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Answer (by City staff): Yes. Contact the City Manager's Office to request. Also, the
first 30 minutes of every City Council meeting is devoted to public input on items not on
that evening's agenda. This may be a good chance to voice your concerns.
Comment (by neighbor): There will probably be at least 150 dwelling units from Harvest
using Timber Creek as their primary access.
Comment (by neighbor): A property owner named Tony on 2500 block of Rock Creek
was told it would never go through by Writer Homes.
Question (by neighbor): Can we notify a larger area of neighbors for the hearing on this?
Answer (by City staff): We can only require the applicant to notify 750' from the
project, which in this case is the one block being changed. If a group can distribute past
the required notification distance, more can be invided.
Comment (from neighbor): Noise pollution from traffic will affect home values.
Question (by neighbor): Regarding the new rules of 660 foot intervals of street
connections .... when you can't get them .... Why can't properties along Kechter have
street punch through east and west?
Answer (by City staff): It potentially could, but it would require acquisition of property
from a series of different property owners, and there is no money for such an endeavor.
We typically require that once a property develops, that the property being developed
provide all on site streets, but since the large lots along Kechter are not likely to develop,
there isn't really a mechanism to pay for such a street.
Question (by neighbor): Why didn't Writer put more connections? Why no connection
east on County Fair Lane?
Answer (by City staff): The southwest corner of Harvest Park has the McClelland
Channel running through it. This constraint makes it difficult to make connections. The
property southwest of Harvest Park and south of Stetson Creek is made up of large deep
lots fronting on Kechter Road. It would be infeasible to require off -site construction of
such a road. The lack of connections is more a result of the layout of Stetson Creek
(which was a result of a previous code) in that there were no street stubs provided to
connect to. Harvest Park was not required to mitigate the design of Stetson Creek's lack
of connectivity. It was considered an off -site issue during the review of Harvest Park.
Comment (by neighbor): Now that we all realize traffic problems — time to go back and
fix the problems.
Question (by neighbor): Can neighborhood buy the road?
Answer (by City staff): Not likely, but check with the Traffic Operations Department.
Comment (by neighbor): This is like Swallow Street right through our neighborhood.
Comment (by neighbor): Can we meet with our council person?
Question (by neighbor): Why is there only one connection between Harvest and the
neighborhoods to the west (Stetson Creek and Timber Creek)?
Answer (by applicant): Stanton Creek and Timber Creek were developed under the
previous code. They didn't have the requirement, as the new code does, to stub future
frequent street connection to adjacent developable properties. It was not required of these
developments to make multiple east -west connections between neighborhoods.
Comment (by City staff): A problem was identified with the old standard. This is why
the current code requires that a development provide stubs of future street connections
every 660 feet along the property lines abutting developable ground. Harvest Park PDP
didn't have the opportunity to connect to the west except where Rock Creek Drive was
stubbed to the common property line.
Question (by neighbor): In cases like this, where the connection requirements between
the old code and the new code create situations where all the traffic is directed to one
connection rather than distributed among several connections, there is a real problem.
Can we close -off Rock Creek Drive to solve the problem?
Answer (by City staff): Not likely. It would solve one problem at the expense of
creating other problems.
Question (by neighbor): What about the Rock Creek connection between the
neighborhoods as emergency traffic only? What would it take to close off connection of
Rock Creek?
Answer (by City staff): Not likely, but the Traffic Operations Department could
elaborate.
Comment (by applicant): If we close — it pushes traffic problems on north up Corbitt
More traffic = slower
Comment (by neighbor): Bus Routes: Kids run across this collector to bus. Doesn't trust
City Engineering- Why no light at Stetson Creek?
Answer (by City staff): There are specific traffic counts that must occur at an
intersection in order to warrant a traffic signal. If and when this intersection meets
warrants, a signal would be possible. The Traffic Operations Department is the point of
contact for this.
Comment (by neighbor): Traffic issues — The traffic calming in Harvest makes these new
units less likely to use Harvest Streets because it would be more convenient to go west
through Timber Creek.
Comment (by City staff): There are limited funds for the City to go into neighborhoods
and retro-fit traffic calming measures such as speed humps. Every neighborhood with
existing speeding problems is ranked by seriousness of the problem by our Traffic
Operations Department. There is only funds every year to make traffic calming
improvements to the 3 most serious ranked neighborhoods. The Stetson Creek Drive and
Timber Creek Drive traffic problems are not ranked near the top of the list of
neighborhoods with the most serious speeding problems, therefore it is unlikely that the
City would pay to install traffic calming anytime soon. If the Homeowners Associations
perhaps wanted to pool some funds together to pay to make traffic calming
improvements, there may be a way to get them in.
Question (by neighbor): What design features were taken into account for traffic calming
in the street design of Harvest Park?
Answer (from the applicant): The streets provide a somewhat circutious route through
the neighborhood, there are 4 round-abouts, intersections have curb bump -outs, and there
are several medians.
Question (by neighbor): Will there be a limit to the number of vehicles each townhouse
owner will be allowed to have?
Answer (from applicant): Don't believe so.
Question (by neighbor): Is it possible to require the developer to do something about
traffic as part of this review?
Answer (by City staff): Only to the extent that the additional 11 dwelling units would
generate. Single family detached housing statistically generates more trips per day than
townhomes, so even though there will be more dwelling units, the fact that the developer
will be substituting townhomes for single family detached, the proposed change is likely
to have similar traffic generation.
Question (by neighbor): Why are the multifamily units selling faster?
Answer (by applicant): It's due to the market. That price range has more buyers.
Comment (by neighbor): Also Harvest Park neighborhood has whole new style to it.
Comment (by applicant): Traffic/drainage are always major issue, we don't deny it.
Question (by neighbor): Doesn't alley loaded give up back yard?
Comment (by neighbor): Just because market for townhomes is strong now, please don't
make changes to a good plan because it sells quicker.
Comment (by neighbor): The new high school will also add to east -west traffic on
Timber Creek. This will impact all neighborhoods in this area.
Community Planning and Environmental Services
Current Planning
City of Fort Collins Neighborhood Meeting Notes
Conducted April 30, 2002
for
Major Amendment to Harvest Park P.D.P.
Project Description: The request is to replat Block 2 of the approved Harvest Park P.D.P.
from 18 single family detached home lots to 29 single- family attached home lots
(townhomes). The location is bounded by Harvest Park Lane on the north, Country
Squire on the west, Old Mill Road on the east, and Rock Creek on the south.
Comments, Questions & Answers:
A resident from the Timber Creek Subdivision stood up and read a statement from a
neighborhood resident (Kent Allenbrand) who could not attend.
Comment (by neighbor): Harvest is not taking "just care" to be sensitive to the needs of
the neighborhoods to the west (Stetson Creek & Timber Creek).
Comment (by neighbor): This neighbor commented on several items as follows:
• There are not enough interconnected streets between Harvest and the
neighborhoods to the west, so all the east -west traffic will channel onto the
one connection provided.
• Each of the 11 additional housing units will have additional vehicular trips to
and from these lots. This will impact the existing neighborhoods negatively.
The two existing collectors (Timber Creek Drive & Stetson Creek Drive) will
have to take all the east -west traffic to and from Timberline.
• The two existing collectors (Timber Creek Drive & Stetson Creek Drive) are
designed too wide, therefore cars go too fast on them.
Comment (by neighbor): There is great concern about Rock Creek absorbing the traffic
between these two neighborhoods. The 2500 block of Rock Creek was not designed
sensitive to collector level traffic loads in that the setbacks of the houses are similar to the
way local streets typically configure houses, not collectors. There needs to be traffic
calming / traffic control on the 2500 block of Rock Creek to mitigate this problem.
Question (by neighbor): If the fact that this is an odd shape block is part of the reason
why single family detached lots won't work on this block, why doesn't Harvest Park just
put their rec. center there?
Answer: The rec. center location that is being provided is central to the neighborhood so
more people are in close proximity to it.
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