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5 I, Leslie G. Arnold, do hereby state that I am
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7 of .Colorado, hereby certify that the foregoing hearing,
8 taken in'the matter of Drake Crossing Shopping Center PUD,
9 was held on Monday, March 10, 1997, at 300 West Laporte
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1 support this motion because I felt there was significant
2 public input, and if, you know, it's not getting resolved, I
3 think the Board should be able to hear from the neighborhood
4 again if things aren't quite where they need to be. So I'll
5 be supporting the motion.
6 MR. DAVIDSON: I would be supporting it also
7 because I feel there is insufficient evidence right now or
8 information to make a determination.
9 MS. BELL: Could we have a vote, please.
10 THE CLERK: Gavaldon?
11 MR..GAVALDON: Yes.
12 THE CLERK: Byrne?
13 MR. BYRNE: Yes.
14 THE CLERK: Chapman?
15 MR. CHAPMAN: No...
16 THE CLERK: Davidson?
17 MR. DAVIDSON: Yes.
18 THE CLERK: Bell?
19 MS. BELL: Yes. 'The motion to continue this
20 to the April meeting with the desire by.the Board to have
21 the applicant and staff and, preferably, neighborhood folks
22 all involved in trying to come up with some more sufficient
23 mitigation measures for this area for pedestrian and
24 bicyclists.
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1 condition on approval.
2 MS. BELL: John, could you advise us,as to --
3 is that also an appropriate route?
4 MR. DUVAL:. I think the problem with that is,
5 that it's -= if the Board wants to know what that decision.
6 is, it's going to be difficult for that*to come back because
7 you're approving it with a condition that staff essentially
8 worked the problem out. And then, at that point, it may be
9 out of your hands.
10 And if you want it to come back to you, then
11 I think the appropriate direction is to go ahead with the
12 motion to postpone. But I would add to that though, I think
13 we also need to put on that motion to postpone to a date
14 certain, so there's some certainty as when this will come
15 back to the Board.,
16 In talking to Bob Blanchard,: he suggested
17 that approximately two months from tonight would be -- I
18 think would work best for their agenda.
19 MR. BYRNE: I would then amend my motion to
20 include the date -- which date is that, Bob?
21 MR. BLANCHARD: It would be the advertised
22 April P & Z meeting. So March agenda goes out tomorrow.
23 MR. BYRNE: Okay.
24 MR. GAVALDON: I will support that.
25 MS. BELL: I guess my. inclination would be to
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MS.
BELL:
Mike?
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MR.
BYRNE:
I'm_ready to make a
motion.. I
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that we
continue Item 34-96, which
is the Drake
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Shopping
Center
amended to give staff
and the
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time to
review
the issue of off -site
improvements,
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the pedestrian
and bicycle circulation issues are
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9 MS. BELL: Is there a second?
10 MR.. GAVALDON: I will second the. motion.
11 MS. BELL: It's been moved and seconded. Any
12 further discussion?
13 MR. CHAPMAN: I would raise the point, rather
14 than continuing, Mike, if we should rather approve with the
15 condition that traffic and the developer get together and
16 discuss various ways to resolve the issues brought up by the
17 neighborhood.
18 I think there are certainly valid issues. At
19 the same time, knowing that you live on Hampshire Road,
20 which is a collector street, you know, there's going to be
21 traffic there. There is, whether or not if a bank is going
22 to be here. And so I think a way of finding -- finding a
23 way to mitigate what that traffic is doing to the
24 neighborhoods, would be a good way to do that. And I would
25 suggest that rather than continuing it, we just put a
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1 pedestrians will be interfacing. And these folks on
2 Hampshire Court and in the nearby area, obviously, by
3 testimony, use this area on foot and probably on bicycle
4 quite a bit.
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And I don't feel like the
information that's
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been given
to us -- because my inclination
I guess would be
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to request
that the developer look.into
appropriate off -site
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mitigation.
But since we don't seem to
know what that is
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tonight, and
it is obviously necessary,
I would certainly
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entertain a
motion to that.
11 MR. GAVALDON: Before we go into that, it
12 appears that tonight we just received the February 13th
13 notes from the neighborhood meeting, and I believe there was
14 another meeting that was just a couple of weeks ago; is that
15 correct, Steve?
16 MR. OLT: There was.a follow-up meeting held
17 on February 27th at the bank, and that it was determined
18 that there would be -- there was a need for that to continue
19 to discuss the project, the appropriateness of this.land use
20 on this site.. There were five people from the neighborhood
21 at that meeting.
22 MR. GAVALDON: Are there.notes available,
23 too?
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MR.
OLT: No,
there
aren't.
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MR.
GAVALDON:
Oh,
okay.
But I do agree with
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1 There are some circumstances when it might be
2 appropriate for a City to require a developer, as a
3 condition of the improvement of the development, to make
4 certain off -site improvements to mitigate the impacts of
5 that development. But the Courts require that we show a
6 connection between that development and those off site
7 improvements..
8 In other words, that there are -- you can
9 show impacts and show that this -- these off -site
10 improvements will mitigate those impacts. So I think the
11 answer you got was, to some extent, the City couldn't
12 require it, but that's not true. This analysis of whether
13 the City.can require these off -site improvements is
14 sometimes a difficult one to make and sometimes takes time
15 to -- for staff and others.to look into that and analyze it
16 a little bit more.
17 So this may be a case where you might want to
18 consider determining if there is not enough information
19 right now to make the decision, 'and ask staff to look at
20 that issue in terms of, are site improvements needed, and
21 can they be required of the developer.
22 MS. .BELL: Well, I'm thinking that's probably
23 an excellent discussion because I've been uncomfortable that
24 we didn't have a traffic study with us tonight, and
25 obviously.the critical issue before us tonight is how the
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1 base roadway. And those are actually traffic calming in a
2 sense too, .and they are located.within the center.
3 I think that to satisfy a lot of the needs
4 the opportunity for curb extensions at the existing
5 crosswalk at valley Forge and Hampshire would be a more
6 desirable approach, but it. doesn't address.the neighbor's
7 concerns on Hampshire Court to walk directly across the
8 center.
g. It would be,.I guess, a safety improvement,
10 but they would also have to go out of their way somewhat to
11 reach that crosswalk to the north of Hampshire.Court. But-
12 it would also be a location that would serve a greater
13 neighborhood need than just the folks that walked down the
14 sidewalk from the west and also the Hampshire Court folks.-
15 So wherever we can install devices that would'
16 not.only serve the residents to the south, but also the
17 residents to the north, would be a better application. -
18 MS. BELL: Well, we've had quite a bit of
19 discussion on that.
20 MR. DUVAL Madam Chair, I guess I'd like to
21 add to and answer the question that Mr. Byrne raised, and
22 Fred Jones has been answering in terms of, can the City
23 require,. let's say off -site improvements, to deal with the
24 traffic problems that we are discussing here tonight-. And
25 the answer to that is, it'depends.
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1 MR. BYRNE: That -is?
2 MR. JONES: This is Hampshire right here.
3 The thing we have to be careful in weighing our traffic
4 calming options are -- is that the Poudre Fire Authority and.
5 Emergency Services does have problems negotiating speed
6 humps. If this is, and indeed it is, an access, an
7 emergency vehicle access to the neighborhood; the nearest
8 fire department is on Taft Hill and Devonshire, which is
9 south of Drake.
10 If they get a call for emergency services in
11 _,this neighborhood, they will access this neighborhood
12 through Hampshire Road. So we don't want to impede the
13 Emergency Service's response times, so it. is a careful
14 balancing act when you have safety concerns.
15 MR. BYRNE: One last question, and that is on
16 the intersection that's now being completely redone. I
17 guess that's Drake and. Taft Hill that has a pedestrian
18 walkway that is called what? That's a textured or --
19 MR. JONES: It is a stamped concrete,
20 textured concrete crosswalk.
21 MR. .BYRNE: Is that considered traffic
22 calming, or what is that considered?
23 MR. JONES: I think it's more aesthetics than
24 traffic calming. There are some raised concrete crosswalks
25 within the Drake Center that do have an elevation over the
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1 things,,I know from my own experience, you don't want to get
2 between a mother and her kid when it comes to traffic.
3 That's like -- that's about as dangerous a
4 situation that you can get. So then we've got the demands
5 -- we got the needs, or the perceived needs of
6 neighborhoods, and then there's a professional judgment of
7 what traffic engineering uses, which is largely driven by
8 manuals and .that sort of thing.
9 So I guess one of the -- the real question I
10 wanted to ask was in your judgment are there -- are traffic
11 calming measures warranted in this, you know, in the
12 situation that we are looking at?
13 MR. JONES: We have done speed studies on-
14 Hampshire quite a bit north. When you get into the when
15 you get into the area of this type of a roadway with access
16 points, sure there could be in this -- there's another.'
17 driveway --'I believe there's another driveway approach or
18 curb.cut to the north of this one, on the other side of the
19 parking lot, into the parking lot to the north.
20 There could be a potential for a speed hump
21 in this location. You normally like to place those types of
22 devices where a person could get their travel .speed in an
23 excess of the posted speed limit, so --
24 MR. BYRNE: What about on Hampshire though?
25 MR. JONES: That would be on Hampshire.
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1 . to the school, church, or park.
2 MR. BYRNE: And my guess is, as with.all that
3 stuff, as we do have a heightened sense of the need for
4 pedestrian facilities, that the demand for those funds is
5 much higher than what our resources are.
6 MR. JONES: The City is currently working
7 with about 70 neighborhoods throughout the City. We have 26
8 of those neighborhoods that currently have.submitted
9 applications for neighborhood traffic safety funds. And we
10 are in the process of.evaluating those neighborhoods and
11 putting them into the assessment points category to see who
12 would be eligible for expenditure of the 1997 funds.
13 MR. BYRNE: But we have no way of knowing
14 tonight, ,for example, whether there would be funds available
15 to do -- I mean basically what it is, we got to rely on .the
16 good neighborliness of the developer, and .I can certainly
17 understand why they would be reluctant. They are a bank
.18 after all, right, and they have to be careful with their
19 money.
20 And. then the other thing is we got this fund
21 that we don't. have any way of knowing whether we'd have
22 resources available. And then there's also some questions
23 of what really would be appropriate in terms of -- you.know,
24 that's another one that we hear all. the time. Neighbors
25 would like -- they'd like lots of things because one of the
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1 make sure I'm correct on this. Is any off -site traffic
2 calming measures would have to be funded by the City; is
3 that true?
4 MR. JONES: Unless the bank wanted to make a
5 good neighbor gesture in implementing those, I believe
6 you're correct.
7 MR. BYRNE: And the problem that we have with
8 trying to have the City do that, is we don't have a funding
9 source. We don't have .a fund that says, because these kinds
10 of situations we see those all the time, where there's, you
11 know, the developer is proposing to do what's correct and
12 proper in terms of their site.
13 But there are some off -site stuff that would-
14 make it more acceptable to the neighbors, but we don't -
15 really have the flexibility or funding to provide some of
16 that stuff.
17 MR. JONES: We do have a funding source in
18 the neighborhood traffic safety program that City Council
19 has set aside a fund specifically for neighborhood traffic
20 safety.
21 MR. BYRNE: And that fund is controlled by --
22 MR. JONES: It's controlled by a variety of
23 criteria -and those funds are being, I guess, evaluated on a
24 city-wide basis, and we look at a varietyof criteria: The
25. speed, the extent of the problem,. if it's in close proximity .
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1 drive -up facility would be an automobile oriented type of
2 use, and has the potential of being a -- generating a lot of
3 vehicle trips..
4 MS. BELL: It's a pretty small site, so what
5 could you have on there a 7-Eleven, maybe, that would
6 generate a lot of traffic too. You couldn't have something
7 too big.
8 MR. JONES: And a convenience store, a "C"
9 store, would generate close to 1200 trips per day. On the
10 high end of this, we could have close to 1200 trips per day,
11 but the bank did an analysis of their transactions on the
12 North College site, and their trips were relatively low in
13 comparison to the ITE average.
14. MS. BELL: That's a new site too, isn't it
15 though, fairly new, on North College? Okay. All right.
16 Other.Board questions, Mike?
17 MR. BYRNE: Fred, it a appears to me from
18 listening to everything at this point, the area that we have
19 to explore, I think in. terms of maybe some compromise,. would
20 be off -site improvements for traffic calming. Because my
21 view of the whole principle of -having a bank in this
22 location.makes sense.
23 It's probably not the ideal spot, but you
24 know, we are always dealing with doing the' best we can. We
25 never deal with perfect conditions, but I just wanted. to
1 and that is what this is doing at this point in time,
2 correct.
3 MS. BELL: So in terms of a traffic
4 generator, and some of the potential uses that could show up
5 there -- because one thing that seems obvious about it, it's
6 not being used for anything. That's obviously why someone
7 comes in and wants, to do something with it, because I don't
8 think that many cars park there, typically, do they?
9 MR. OLT: I have been on -site since this
10 project's been in for review on various days during the week
11 on at least half dozen different occasions, and in this
12 parking lot again, which is currently laid out for 71
13 vehicles, I have never seen more than 10 vehicles parked
14 there at any given time.- Generally, it's 6 to 10 vehicles.
15 MS. BELL: So it might be likely that another
.16 use could come in there of a commercial nature and so my
17 question is -- kind of in the whole realm of traffic
18 generating uses. Is this considered a low traffic
19 generator? High? Medium? Where would you rank this?
20 MR. JONES: From a trip generation
21. standpoint, out of the ITE trip generation -book, it varied.
22 In case studies it found that in the p.m. peak, the trips 3
.23 varied from 7 trips per hour per drive -up lane, up to, like, -
24 .56 trips per hour;. per driver a lane. So a lot of `it .is the
25 type of bank, the customer base that they -provide. But any
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1 that presents another difficulty. That is something that's
2 real, and how do you deal with that, it's a real good
3 question. At signalized intersections, we have
4 opportunities to put in beacons or chirping sounds for the
5 visually impaired. It's a tough situation all over our
.6 community.
.7 MS. BELL: Well, something that's.coming to
8 my mind, I'mean -- that was a parking lot, I guess, in the
9 original PUD, it wasn't -- it was never intended to be --
10 it's not like it's a piece of land. Do you understand the
11 direction I'm asking here?
12 MR. OLT: I think so. It's a plan for a
13 parking lot with the original PUD; that's correct.
14 MS. BELL: So that's why we are seeing it as
15 anamended final because there was not supposed to be
16 anything there accept a parking lot. And now the -- so any
17 other applicants could come in and suggest to do the same
18 thing and a different kind of usecould show up there other
19 than -- although it wasn't on the original plan. Anybody
20 could literally come in and say we like to make this parking
21 lot into something else. Is that --
22 MR. OLT: Under the Land Development Guidance
23 System, that's correct. An amendment to the original PUD is
24 possible. It would have to be evaluated against the
25 appropriate point -chart and the -All-Development Criteria,
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1 at the crosswalk, so we are warning drivers that there is a
2 crosswalk.
3 You can see there is not a real long distance
4 between the intersection of Hampshire and Drake, to the
5 Hampshire pond location. A hundred and fifty feet. Or --
6 Hampshire Court,excuse me. That's probably why we don't
7 have a crosswalk, or probably would be -- unless there were
8 high pedestrian volumes and very minimal size gaps in
9 traffic to get across the roadway here. Propose a crosswalk
10 because of the site distance -- the ability to place advance
11. warning signs. "
12 You would have to have a sign right hereto
13 warn people there is a crosswalk at this. location. And as "
14 you're turning off of a street, there is that potential`for
15 paying attention to your turning maneuver, and unless that
16 pedestrian was actually at the intersection, you may not see
17 that advanced warning sign.
18 So the location that the crosswalk is located
19 here, would serve as a crosswalk for both the residents to
20 the north as well as to the west. .So it's not wrong to
21 cross the street in that area, and when I went out there at
22 the a.m. period, primarily because of school bus. traffic, I
23 didn't see the gaps being that minimal in traffic that you
24 couldn't walk across the street.
25 Now, if you're visually or hearing impaired,
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1 facility is either in Old Town off of Oak and Mason or at
2 College and Boardwalk. And we know what kind of congestion
3 problems we currently have along the South.College corridor.
4 So from another community prospective, it could be an aid in
5 reducing vehicle miles of travel.
6 MR. DAVIDSON: Okay. Thank you.
7 MS. BELL: I guess. I just as I'm trying. to
8 think through this, I'm looking at the LDGS under
9 Neighborhood Compatible, A-2.1 and A-2.4 which have to be
10 with vehicular circulation and parking and 2.1 which
11 specifically deals with Pedestrian/Bicycle Transportation.
12 And I'm still feeling a. little confused as to
13 how well this project is actually meeting that criteria, so
14 could you try and clear that up for me a little bit because
15 I -- well just -- could you try?
16 MR. JONES: Well, I guess there will always
17 be a conflict between automobiles and pedestrians and
18.. bicyclists, as we continue trying to promote alternative
19 modes and get people out of the single occupancy vehicles,
20 as was demonstrated or.spoke to by the neighbors.
21 There are some folks that evidently do not
22 respect the pedestrian's right-of-way in the crosswalks. We
23 do -- you can see the advance pedestrian crossing sign here
24 and then also the crosswalk. You can't really see it from
25 here, but there is a sidewalk here and it does have a. sign
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1 request that they take a very conservative approach, and all
2 of their analysis was based upon new trips. And if you were
3 going to have a destination type trip'to the drive -up bank,
4 you're probably correct that the.majority of those trips
5 will access Hampshire Road in the west access point.
6 If you're goi-hg to be doing some trip
7 chaining, and you're going to be stopping off at Walgreens
8 for a prescription, or at Safeway for a few items, or at the
9 Conoco gas station for some fuel, your approach in where you
10 come into the shopping center may vary.. So -- and we do
11 realize that some of the trips that this bank will generate,
12 will be secondary trips.
13 Or if you're going to the bank, you may stop
14 off at Ace Hardware and pick up a couple of items or at. the
15 Pizza Hut and get a pizza or something of that nature. So.
16 from a transportation prospective on trying to reduce
17 overall vehicle miles of travel, within the overall
18. community. I see this--- the bank itself, the walk=in
19 facility, and also the drive -up facility is automobile
20 oriented.
21 The neighbors have some outstanding points on
22 their prospective on additional traffic. But from the
23 community -wide prospective, I believe it has the potential
24 to reduce the overall vehicle miles of travel.•
25 I think the nearest First National Bank
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1 And I do notice an awful lot of people do
2 walk to the service center down Drake and up Hampshire
3 because I think about this a lot so are there any other
4, possibilities? I mean, one thought that came to mind to me,
5 but it would definitely be an inconvenience, but would
6 definitely seal the problem. Don't have an entrance on
7 Hampshire.
8 MR. JONES: Well I-thinkthat the
9 availability of multiple entrances into a site distribute
10 your vehicle travel, how your vehicles get in. This
11 particular neighborhood center services the Village West
12 subdivision which is a fairly large housing residential
13 subdivision.
14 It also services several neighborhoods on
.15 further east and south of.Drake.Road also Horsetooth and
16 Taft Hill area. So it doesn't service the neighborhood back
17 to the north and to the west. It does service a little
18 larger area.
19 I also frequent .this neighborhood center too,
20 and I normally try to take, what I would say is the main
21 entrance, because most of my trips are to the Safeway or
22 some to the Ace .Hardware or something like that. And so I
23 tend.to use a little different approach to the center
24 myself.
25 Now in the traffic study, we did require a
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some of their signage. And then another main -- well,
another entrance off of Valley Forge. So there are four
fairly equally distributed entrances. I suppose it would be
from which direction you're approaching the center as to
what I would feel would be the most convenient
MR. DAVIDSON: I guess in reality, what I see.
is -- I only see one direction that people are going to get
to this drive-in. I shop there all the time. I live in --
not in that neighborhood, but that's the closest to me. And
I just don't see anybody using Taft to go to the.drive-in
bank.
You would have to go through the entire
parking complex to.get through there, which is not worth the
effort. You would not turn in, I do not believe, on Drake.
just east'of this for the same reason because you would have
to make multiple turns that you would not have to make going
in from Hampshire, so I guess I question the sanity of the
entrance to some extent.
I'see good things about this
development
because
from my pet peeve about architectural
design and
things;
it's an improvement of.the bank --
the asphalt, but
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same time, for the neighbors in the
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it does offer a
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1 MS. BELL: Bob?
2 MR. DAVIDSON: I'm going to search my memory
3 to think of any service centers -- neighborhood service
4 centers where .we have a main entrance on a collector. And I
5 consider this a main entrance because I shop there a lot,
6 and that's the entrance I go in quite a bit, myself, right
7 now. But with the bank, itIs'going to be a lot more people
8 using that, so to me, it will become more or less a main
9 entrance. And is this a common practice? Because I cannot
10 think of.any offhand where we have a main entrance from a
11 collector street.
12 MR. JONES: Scotch Pines Shopping Center at
13 Drake and Lemay, I believe, has.an access point to the west.
14 It's probably more of a residential street than a collector
15 street.
16 MR. DAVIDSON: What I meant though, as a main
17 entrance, is where you have a major business that's going to
18 attract them in that entrance.
19 MR. JONES: In looking at the traffic impact
20 study, the majority of the vehicle travel will have the
21 closest entrance and exit at this point. There are three
22 other access points into the center, which is one to the
23 east, which would be their south, what they term their south
24 main entrance.
25 The other main entrance off of Taft Hill
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1 years, and a lot of the ADA requirements for handicap
2 accessibility were probably not in place at the time this
3 site was designed.
4 MS. BELL: Okay.
5 MR. CHAPMAN: Fred, back to Robin's statement
6 about, if I.understood her, she couldn't see far enough to
7 see that she could clearly get across the road. Are there.
8 some sight distance problems whether someone coming from
9 Hampshire Court is trying to cross Hampshire Road)
10 MR. JONES: Not that I'm aware of. There is
11 a slight curvature in the roadway. Hampshire Court is very
12 close to the intersection and, possibly the vehicles making
13 a right turn or a left turn on to Hampshire may be a sight
14, problem that she's not familiar with them turning into
15 there.
16. MR. CHAPMAN: Okay. And the other part;"the
17 question was the. roadway that enters into the shopping
18 center. There's proposed to be some.:more vegetation put on
19 that, and the question is, are those higher growing trees,.
20 or are they shrubs that would impair vision along that
21 corridor -- that walking corridor?
22 MR. JONES: That was a comment that we had
23 made to the bank, that screening and buffering is nice, as
24 long as it does not impede the sight, line of sight, for
25 pedestrians entering the neighborhood shopping center.
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Now, it was stated that to enter on the driveway through
here, is not handicap accessible. They have vertical -type
curbs on the islands in the parking lot, so if you did
access that you would have to be in the travel lane.
You can access the site down the sidewalk on
Drake Road and into the site through this area here. And*
once your in the site, I'm not real familiar with all of the
barriers that you would encounter if you were handicapped.
With.the proposal of the bank, they plan on improving the
pedestrian accessibility through a series of ramps and
handicap treatments that would get you from this
intersection through the site, into the sidewalk facilities
here, on both sides of drive approach.
Once you're in the site, again, I know that
there are some vertical curbs to get up to some of the
different shops and whether they have ramps to those, I'm
not real familiar with the site.
MS. BELL: So really, is it your feeling that
this applicant has improved.the site to the best'of their
ability regarding accessibility for those that are disabled?
MR. JONES: I think they are improving the
site. Whether it's --
23 MS. BELL: But it's not quite there yet?
24 MR. JONES: Completely improved as the -- I
25_._...._.believe that_. this site has been in place for a number of
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1 to put a stop sign in there any way?
2 MR. JONES: Well, the issue that we found
3 when we have four-way stops that. have been installed, that
4 don't meet the volume warrants, is that we have a very low_
5 compliance to a voluntary stop. If you're 'traveling, for
6 instance on Hampshire Road or a similar roadway like this,
7 and you very seldom ever encounter a vehicle approaching on
8 the side street, your -tendencies to do a rolling stop or a
9 not stop at all, are very likely. And that constitutes a
10 false sense of security, so to speak. So we try not to
11 install multi -way stops unless they do meet that criteria.
12 MS. BELL: Okay. My other question is
13 related to how folks with disabilities access this area?
14 And could you just kind of walk us through that from
15 Hampshire Court?
16 MR. JONES: This is fine. There are
17 sidewalks along Drake Road.with handicap accessible
18 wheelchair ramps at this intersection. This is
19 stop -controlled also.
20
MS.
BELL:
So we are now at the intersection
21
of Drake and Taft?
22
MR.
JONES:.
Hampshire and Drake Road.
23
MS.
BELL:.
Oh, Hampshire and Drake, okay.
24
MR.
JONES:
And this is a crossing in this
25
area where they could cross, access a sidewalk up this way.
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1 crosses Hampshire.
2 MS. BELL: So it's a four-way stop?
3 MR. 'JONES: No, it is a two-way stop.
4 Two way stop -controlled.
5 MS. BELL: Okay: So east and westbound
6 traffic stops to get onto -- before they enter into.
7 Hampshire?
8 MR. JONES: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. BELL: So what I'm wondering, if making
10 that a four-way stop would solve some of this -- that would
11 be a traffic -- definite traffic calming device. .
12 MR. JONES: Yes, it would.
13 MS. BELL: Pretty expensive.
14 MR. JONES: Yes; it would. There is a
15 _national criteria, however, that. we need to maintain.
16 MS. BELL: A national. criteria?
17 MR. JONES: Yes, a criteria that is out of
18 the manual on uniform traffic control devices. That for an
19 intersection of this nature. to warrant the installation of a
2.0 multi -way stop, we need to have a minimum of 500 vehicles
21 and pedestrians entering the intersection per hour for eight
.22 hours of a 24-hour day. And of that 500 vehicles, we need
23 to have 200 vehicles on the side street crossing the main
24 street. Pedestrians or .vehicles .combined.
25 ..MS. BELL: Are we breaking the law if we were
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1 not very desirable to place raised crosswalks or speed humps
2 at an intersection -type location.
3 Those types of devices are better applied if
4 you could apply them in a mid -block area that doesn't impede
5 with driveways, driveway access. There was some discussion
6 about possibly doing curb. extensions and reducing the
7 pedestrian crossing width at the intersection of Hampshire
8 and Valley Forge.'
9 That is a possibility; although, I don't know
10 whether in the City's development review criteria, we could
11 request the developer to implement those type of traffic
12 calming measures since the basic infrastructure of the
13 roadway sidewalk network is already in place. It would be
14 something that we would probably want to work with the
15 neighborhood to try .to mitigate those issues with them
16 outside of the development review process.
17 MS. BELL: Perhaps I wasn't paying attention,
18 but at the intersection of Hampshire Road and Valley Forge
19 Avenue is there stop signs there?
20 MR. JONES: There are stop signs on Valley
21 Forge.
22 MS. BELL: Right there at that intersection
23 as you're•wes.tbound?
24 MR. JONES: There are no stop signs on
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25 Hampshire itself. There is a pedestrian crossing that
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1
crosswalk, .I guess is the one .that sticks in my mind.
2
MR. JONES: We are currently, in the City of
3
Fort Collins, implementing a neighborhood traffic safety
4
program, and we are looking at opportunities to implement.
5
traffic calming measurements on roadways within a
6
neighborhood. This neighborhood does meet that criteria.
7
Hampshire Road, could meet that criteria as.far as the'
8
potential of neighborhood traffic. Safety funds being
9,
expended. A lot of the --
10
MR. BYRNE: Well, I was just going to make
11
the comment, as I was listening to the comments of the
12
neighbors that -- it was another one of those deja vu all
13
over again. It was the Stuart Street discussion, similar,
14
you know collector street that suddenly had more traffic,
15
and we went through the whole speed humps, and how many
16
speed humps, and all that kind of stuff.
17
It appears to me that we're -- we're kind of
18
in the same -- we're headed down the same path, and I'm just
19
curious as to whether the Stuart'Street experience is behind
20
us, or I guess we're still in the midst of it, weren't we?
21
What the current, you know, what the current thoughts are?
22
MR. JONES: I did have a chance to discuss
23
some of the comments with our traffic engineer after the
24
neighborhood meeting at Blevins Junior High in February.
25
And it's.not very desirable. I-t's not impossible, but it's
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1 national warrant criteria for a multi -way stop.
2 It didn't meet the needed volumes at that
3 time for a stop controlled intersection. Valley Forge is
4 ..Stop -- has stop control on the side street. Hampshire does
5 not. There's approximately, at the time we did the study in
6 1996., there were 2,800 vehicles per day entering from the
7 north and from the south into this intersection.
8 There is a traffic signal located at Valley
9 Forge and Hampshire, or Valley Forge and Taft Hill. And.a
10 traffic signal that is at Drake and Taft Hill. Both of
11 those do'operate within the acceptable category for our
12 level of service criteria at signalized intersections. The
13 intersection of Hampshire and Drake Road will.operate at a
14 level service "D" or does operate at level of service "D" at
15 peak hours. T
16 By the -year 2002, the southbound left turn
17 will be operating at a level of service "F" possibly. It is
18 not untypical for a collector roadway that intersects with.
19 an arterial street in the City of Fort Collins to operate at
20 a level of service "E" or worse at peak.hours. But 22 to 23
21 hours. out of an average day, the intersection will operate
22 at a level of service "D" or possibly better. Does that, I
23 guess, answer your questions, Mr. Byrne?
24 MR. BYRNE: No. The traffic calming -- there
25 were a.number of tYiings that were talked about. Raised "
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1 several students that attend the Olander Elementary School
2 that are also bused to that school, and I'm not -- I believe
3 Olander Elementary is off of where are we at? Taft Hill.
4 is down at Horsetooth over in this area.
5 Blevins Junior High is located right here,
6 and then Bauder Elementary is located over in this area
7 here. I did go out. and observe the bus pick up, .and I
8 didn't see any children present at this location, either
9 location, when the bus came by on the day that I did a
10 visual observation.
11 There was another bus stop and a pedestrian
12 crosswalk in the chalet area. .And there were two children
13 that were accompanied by an adult at that bus stop. And I
14 believe the bus stop is either, I'm not sure, is it on -- on
15 this corner here, right. And the bus picks up from this
16 point and then drops off on this side of the street, too.
17. I didn't have a chance to get out there
18 during those hours either. Drop-offs are in the same area..
19 So I don't think there is a school crossing -- a crosswalk
20 in this location here.
21 And I guess in context to the area, Drake
22 Road is an arterial four lane cross section with left turn
23 pockets. Hampshire is a collector street, and in 1996, we
24 did perform a traffic count analysis for the intersection of
25 Valley Forge and Hampshire to evaluate whether that met the
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1. neighborhood meeting:
2 MR. DAVIDSON: I stand corrected.
3 MR. BYRNE: Fred, do you want to'go over, in
4 summary, some of the issues that -- I think.primarily what
5 people are interested is Hampshire, .is it Hampshire Street
6 the collector street?
7 MR. DAVIDSON: Hampshire Road.
g MR. BYRNE: Hampshire Road: And I guess in
9 particular, what I'm interested in.is sort of the location
10 of the school bus stop. The -- any traffic -calming measures
11 that could be feasibly introduced and raised crosswalks,
12 that sort of thing..
13 MS. BELL: And also where the bus -stops are,
14 in addition to the school bus because they're different, I .
15 think, aren.'t they?
16 MR. JONES: Yes, there are two area services,
17 elementary school services, two.different schools.
18 MS. BELL: Which elementary school is it?
19 MR. JONES: There is a walk-in school, and I
20 believe also bused to Bauder Elementary School which is at
2.1 the corner of Fuqua.
22 MS. BELL: And Blevins Junior High is just up
23 on --
24 MR. JONES: Blevins.is on Hampshire - or is
25 on Taft Hill and Stuart Street, and -then there's: also
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1 that was stated that was submitted and reviewed.It was not
2 included in your packet. If you have specific questions
3 related to that, Fred Jones is here to respond.
4 MR. GAVALDON: And in all _fairness to the
5 discussions, I would have an opportunity to read it and give
6 some careful thought to it. I feel that there is
7 significant inputs from the citizens addressing 30 minute
8 waits. We got some discrepancy in numbers as Mark Driscoll
9 had pointed out there across the board. I sure would like
10 to understand the data.
11 MR. DAVIDSON: I would like to echo what
12 Jerry says, too. I'm wondering why we never got them. We
13 get them with most of our projects. I guess the next
14, question that comes to my mind is why this was on the
15 consent agenda to begin with when we have quite a bit of
16 opposition?
17 MR. OLT: Well, in answer to your second
18 question, it was obviously pulled from consent, because we
19 realized at the neighborhood meeting -- the initial .
20, neighborhood meeting took place on the 13th. That's when we
21 made a commitment to move it to discussion.
22 MR. DAVIDSON: I believe I.pulled it though
23 or --
24 MR. OLT: No, we pulled'it. Yes, we pulled
25 it because we heard the concerns .of the neighborhood at the
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1 MS. BELL: Is it in response -- I don't think
2 anybody in the neighborhood talked about architecture.
3 MR. NYRICK: Well, one of the comments I did
4 want to make had to do with pedestrian access.
5. MS. BELL: If you'll limit it to that because
G that's what the rebuttal'is, sir.
7 MR..NYRICK: I'm sorry, I just wanted to make
8 mention of the fact that the current situation for access
9 from Hampshire to the center is not pedestrian -- or not
10 handicap accessible. That you have to walk up -- a
11 wheelchair is not allowed on the walkway, so you would have
12 to walk in the drive as it currently stands. In each of the.
13 pedestrian walkways both to the north and the south are set
14 up for handicap access ramps.
15 MS. BELL: Thank you. I'm going to close the
1G public input and bring it back'to the -Board for questions.
17 I guess we have a obvious problem. Jerry?
18 MR. GAVALDON: I would like to ask if there
19 is a written traffic study that has been eluded to by Mark,
20 and•I don't have any records other than the meeting on the
21 13th of February that we just received tonight. Is there a
22 record that we can have to review? It seems.like they're
23 some significant inputs from the citizens that I believe
24 should be part of the record.
25. MR. OLT: There is. a.formal traffic study
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1 at the corner of Highway 34 and Cleveland there. Both of
2 those offices have been opened 20 years.
3 Both are about $25 million in deposits, this
4 office is starting from zero, so it's a start-up. It will
5 grow, and at some point it will be 25 million in deposits,
6 but the high -- the peak traffic for 40 cars' in an hour at
7 each of those. Who'.s to say whether or not that's what the
8 t.raff.ic will be at this installation, that's hard to say.
9 But some of the numbers, I just want to be sure that'you
10 understand that these numbers could be whatever. they want to
11 be.
12 Our experience says that we can easily handle
13 this traffic that we. don't have a bunch of stack up. We
14 discussed earlier with the City, whatever_ potential they
15 would like to have us do with our pedestrian crosswalks or
16 raised crosswalks, we would entertain that. I think the .
17 staff has some concerns about if that might hinder traffic
18 more than help. I think they have professional expertise.on
19 that.
20 MS. BELL: Okay. Thank you. John, you
21 recommend I further ask somebody?
22 MR. DUVAL: No, I think that covers the
23 issues.
24 MR. NYRICK: May I make one comment
25 architecturally?
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1 7:30 to 8:30 in the morning; is that correct? And the a.m.
2 peak is 170 trips.
Again,
depending not on
whether that is
3 but 4:30 to 5:30 is
what's
typically used as:we
understand.
4 Those trips really
are one.car
in, one car
out. So when we
5 met with the neighbors
on
February 27th, we
said really
6 that's -- you have
to take
those trips and
cut it in half
7 because it couldbe
the same car.
8 30 to.40.percent of trips are already -
9 would already be there because the center is there. So it's
10 not as if the bank is going to create a doubling or a
11 tripling or whatever number of the trips and the number of
12 cars. We really believe, as was read earlier from City
13 Plan, that the bank really is complying and trying to keep
14 with.the spirit of City Plan.
15 one of the things, as I understand City Plan,
16 that is trying to be accomplished, is to reduce the vehicle
17. miles. People driving across town. That you have as many
18 services as possible within the given neighborhood. People
19 do..drive their cars. 'I think we all bemoan the fact that
20 there's too much traffic around, but, in fact, people do
21 drive their cars.
22 We provided some numbers to the neighbors on
23 the.27th of what we actually experienced. Branch banks --
24 we use the example North College Avenue, our branch office
25 there. We used .an example of our branch office in Loveland,
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1 ahead and close the public input portion of this meeting on
2 this topic and bring it back to the Board for discussion.
3 Are there questions that the Board has?
4 MR.'DUVAL:. Madam Chair, I think at this
5 time, perhaps you should give an opportunity for the
6 applicant rebuttal because of the --.
7 MS.. BELL: Was there new information?
8. MR. DUVAL: I think the applicant should
9 always have an opportunity for rebuttal, and then if he
10 raises new information to which there should be surrebuttal.
11 I think that the applicant should always have an opportunity
12 for rebuttal.
13 MS. BELL: Does the applicant wish to rebut?
14 MR. DRISCOLL: I'm not sure rebuttal is the
15 word, but certainly clarification. The traffic numbers are,
16 as you could tell, all over the board. The traffic study
17. that we had commissioned showed at peak periods -- peak
18 a.m. was 68 trips. Do you have that?
19 MS. BELL: Actually, we don't have a traffic
20 study.
21
MR. DRISCOLL: Well, it's really great
22
reading, let
me tell.you. The traffic study, as I
said as
23
peak periods,
five from now, that the trips which
is
24
would be 68 at the a.m. .peak, and the a.m. peak is
wherever
25
it's busiest,
typically. ,Correct me if I'm wrong,
Fred,
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1 I live about a block and a half up and further to the west,
2 and we've lived there about six years now.
3 The Drake Crossing Shopping .Center, I think,
4 is a model for your neighborhood shopping centers. It does .
5 what it was intended to do. It draws people from the
6 neighborhoods, from the Lexington Greens to the east, from
7 Village West, from all the Brown Farm filings, from
8 Hampshire Pond, Hampshire Square, Hampshire Court, Quail
9 Hollow. .People walk to the neighborhood shopping center. I
10 think it's very important that we try to keep that as the
11 City wants to move towards that.
12 Let's not change something around that we
13 already have. My second biggest concern is with the school -
14 bus.safety.. The Hampshire Court school bus pick up and all
15 the Valley Forge and Hampshire school buses along in there..
16 I know a lot of it.seems like, please, not in my backyard,
17 but it really is a neighborhood center.
18 It's been an important part of our
19 neighborhood for a long time, and I think we should just
20 leave it as it is. So I urge the Board to totally reject .
21 the proposal. Thank you.
22 MS. BELL_: Thank you. Is there anybody else
23 who..wishes to speak to the Board on this matter -tonight?-
24 Please come forward if you want to. Going once, going
25 twice. Okay. ,If there isn't anyone else, I'm going.to'go
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1 it, it's not really.-- it's not really a part of it, and in
2 that same -- in that same regard, I guess I've got a copy, I
3 say itts an inner staff memo.
4 I don't know what it is, but the signature
5 looks like Clark on here. This looks like a major impact on
6 the neighborhood. It belongs inside the center not on the
7 residential street, .front lights, fumes, auto oriented
8 commercial use as•the neighborhood interface in the center,
9 you know, so that's just --
10 MS. BELL: Did you want to enter. that as the
11 record?
12
MR.
LINDSTEAD:
If
I can, sure.
13
MS.
BELL: I'd
kind
of like to see it.
14
MR.
LINDSTEAD:
And
that's pretty much
15
everything Ihave.
It's just,
you
know, I hope you'll
16
consider the impact
on the vehicles,
especially to the
17
children and the handicapped.
18 MS. BELL:. Okay. Thank you. Is there
19 anybody else from this part of town that would like to talk
20 to us about this?
21
MR. NYE:
Good
evening, my name is Jim Nye.
22
I live at 2337 Valley Forge Avenue,
and I wanted to speak,
23
first of all, to let you
know,
it's not just a bunch of,
24
"Not in my neighborhood,!'
kind
of people here because most
25
of them are ;on Hampshire
Court
which is directly affected.
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1 designed -- it's more of a residential -- the people that
2 are driving residential area, you're coming from your house
3 and into there, you're more aware of children and things
4 like that.
5
You're not rushing in off of Taft and tearing
6.
in there. There's also just catty -.corner from the bank
intersection there, there's a bus stop. There's another bus
8
stop on down just -- I think between there -and Valley Forge
9
is another bus stop: Buses -- those two stops that I know
10
of -- the one just catty -corner stops at 8:10. So you got.
11
children out there at 8:10 in the morning.
grade -school age.^
12
The peak hours; the morning peak, is at
13
approximately that time. It overlaps that time. So there,
14
you're looking at grade -school age kids out there, and a car
s..
15
16
-- an additional car every 26 seconds, or possibly. I don't
know what else -- also, on the criteria chart that they have
._
17
to go through, you know, like the part of the plan center,_
18
well, you know, it's scored the six points out of the six,:
T
19
in that, to me, if this was in the interior of that center,.
e
F
20
it would be part of that plan center..
P
21
I would have no arguments with it at all. It
22
would be fine. It's not -- it's on the back side of -- and
23
it's'not a planned--- that's not right. The other.-- the.
24
contiguity that's kind of arguable too,.as far as whether
25
it's really -- it's kind of the.same thing. It's next to.
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1 There's a lot of that's also going to flow.
2 into and out of the center now. But the center now doesn't
3 affect us very much, as far as the majority of that traffic
4 coming off of Taft and off of Drake and not coming through ..
.5 Hampshire Court. The way this center now is designed, and
6 the way every center community shopping is, the -- you take
7 a corner out of the backs ofthe businesses are to the
8 residential, and it's inviting the vehicular traffic in off
9 of main streets and into the front.
10 This particular center had excessive parking
11 space behind the buildings. When -they designed that it was
12 a oversight, or what -- it's a. waste of space there, and I
13 understand why they would want to utilize that for us.
14 For us now, it's,a plus. It moves that away.
15 It gives us some extra buffer zone. To do this to it, makes
16 it worse than any of the other ones in town. There aren't
17any other.centers in town that I'm aware of -- have a
18 residential -- or a business on the residential side. And
19 you're just inviting the Hampshire Road is a collector
20 street, and a collector street, by design, is to collect is
21 -= is for collecting the residential traffic, and allowing
22 residential traffic in and out of -- not business traffic.
23 The entrance to the center here on the --.
24 that entrance is way smaller than say your entrance off
25 Taft. It's --.if you go -- drive on, it's definitely
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1 the record..
2 MR. DARENZO: Ron Darenzo. Sorry, the sheets
3 gone.
4 MS. BELL: Oh, we lost the paper. We.do have
5 another podium if someone has to sign in. It will move
6 things along a little bit.
7 MR. LINDSTEAD: My name is Gary Lindste ad. I
8 live on Hampshire Court also. The very first house to the
9 west, first house right there. I have quite a few concerns.
10 Most of them -- I've got three young children. Almost'
11 everybody on Hampshire Court does, and they do -- they play
12 right across the street from us in the retention pond area.
13 The using -- there's a lot of different
14 numbers on'the number of cars-- the amount of cars that".are
15 going to go through there. The bank, itself, says their
16 average is three minutes per transaction -- okay. Three
17 minutes per transaction.' If you're in business, and you're
18 going to put four lanes in there, you do that thinking that
19 you're going to keep those four lanes busy.
20 If you weren't going to keep those four lanes
21 busy during.peak periods, you would have put two in. So if
22 you use the four lanes, then that's a car every 46 seconds
23. that car has to go in and out. So then that's a car going
24 by every 26 seconds. And the majority of those are going to.
.25 use.Hampshire for access.
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notice Key Bank on Harmony and.Lemay opened with a
drive -through: It has since closed the drive -through down.
First Bank has opened, and it never had.a drive -through, so
I'm wondering why First National needs. to have a
drive -through also. When they have a walk-up facility
located inside the structure of this facility that is very
accessible, very attractive building, and.it has good
signage and everything else, and it's not impacting .us at
all.
So I fail to see why they need this drive -up
facility bringing additional -traffic to the residential side
of the center. Another one of my concerns also is, along
with Robins concerns who brought up earlier, is,
accessibility to the center from the people on the west
side. Most people who do walk down, they come down our
street, and they walk right across into the center.
With the.additional traffic, I feel that
would. be =- they. could become potentially hazardous. And if
this is allowed to proceed, I would like to see at least
raised crosswalks going directly to Hampshire Court from
here west. Hopefully that would at least.slow cars down to
allow them to not go as fast as they do presently along ..that
road. And I think that's all I have to say. Thank you very
much
UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Could we get your name for
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11 fringes of it..
2 Being in business, I know why they chose the
3 exterior fringes, you get a lot better visibility.
4 visibility is free advertising, so I can understand why they
5 would want it there, as I understand why I do not want it
6 there. It would be a --'it's a potential conflict between
7 the residents living there, and with our children playing
8 there going in and out.
9 Something else that's directly north and west
10 of here is a retention pond area, and as all of us were kids
11 when we played, if there's a retention pond, it's a big
12 grassy area. That's where the kids are going to be playing.
13 If the ball rolls out in the street, -I don't want it to be
14 my child down there, or I don't want it to be your child:: I
15 don't want it -to be any child down there who is put in that
16 predicament.
17 I also have been looking around at other
18 shopping centers. There.are no other shopping centers like
19 this with the large parking area on the outside. Most of it
.20 just has a aisleway for deliveries behind it, and then the .
21 buildings start. why this was designed this way, I don't
22 know, but this wasn'.t part of the plan originally. The
23 parking area was put there. for. parking, not fora drive -up
24 bank facility.
25 I have also been looking around town, and I
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1 the Community Goals, the City Structure Plan, and the.
2 Policies and Principles. So I'd really encourage -- I'd
3 really encourage Planning and Zoning to take a good look at
4 this and consider that -- that there may not be a real good
5 solution with having an auto oriented interface with the
6 residential.neighborhood in its current design.
7 MS. BELL: Thank you. Sounds like you're
8 very supportive of City Plana That's good.- I just like to
9 remind you that you have four minutes.
10 MR. DARENZO: Okay. Thank you.
11 MS. BELL: You'll hear the little buzzer.
12. MR. DARENZO: Good evening, members of the
13 Board. Thank you for allowing us to speak at this time. I
14 would also like to thank members of the staff for also
15 meeting.with us several times, and of course, members of
16 First National Bank who met with us also for the discussion
17. of this.
18 I also .live on Hampshire. Court which is
19 directly west of this. I feel that my quality of life will
20 be directly impacted by this bank. As you can see, the most
21 easily accessible way in and out of this bank will be on
22 Hampshire Road, as it's even a collector street. We would
23 still rather not have additional traffic on that street. We
24 would rather see the drive -up facility inside of the
25 structure of the building rather than on the exterior.
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1 activity area centers, work and.public facilities." Also
2 creating -- under Principles and Policies, again, "Creating
3 barriers which separate commercial developments from
4 residential areas and transit, should be avoided."
5 I consider .this a barrier to the residential
6 area. Lot patterns should be provided -- should provide
7 safe and direct pedestrian connection from residential
8. areas, to schools,. parks, employment centers. Other
9 neighborhood uses, Principle T-8, says, the "City shall
10 develop secure pedestrian settings. By developing well -lit
11 inhabited pedestrian networks, and by mitigating the impacts
12 of vehicles. And new development should accommodate human
13 activity and pedestrian use.,,
14 And then the very last thing is, again, under
15 Principles and Policies, and they're talking about
16 Neighborhood Center Designs. "A neighborhood center should
17 be -- either be .designed in collaboration with residents or
18 otherwise be custom designed by its developer to reinforce
19 the positive identity, character, comfort, and convenience.
20 of the surrounding neighborhood. Access for pedestrians and
21 bicyclists should be a priority."
22 So again, basically to sum it up, I feel this
23 development is incompatible with the direction the City is
24 taking in its Land Use Code. I feel it conflicts with the
25 stated community values, with the stated Community Visions,
24 .
1 there's also is things in City Structure that I'll skip, but
2 there's a lot of things that, again, basically are
3 encouraging, you know, pedestrian and other --bicycling and
4 other modes of travel.
5 Under City Structure Plans, it 'says
6 "Neighborhood commercial centers," which is what this is,
7 "With supermarket; shops, and services will be designed to
8 encouragewalking and will be better oriented to the .
9 neighborhoods that they serve." Again, better oriented.
10 This is not a good orientation for the community center to
11 beto the neighborhood.
12 Under Principles and Policies, these are the
13 last things that I'll cover. It says the "Spirit of
14 Fort Collins principles and policies, it strives to achieve
15 fair and,proper balance among conflicting interest to
16 protect the rights of citizens, and to affirm community
17 values as they have been expressed by citizens throughout
18 the planning process," which one of the main community
19 values, is to increase other forms of transportation.besides
20 automobiles.
21 Principle T-5, the "City will acknowledge
22 pedestrian travel as a viable transportation mode, and
23 elevate it in importance to be in balance with other modes.
24 Direct pedestrian connections will be provided and
25 encouraged from place of residence to transit schools,
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1 necessary to sustain .the neighborhood."
2 MS. BELL: Excuse me, are you getting fairly
3 near? The buzzer --
4 MR. ACKERSON: Oh, is that the --.
5 MS. ACKERSON: My name is Beth Ackerson,
6 could'I give my four minutes over to him?
7 MS. BELL: You could do that, sure. Okay.
8 Thanks.
9 MR. ACKERSON: Again, and then under
10 Community Goals, it continues to say under Land Use,
11 "Renovation and expansion will be viewed as opportunities to
12 make these areas more accommodating to pedestrians,
13 bicyclists, mass transit, and mass transit users and cars."
14 And I just, again, don!t feel that that is including,
15 particularly, pedestrians and bicyclists.
16 Let see, boy, there's just -- there's so;many
17 things in here that are important. Under -- under
18 Transportation, again, it says, "Street standards and site
19 planning requirements for development and redevelopment will
20 ensure direct accessibility by pedestrians, bicycles, public.
21 transit vehicles, and cars. And pedestrian facilities will
22 elevate the importance of.the pedestrian. The pedestrian
23 will be. given, in equal consideration with other modes
24 within the shared public space of the street system
25 encouraging walking for shorter trips within the City.." ,And
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1 over many. different routes."
2 And under another value, Fairness. "Fairness
3 is having, among other things, equal access and mobility."
4 Under the Community vision aspect,it says, one .of the
5 primary things Fort Collins wants to do is, "Fort Collins
6 will confront and mitigate the influence of the car on our
7 lives. And in doing that., it wants -- it states in here,
8. "New development and redevelopment will be organized and
9 woven into a compact pattern that is .conducive to
10 pedestrian, bicycle, and public transit."
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Travel,
"All modes
will be
safe
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efficient." And again,
I just don't
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the car thing for one
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safe for pedestrians
primarily._
Under Land Use
15 -- continuing under Community Goals. Under Land Use, it
16 says, "Existing residential neighborhoods will be protected
17 against development that is incompatible with community
18 goals and needs. Infill and redevelopment will be built on
19 ...unique and positive qualities of the neighborhood.in dynamic
20 and creative ways which respect the character of the
21 neighborhood.",
22 And then under Neighborhood Shopping Centers,
23 "There will be designed and pedestrian oriented gathering
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providing goods
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1 whatever you're doubling or tripling the amount of vehicles
2 that are actually coming in and out of that west access.
3 I really believe in that reviewing the City
4 Land Use Plan that Planning and Zoning just sent to the City
5 Council to be voted on, that they just approved. In
6 reviewing that, there are some things that I really feel
7: that this development is totally incompatible.with. And I
8 would like to kind of goover some of,those things real
9 quickly.
10 Again, I just feel that this isn't the way
11 that the City is moving to make things more pedestrian
12 oriented, more accessible to things other than automobiles.
13 I believe that this'is an auto oriented interface to a
14 residential neighborhood. The residential neighborhood is
15 directly west of that and northwest of that,_and this isy,.
16 auto oriented interface to that and doesn't make sense to
17 me. I feel that it should be within -- if they are going to
18 have a drive -up facility, it should be within the center.
19 Under Community Vision.and.Goals, it talks
20 about some of the community values. And under Fulfillment,
21 it says, we will -- well, first, our community should be
22 safe, clean, and sensitive to the needs of our citizens.
23 "We will'be.able to move easily throughout the community.
24 Walkways, bikeways, and streets, will allow pedestrians,'
25 bicyclists., -and motorists to move.comfortably and safely
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1 "E." And by the year 2002, it will be a level 'IF." In the
2 traffic report itself, they encourage that in the
3 conclusions, that there really needs to be some kind of
4 light.
5 It's recommended that the City 'install a.
6 traffic signal at the intersection as part of ongoing
7 construction effort in that area. And it sounds like that's
8 not a reality for the City to do that. And we -- some of us.
9 tend to agree with that. The light is going to be very
10 close to Drake Road. Drake Road, during peak hours, already
11 gets backed up past Hampshire.
12 It's a total nightmare, so what we are
13 looking*at is -- my understanding is, that at peak hours in
14 the p.m. time from -- I don't know, I think it's from 3:3.0
15 to 5:30 or something in that area, there would be 82 to 85..
16 cars that would enter and exit into the drive -up banking
17 facility only, per hour. 82 to 85.cars per hour. Which is
18 significantly more than anything that goes in there
19 currently. And leaving the motor bank, I believe it is 76
20 of the 82 to 85.will leave from the west access. And either
21 turn right or left.
22 My biggest issue with thiswhole thing is,
23 again, pedestrian safety. You can improve the sidewalks,
24 and you can improve the curb cuts and things like that, but.
25 that's doesn't improve pedestrian safety when you're --
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1 basically people west, and Quail Hollow, and I guess it
2 would be Browns Farm west off Rambouillet, and those other
3 streets. They walk down Drake Road to access the center,..
4 and basically, if you even .look at the landscaping at the
5 corner -- the northwest corner of Drake and Hampshire,
6 there's -- they cut across here and basically just cut right
7 across the street here.
8 So it's the pedestrian access is primarily
9 between Drake and this area except for the neighborhoods
10 that are north of there that are off Hampshire itself. But
11 there's a canal that runs back west of our neighborhood that
12 runs north and south that basically cuts off.access for
13 people. So they either need to take Drake, or they need to
14 take Stuart and come down Hampshire.
1.5 So I just want to point.that out as far as in
16 our considering this discussion. From what I understand and
17 what the traffic report that the City received from
18 Kim Leah Horn & Associates, currently the traffic at the
19 intersection of Drake and Taft Hill is currently considered
20 the level of service of "D." "A" being the.least and
21 whatever.
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22 I don't know how high it goes up to, but that
23 level "D" is. what Drake and Taft is. This intersection at
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24 Hampshire and Drake is currently, I believe, a level "D".
25 With .the bank, they. foresee it to be increased to a level
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foresight in this case, so we
don't look back in
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this was. The
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is, that this facility has no
place on a
4 residential
street. Thank you.
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MS. BELL: Thank you. Did
you sign in?
6 Could I
have
the next person come up, please,
who wishes to
7 talk with us.
8 'MR..ACKERSON: Good evening. My name is
9 Chip Ackerson. I live on the Hampshire Court -- in the
10 Hampshire Court subdivision which is directly west of this
11 drawing. If I could, I would like.to go over here and kind
12 of point out some things that are missing from the drawing.
13 Where's the pointer?
14 MS. BELL': Could you take the microphone with
15 you..
16 MR. ACKERSON: This doesn't show that
17 Hampshire Court is directly west of here. It's a
18 one -street cul-de-sac that is directly west of .this access
19 point here.. .Valley Forge is up north a ways. There's --
20 for pedestrians that =- that currently walk to the
21 Drake Crossing Shopping Center, there's no access through.
22 any of the neighborhoods north -- north of Drake for a long
23 ways
24 It's probably half a mile to the nearest bike.
25 trail that actually cuts through the neighborhoods. So
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1 traffic. You know, informational meeting on the 13th of
2 February at Blevins High School.
3 Fred Jones, the City Traffic Engineer told us
4 that they're estimating 100 to.150 cars per lane in that
5 drive -through facility. That's 600',cars in,.600 cars out.
6 That's 1200 vehicle trips per day. The vast majority of
7 which will enter and exit on Hampshire Road. He also told
8 us, Fred Jones did, that current traffic on Hampshire Road
9 is about 1200 vehicles per day.
10 So we are looking at an almost instantaneous
11 doubling of traffic on a residential street. And I take
12 issue too, with the estimated traffic at the bank.
13 Currently there is only one bank west of College Avenue
14 which is the Poudre Valley Bank on West Horsetooth. Now
15 assuming most residents east of Shields go to the banks on r
16 College Avenue, that leaves over 10 square miles.of city
17 property that are potential customers for this proposed
18 facility. Now, if the bank and City are wrong in their
19 traffic projections, I hardly think the bank is going.to
20 pack up and move elsewhere.
21 ..Two years ago, this week, a child in my
.22 son's first grade class was hit.and killed by a speeding
23 motorist on West Lake Street. It took that tragedy to get
24 the City to install speed bumps and stop signs on. that
25 street. Now I ask you, ladies and. _gentlemen to exercise a
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1 more severely impaired then I. Because I do know that this
2 is -- it will be very difficult to learn how to remaneuver.
3 I just ask plugging your ears, take out your corrective
4 lenses. You try it. You try it during peak hours in
5 traffic, and then you might - I.hope that you would
6 understand then how difficult it is.
7 And I'm here tonight to say -- I would like
8 hopefully, in part give you my viewpoint, but also. to
9 potentially represent other individuals in our community
10 that are considered a minority as far as being disabled to
11 whatever extent. My last observation is my brother-in-law.
12 He's in wheelchair from Vietnam. He cannot, at this point
13 in time, cross that street and not. be a target for someone'
14 that is not paying attention. And that's with a standard
15 wheelchair, nonmotorized.
1,6 And so that's something to think about,
17 please. I hope something can be done to take us into
18 consideration, but then also to the rest of Hampshire Court
19. community. And thank you.
20 MS. BELL: Thank you. Who would like to
21 address us next,.please?
22 MR..ROSCOE: My name is Bob Roscoe. I'm a
23 property owner and resident. on Hampshire Court. The issue,.
24 as far as the neighborhood residents are concerned, I think
25 I speak for.most of them, is traffic. I said.the.issue is
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1 don't hear the whole impact, but I feel the vehicle passing..
2 People are not considerate of pedestrians at
3 that location, and my concern is, that I'm not as impaired
4 as -- I. feel lucky. There are a lot of other individuals
5 that utilize that shopping center that are completely' blind
6 or no hearing. I would suggest that you do -some form of
7 investigation to make that accessible for deaf and blind.
8 At present, the structure that is there for,
9 maybe, you individuals might be easy for. you to walk along
10 the sidewalks, but for me.they're too uneven. They have
11 been pitted because of the road gravel and/or like salt
12 mixture. It's very difficult for me to -use sidewalk, so:I
13 use road. We walk on asphalt. s:
14 And also that picture right there is to a
15 handicap person_-- I can't see it ,clearly, I mean, that'.s a
16 nightmare because I will now have to learn how to manipulate
17 around all of that. To learn to manipulate around the'.
18 vehicles. And there is nothing there at this point in .time,
19 unless I have lost it, that helps me from one point, which
20 is Hampshire Court, across Hampshire into the parking lot
21 and then on to the facilities that are offered there at
22 Drake Crossing.`
23 I'm -= I'm scared because I don't drive. I',m
24 dependant on her. I'm home 100 percent. And I would like
25 to. see something addressed for other individuals that are
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1 Hampshire Court to the entryway that is on display. And.
2 from an observational view, I do not know if any studies
3 have been done as far as the impact of vehicles. But I did
4 stand for a half an hour, just a random time, a random day,
5 and for me to cross that street,. I.first have to know that
6 no cars are there to hit me.
7 That is her job to hear them for me. It will
8 at. the one time that I did my observational random
9 critique, and 40 vehicles in during a half hour period of
10 time, entered or exited out of that entryway from the --
11 what I call Drake Crossing, and that was not taking into
12 consideration individuals that were simply turning from
13 Drake and heading north on Hampshire.
14 So these are people.that actually were
15 entering that complex. At present, for me to do that, there
16 are times when it's like five -- five minutes at times
17 during peak hour of shopping before I can actually walk
18 across the road. And also too, even though I have -- I
19 don't think I can get much bigger of a dog.
20 She is at a point in training where we are
21 working on several.attempts since I walk to and from store.
22 I have had individuals as I cross -- a vehicle comes from
23 out of her sight or hearing when I'm walking the street.
24 Individuals will actually, if they are headed south, they
25 will go right behind us ..into the northbound lane to where I
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1 things are not clear, let me know.
2 MS. BELL: Thank you. You're doing a good
3 job. Wait just a minute.
4 AUDIENCE SPEAKER: I know a very .little
5 amount. If there's some question, I can.probably at least
6 spell it out.
7 MS. BELL: Okay. It's sounding pretty clear
8 to me. Let's go ahead and proceed like this, and if we run
9 into any difficulties, then we will have you come forward.
10 Thank you. All right. Go ahead and proceed.
11 MS. ROBIN: My name is Robin. I had
12 purchased a home in the Hampshire Court prior to my
13 accident. I am now a hundred percent homebound. I can no ^
14 •longer drive. Prior to accident, I was a veterinarian that
15- was working in the capacity of a epidemiologist for the
16 Center for Animal Disease Control, here in Fort Collins.
17 With that as a background, I have several
18, medical-issues,.and some of them I think are representative
19 of other individuals that I have seen like in the stores.
20 I'm not alone. The --_my concerns are that, at present,
21 since I.am not driving, I'm no longer on home -care. I'm
22 still in rehabilitation. My service dog is still in
23 training.
24 That -- at this point in time, it is very .
25 di-fficult for me and my dog to simply cross the street from
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2 MS. BELL: You wish to speak too, sir?
3 MR. NYRICK: Only if there are questions
4 about some of the design aspects. One of the things that we
5 did do as a part of this is significantly enhance the
6 pedestrian walkway capabilities. Currently the walkways
7 that exist as a part of the drive are not handicap
8 accessible. Plus we've also provided illuminated bowlers
9 along each of the walkways to reinforce the pedestrian
10 character of each the traffic patterns.
11 MS. BELL: Does the Board have.any questions
12 of the applicant? I guess not. Thank you.
13 MR. DRISCOLL: Okay. Great. Thank you.
14 MS. BELL:: Is there any member of the
15 audience tonight who would like to come forward and address
16 us on this issue? If there is, please come forward and sign
17 in your name. .Are there quite a few of .you? Raise your
18 hand, please, if you want to talk to us. Okay. Go ahead
19 and come. on down one at a time, and we will give you each
20 four minutes to speak, please, and you'll hear a beep when
21 your time is up. where is our clock person? Okay.
22 MS. ROBIN: No one knows sign language?
23 MS. BELL: Not anyone here. Do we have
24 anyone present in the audience or on staff who.knows sign?
25 MS. ROBIN:..I will go ahead and speak. If
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1 cut down trips and the.number of miles people have to drive
2 to make trips to the bank or to the store, we think we have
3 chosen a good site for this. We.have a facility open now,
4 it's a 1800 square foot kind of typical branch bank
5 facility.
6 And in order to operate a full -service
7 banking, we believe we need to have a drive -up facility. We
8 have designed a facility, we think, will handle the traffic
9 levels well into the future. At our second neighborhood
10 meeting, we provided some actual numbers from our experience
11 being the business of the number of cars that might come -in
12 and.out of the facility based on our experience with the
13 numbers of cars and the transaction times, we feel like
14 there will be very little stacking of cars..
15 .-.I think the neighbors were primarily
16 concerned about the numbers of cars in the coming in and out
17 and the stack up. And we feel like the last meeting that we
18 divided numbers that hopefully would lay some of the
19 concerns about the traffic -- we think.we have responded to
20 some of .the concerns about the pedestrians with improvements
21 on both sides of that -- of. that driveway through`-- into
22 the shopping center where people have a place that's lit and
23 they know exactly where to go and walk, and the cars will
24 know that pedestrians are there.
25 so we'd like to have your support on the
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There is a current pedestrian crosswalk and
school crosswalk at the intersection of Hampshire and Valley
Forge, and it is striped as a crosswalk, but other than.
that, speed humps at an intersection like that, are not real
feasible. They're more of a mid -block type of installation,
and we had told the neighbors, at the neighborhood meeting,
that we would work with them regardless of whether this
development was approved or not to mitigate some of their
issues and concerns about pedestrian safety.
MR. GAVALDON: Okay. Thank you.
MS. BELL: Any other questions of the Board?
Let's go ahead and move on to the applicant. Is the
applicant here, and do they wish to address us on this
topic?
MR. DRISCOLL: Madam Chairman, and members of
the Board, my name is Mark Driscoll with the First National
Bank. I have Bob Nirick here with NWS Studios, the
architect. In our effort to continue to serve the
community, we do a lot of market research, look at where our,
next best location would be, and, we've chosen this location
in the southwest part of town for lots of reasons.
We have a.lot of existing customers in this
part of the community. Really, in the spirit of trying to
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1 question.
2 MR. GAVALDON: In the notes from the
3 neighborhood meeting, it is addressed in points 48, 49, 50,
4 about crosswalks and some of the concerns that the
5 neighborhood has brought up. .Has there been any efforts
6 made there?
7 MR. OLT: There's been lengthy discussion.
8 What I think I'd like to do at this point in time is --
.9 Fred Jones from our transportation department is here. We
10 have talked in length about that. We have actually.a second
11 neighborhood meeting since the notes that you received,' and
12 I would like Fred to address that question.
13 MR. GAVALDON: Fair enough.
14 MR. JONES: Could you repeat your question.
15 again, Jerry, please..
16 MR. GAVALDON: Oh, okay. In the neighborhood
17 meeting minutes, points 50 and 51 -- points 49 through 51,
18 talk about some of the crosswalks at Valley.Forge and
19 Hampshire, and even a question about getting some speed
20 bumps there. My question is, has there been any efforts
21since this meeting to address'those issues?
.22 MR. JONES: No. there really has not. In'the
23 neighborhood meetings, we had discussed the pedestrian
24 accessibility to Hampshire Court, and through that, some
25 landscaping and some improvements.to.the walkways, as they
1. Board might have for the staff?
2 MR. DAVIDSON: Steve, how far -- do you have
3 a shot or a layout drawing showing the distance'of the
4 day-care center playground, as far as proximity to both the
5 drive -up land and also the exit lane?
6 MR. OLT: I can just tell you, Mr. Davidson,
7 that I personally paced off from the sidewalk to the
8 building, which is the day-care facility. I paced that off.
9 That's approximately 120 feet. They do have an outside
10 fenced in play area which would come back, let's say, 20 to
11. 30 feet. So 'from this curb to the playground would be in a
12 range of 80 to 100 feet. Then you've got the standard
13 65-foot cross section here parking, driveway 'parking,
14 another 10 to 15 feet here.
15 So from the playground -- what am.I saying,
16 we are looking at approximately 80 -- 65 to 70 -- 150 to 160
17 feet to this first lane. To the. building it would be
18 another 20 to 30 feet, almost 200 feet.
19 MR. DAVIDSON: Okay. Thanks...
20 MS, BELL: Anything else?
21 MR. GAVALDON: Steve, in reading the notes
22 that were provided for me tonight, there were some questions
23 about crosswalks at. Valley Forge and Hampshire Streets. Has
24 there. been any efforts made on that?
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MS. BELL: Okay. Thanks. I understand that..
Now, my other question has to do with the landscaping. As
the cars are coming, I,guess that they'd be coming in south
there, and the headlights would be going out on to Drake
Road, is the -- are the plantings there going to be high
enough to provide a little bit of buffering for that because
I -would feel like if I were driving on Drake, that would be
a good thing to have.screened and buffered.
MR. OLT: That's our belief that they are.
There's already numerous Evergreen trees here somewhere in
the neighborhood of three to four. They will be adding
additional evergreen trees. They will be adding extensive
shrub plantings, both evergreen and deciduous, which will -
are high enough.
It's raised as well, so there is some height
from the surface across to the street, and, yes, they will
be providing extensive landscaping there which would
substantially mitigate the headlights, and realize this
facility will close at 6:00 o'clock in the evening. So
there's a limited time in the winter hours where there would
be really any headlight.effect to the south.
MS. BELL: But in the winter, there's.at
least an hour or._so there that would be a factor.
MR. OLT: That's correct.
MS. -BELL:- Okay. Any other questions the
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1 to be very compatible with the existing center.
2 With that, I'd like to complete my
3 presentation. If there are any questions before we move on
4 to the applicant, I would be glad to answer. I do have
5 slides if you would like to see the site.
6 MS. BELL: Steve, I just have two questions.
7 They're mainly clarification questions. So to get in here,
8 you would come, theoretically, maybe down Drake on to
9 Hampshire Road and then down to what is -- is it Valley
10 Forge?
11 MR. OLT: No, Valley Forge .is to the north,
12 quite a bit to the north. This is a driveway, private
13 driveway into the center'.
14 MS. BELL: Oh,.I see. Okay.
15 MR. OLT: ..Okay. There's an archway --
16 archway between buildings on .either side of that, north and
17 south of that, that takes you right into the center.
18 MS. BELL: So that entrance is already.there?
19 MR. OLT: That entrance is. already there. It
20 exists, that's correct. And then these two curb cuts into
21 the center exist. The change would be necking this down,
22. bringing traffic in one way, this way, continuing around up
23 to the north. This would be two-way, obviously, to allow
24 for parking to come in and out. That is perpendicular
25 parking. The driveway width is sufficient for .that.
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1 drive lanes into the shopping center. They're also
2 proposing to widen the islands to the north. Those now are
3 narrow islands landscaping on the north side and attached
4 sidewalk, again, to the curb.
5 They. would be detaching this sidewalk,
6 putting landscape on either side, therefore, pedestrians
7 would have good, convenient movement on either. side of the
8 driveway into the shopping center. As you can see, there is
9 extensive landscaping being.proposed. They're also
10 proposing in this location a masonry wall that is to be 30
11 to 36 inches in height. You would have to verify that with
12 the architect on this. I'm not sure, but there is proposed
13 serpentine wall in this location of 36 inches in height. It`"
14 is to be masonry..
15 It's going to be brick, which will match'the
16 building, which will match the existing center, it will' be
17 all brick building of the._same color as the center of the
18 wall, again, would match that. This canopy would be a green
19 canvas material over the building and over the drive lanes:.
20 This would match green canopies that exist on
21 the building material to the center that houses several
22 uses, the Pringle Brothers.Liquor -- in terms of the more
23 visible uses, the Pringle Brothers Liquor, the Pulcinella
24 Restaurant, and the recently opened walk-up First National'
25 Bank facility." So you would have materials that are going
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1 There is existing parking along the south
2 side of the site presently facing West Drake Road. That
3 parking is proposed to be eliminated.
4 The drive lanes then.would come south.out of
5 the banking facility, curve around and go back up to the
6 driveway, and then disburse either to the east into the
7 shopping center or to the west back to Hampshire Road. They
8 are retaining approximately 28 parking spaces in this
9 location for shared use between the bank; although, there
10 will be very limited, of course, parking needs for the bank.
11 There are proposed to be three employees at
12 any given time in this facility; therefore, this would be
13 shared.parking.for the shopping center as well. You have
14 various uses, many of them have been long term in the
1-5. shopping center. It!s been a very stable shopping center
16 with limited turnover for an extended.period of time.
17 What is being proposed is,. in lieu of
18 parking, and again, there are a couple of landscape islands.
19 what they would be proposing in this plan is widening the
20 existing pedestrian access .which does have a sidewalk,
21 attached sidewalk to the curb, on the south side of the
22 driveway at this time. These islands would be widened.
23 The sidewalk would be detached. There would
24 be landscapingthen on either side of the sidewalk. So you
25 would get, in this case, good pedestrian movement across the
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1 Road, the existing Hampshire Road, and this is the
2 intersection with West Drake Road.
3 There's an existing driveway into the First
4 National Bank Plaza Shopping Center in this location. 'You
5 have an existing parking lot to the north. These two curb
6 cuts do exist. This is the existing parking lot in the
7 shopping center today. These -two curb cuts do exist.
8 There would be some modifications to all of these that I
9 will get into momentarily. Again, this is basically an open
10 parking lot. There are couple of landscape islands within
11 the parking lot. But essentially it's a large parking
12 facility for 71 cars presently. -
13 With this plan, they propose to.narrow down
14 and neck down the entrance which would be a one-way entrance
15 into the drive -up facility. There would be then four lanes..
16 as you can see coming into the facility. We have a proposed
17 building right here, a small building just over 400 square
18 feet. A canopy over the building extending over.the west
19 curb cut -- or curb and gutter on the west side of the
20 facility.
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1 MS. BELL: Okay. Moving right along to Item
2 Number 3, 35-96, Drake Crossing, First National Bank
3 drive -up facility. Could we begin with the staff report,
4 please, Steve.
5 MR. OLT: Good evening. I'd like to locate
6 this for you. The First National drive -up facility is .
7 located in the, what was formally, the, Drake Crossing'
8 Shopping Center.. That's this area in red. 'It's at the
9 northwest corner of South Taft Hill Road and West Drake
10 Road. To put this in context of the neighborhood,. again,
11 what is now First National Bank Plaza Shopping Center, is in
12 this location.
13 We have single family residential to the
14 north. To the west there is an evolving. single family
15 neighborhood. To the south this is multi -family in this
16 location. The site, itself, is at the southwest corner of
17 the shopping center. 'The center, as everyone is probably
18 aware, has been in existence for many years. This site is
19 an existing parking lot.
20 It was developed as such; therefore, First
21 National drive -up facility, which was not part of the
22 approved Drake Crossing Shopping Center PUD, is required to
23 go through an amendment to that Planned Unit Development,
24 and if allowed, would allow the propose use being a drive -up
25 banking facility. To the left of this slide, is Hampshire
MEETING BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Held Monday,, March 10, 1997
At Fort Collins City Council Chambers
300 West Laporte Avenue
Fort Collins, Colorado
Concerning Drake Crossing Shopping Center PUD, First National Bank Drive -up Facility
Members present:
Gwen. Bell, Chairman
Alex Chapman
Jerry Gavaldon
Mike Byrne
Bob Davidson.
For the City:
Bob Blanchard, City Planner
John Duval, City Attorney's Office
Steve Olt, City Planner