ARh�Cf pRivt` �� �G, � rW.� .r T I .0 GARAGE DRIVES Lagunitae Company 4 303 226 6126 MO10124/94 03:26PM p313 12. Mike Herzig, in this regard, felt that this perimeter street specification might work provided it was all one way. 13. Kerrie Ashbeck suggested that developer consider eliminating parking on the main street where parking is adjacent to the sides of houses and make this more of a landscape pedestrian way for the community. Put parking elsewhere in the project as needed, primarily at or opposite house frontages. 14. Mike Herzig stated that streets terminating into garage driveways did not meet cul de sac requirements. 15. Kerrie Ashbeck suggested eliminating some of the homes at the interior of project and have a town square or open space concept onto which garages all would, gain access and / or front. This is an interesting concept but must be looked at from the standpoint of market viability. 16. Rita Davis suggested that landscaped offsets alternate first on the right side of the street, then the left side of the street to create a meandering street to slow down traffic. 17. Mike Herzig commented that a slight meander in the street could accurately accomplish speed control and parking would still be at the front of houses where it would have more utility. 18. Furthermore Mike Herzig indicated that the grade transition at the perimeter of project going from the project into natural area should be carefully considered. LagunitaeCompany ?3032265126 Ma10/24194 03:24PM p213 7. Steve Olt raised the question of the absolute need for the perimeter street. He raised the very innovative idea of keeping the fronts of houses facing out toward the natural area and having all roadway access from the interior. This would require all garage access, guest access and street parking to occur at the interior (garage end of house), and furthermore would require a pathway from the rear of house around to the front of house to gain access. In other words, access to the front of house would be by pedestrians only. This concept presents some marketing and design challenges. S. Tom Vossburg commented on the importance for some residents of garage for storage purposes and in such case, a need for additional on -site parking. Jon Prouty indicated that most houses would have full basements providing plenty of storage and in some cases, houses would have storage configured above garage. 9. Tom Vossburg indicated the desirability of studying similar patio home neighborhoods in Fort Collins and evaluating adequacy of on -street parking, street width, road adequacy, parking space width, etc. related to such projects. Steve Olt indicated he would identify several to look at. Indian Hills West was suggested as one example. Jon Prouty suggested that we could contact John Hinkelman from Boulder Public Works Department as he was familiar with patio home - small street communities in Boulder and was actively involved in drafting the new RAP street standards for Boulder. Study could be written up by developer and attached as an addendum to the traffic study. 10. Mike Herzig indicated specific concerns: a) Main street into project should not dead end into private garage drive but should continue all the way through to public perimeter street. b) Documentation and analysis should be provided in terms of streets, design speeds, curbs, etc. c) Minimum street should have two ten foot travel lanes. d) Prefers 8' parking width. e) Self -enforcing nature of parking is very important - landscape offsets and color concrete contrasting, asphalt roadway. f) It is important that there be sufficient number of on -street parking spaces based on City requirements and functionality of community. 11. Mike Pretz indicated that Fire does not like private drives in general as they present the liability of firefighters and other hazards. Furthermore, he suggested that the perimeter access way could be reduced to 16' asphalt plus 4' gravel shoulder plus 7' parking, and tight curbs and access would be okay provided houses were sprinkled. LogunitssCompany It3032266126 Ma10/24/94 03:22PM ❑1/3 TO: Steve Olt, Planning Tom Vossburg, Transportation Mike Herzig, Engineering Kerrie Ashbeck, Engineering Mike Pretz, Poudre Fire Authority Rita Davis, Transportation FROM: Jon Prouty DATE: October 24, 1994 RE: Work Session / Bridgefield / Minutes 1. Jon Prouty outlined project goals including a) density of eight per acre, b) affordable housing, c) aesthetic housing, d) environmentally sensitive housing, e) maximize usable yard space, and f) minimize roads without compromising public needs for safety, access and convenience. 2_ Steve Olt summarized overview concerns as: a) pedestrian and vehicles within the same twenty feet of perimeter street, and b) pedestrian walk on opposite side from houses (in perimeter street). 3. Tom Vossburg indicated in general that City staff people are very interested in neo- traditional concepts in community planning, however, any such new ideas, concepts, projects must be well thought out and must work well or they might be detrimental and diminish City enthusiasm for additional innovation. 4. Mike Herzig indicated that he would like to see how the project innovations. and variances granted in the Indian Hills Village project work before expanding them further. 5. Rita Davis indicated the concerns that: a) Why our houses face outward toward natural space instead of inward as neo-traditional planning considerations would suggest? Jon responded that the reasoning was aesthetics, environmental sensitivity and most importantly, maximizing effective size and utility of front yard space. b) Sidewalks should be adjacent to house to maximize ease of access from vehicles to house, ADA compliance, and to avoid shared vehicle - pedestrian road. c) Shared vehicle - pedestrian roadways are contrary to conventional wisdom that this presents risk of injury to pedestrian. It would be valuable to find some examples of where this has been done successfully. 6. Mike Herzig indicated that codes have traditionally discouraged people from being in streets for safety reasons.