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37. How will this project effect our taxes?
RESPONSE: We are not sure. You can check with the Larimer County Assessor's office to see
what the impact will be.
38. How much room in your alleyways?
RESPONSE: They will be 16 feet wide which should leave enough room for cars to get in and
out of their garages.
39. Will there be any 6' high stockade fences along the south side of your project?
RESPONSE: Probably not. It would be crazy to have a high fence next to the park area. These
homeowners surely would rather look at the green space instead of a fence.
40. Would you ever consider dropping off those last two rows of houses at the southern end
of the property for greenbelt area?
RESPONSE: No, this would not be feasible for us.
To be fiscally conservative for all tax payers, the City does not want to be in the position of
constructing these improvements ahead of the growth with money from the General Fund.
Rather, the funds raised by the new development fees are to be used. This sometimes results in a
"lag time" where new development is up and running and the development fees (or
infrastructure) has not yet been invested in the necessary improvements. Usually, these funds are
invested in a timely fashion so that new development is served and existing tax payers are
impacted. To do otherwise would require the tax payers to invest funds up front. The risk here
is that demand for services may soften (as in a recession) and yet the money has been spent.
Other methods of building infrastructure is through the capital improvement program such as
Choices `95. Still one other method is the Special Improvement District which has fallen out of
favor due to some failed Districts.
32. I'd like to see some greenbelt areas behind those proposed houses to the south of this
project.
33. Why is no one from Poudre R-I School District, traffic dept. and parks and recreation
here tonight? You do not seem to be able to answer all our questions that should be
addressed to those agencies.
RESPONSE FROM CITY: Would you like to have another meeting? If so, we can try and have
those representatives attend.
34. How will the traffic come out of your subdivision? I live right next to Rocky Road and
have a lot of trouble now backing out of my driveway. Also, the intersection at Rocky
Rd. and W. Elizabeth has poor visibility. One has to pull way out in order to see if .
anything is coming. It's dangerous to creep that far out into Elizabeth Street in order to
see oncoming traffic. Will the City address this?.
RESPONSE FROM CITY: If there is a dangerous situation now, then the City's Traffic
Operations Department can investigate. Improving sight distance at an existing intersection can
be addressed independently of the P.U.D. request.
35. How will the sewage exit this project?
RESPONSE: The City's Sewer Dept. has not indicated any concerns about the capacity at this
time.
36. The Zoning Dept. ignores our calls about more than three unrelated people renting or
living in one household on Timber Lane. I have phoned them many times. How are you
going to control this situation at your project?
RESPONSE: We understand the difficulty with enforcing the legal occupancy of a home. After
we sell a house to a purchaser, we do not have control over how the house is occupied. Home
buyers are free to rent out their homes.
24. What kind of an easement do you have going down Timber Lane?
RESPONSE: There needs to be a utility easement at least.
25. 1 think this proposed development is not all that bad and it beats many other ones going
on in town.
26. How will the drainage area be landscaped?
RESPONSE: The City's Storm Drainage Dept. will have to review this.
27. I'm concerned about only one point of access going into this project off of Elizabeth
Street. You need at least two points of access.
RESPONSE: The preliminary indication from the City is that a single point at the Rocky Road
alignment is all that will be allowed onto Elizabeth Street. The City does not want to add too
many curb cuts to Elizabeth Street.
28. I'm concerned about my children possibly having to be bussed away from Bauder Elem.
School. If another bus is needed, who will pay for this bus?
RESPONSE: The Poudre R-1 School District will evaluate the request and determine which
school will serve this site. We are not sure how the District determines the bus routes or how
bussing costs are handled.
29. Spring rain run-off will drain to the southern row of houses you propose to build. Will
you warn those buyers that the natural drainage will impact their properties?
RESPONSE: The City requires a storm drainage plan. Storm Drainage Dept. will review the
proposed development. Usually, the construction of streets and curbs and positive
grading away from building foundations will keep lots from flooding.
30. Last spring the run off was four feet high in that detention area. Are you going to take
care of this situation?
RESPONSE: Yes. The volume of drainage will be increased due to roofs, sidewalks, etc. not
handling the drainage. However, it will be released slower at a controlled rate.
31. When is the City going to step up and support the infrastructure and make all the
improvements it needs to make as all this growth occurs?
RESPONSE FROM CITY: The City's fiscal policy toward new growth and infrastructure is that
new growth, both residential and commercial, is assessed a series of fees and public
improvements so that "growth shall pay its own way." What this means is that street widening,
parkland development, storm drainage ponds, etc. occur at roughly the same time as the need.
RESPONSE FROM CITY: The developer is required to comply with all storm drainage
regulations so that downstream properties are not impacted.
16. What will these type of homes do to the value of our homes? I'm also concerned about
these proposed alleyways and the trash and junk vehicles that will be left there.
RESPONSE FROM APPLICANT: It is difficult to measure the variables that make up a
property's value. The alleys will be paved, not gravel, which will help the overall appearance of
the alleyway. We will arrange for one trash hauler to serve the entire subdivision and all trash
pick up will be from the front, not in the alley. A homeowner's association will be responsible
for all the up -keep in this development.
17. The police response in our part of town is very slow and I'm concerned about graffiti,
drugs, and drinking that could occur in those alleyways.
18. Another development, The Ponds, has been approved west of Overland Trail and this is a
lot of density in our area. I'd rather see a park go in on this proposed site.
19. I'd like to state that it is important that we voice our opinions tonight at this meeting. It
will be made a part of the public record. The record should show that we are opposed to
the project based on impacts on traffic and on the park.
20. How exactly is West. Elizabeth going to be improved? I am very concerned about the
traffic impact this added project will have.
RESPONSE FROM CITY: West Elizabeth will ultimately be constructed as a minor arterial
street in this area. It will widen out to an arterial cross-section further east by the K.F.C. The
developer is responsible for constructing his "local street portion" on the south side of West
Elizabeth Street. There are no plans for the City to construct the improvements on the north side
of the street. A minor arterial street consists of one travel lane in each direction with a
continuous center left turn lane.
21. What are the setbacks in between the homes?
RESPONSE: There will be a minimum of five feet between home and property line with a
minimum separation of 10 feet between homes.
22. Are you building carriage houses or granny units'
RESPONSE: No.
23. Are you removing the trees on Elizabeth Street?
RESPONSE: Not all of them.
RESPONSE: I suppose they will shop there. King Soopers is a relatively small store and needs
to make some improvements of their own, by expanding some.
9. Will there be a future access back to the west?
RESPONSE: There is a vacant property between our project and the present terminus of
Pleasant Valley Drive to the west. We are planning on connecting to Pleasant Valley and have
aligned our lots and streets accordingly. In fact, one of our water lines may be extended from
Pleasant Valley in what is planned to be the future extension of Pleasant Valley Drive. Until the
intervening property develops, however, the actual street connection will not be made but we are
planning for it.
10. Will your traffic study include the C.S.U. football games?
RESPONSE: No, there are only 5 to 6 home games per year and the City Transportation
Department requests that we not consider special events in the study.
11. Will water mains have to be expanded to accommodate this added development?
RESPONSE: There is already an 8" high pressure line near this site that should be adequate for
this area. The City is directing that we loop our water mains for best pressure.
12. Why doesn't this subdivision have more open space and more buffering?
RESPONSE FROM CITY: Parks and Recreation's policy is to charge a parkland development
fee of $813 per unit and develop a network of high quality neighborhood parks rather than have
each individual subdivision provide its own open space. This results in better parks although
they may be space further apart.
13. I'd like to see some buffering between the park and the bike trail.
14. I have three boys and I do not want them to have to cross Elizabeth Street in order to get
to the park.
RESPONSE FROM CITY: Rogers Park is available on the north side of Elizabeth, Overland
Trail Park is available on south.
15. Is anything going to be done to change the drainage on this site?
RESPONSE FROM APPLICANT: Yes, the site will be graded so that storm flows will be
routed through the streets to the natural low spot. This is on the south side of the property. For
your information, the 10 acres to the south of this project was sold to the City for drainage
purposes. These 10 acres are combined with the park to create a larger sense of open space.
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NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING MINUTES
PROJECT: Minatta (Overland Ridge) P.U.D.
DATE: August 24, 1995
APPLICANT: John Minatta
CONSULTANT: Bruce Hendee, B.H.A. Design
PLANNER: Ted Shepard
The proposal is for a residential Planned Unit Development on 29 acres for approximately 116
single-family homes. The property is located on the south side of West Elizabeth Street, west of
Deerfield Drive (extended). The entrance off West Elizabeth Street aligns with Rocky Road.
(Unless noted, all responses are from the applicant or his consultant.)
QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS
There will be 116 lots on 29 acres, equaling 4 houses per acre. This project is anticipated
to be developed over three phases.
2. Access to the site will be near the middle of the project off of W. Elizabeth Street at the
Rocky Road alignment.
3. There will be detached sidewalks, and tree -lined streets in the whole subdivision.
4. Most of the garages will not face the street, they will be off of the alleys in the back, i.e.
rear -loaded alleys. They will be double garages for each unit. Where there are no
alleyways, garages will face the street but will be setback behind the front building line.
5. The houses will be approximately 1,200 to 1,500 sq. ft. The price ranges from $120,000.
to $150,000.
6. We anticipate breaking ground in the spring of 1996.
7. The developer will be responsible for making the required street improvements on the
south side of W. Elizabeth St. West Elizabeth will have to be widened to the "minor
arterial" standard.
8. Where do you suppose all these people are going to grocery shop, at King Soopers? It is
busy enough.