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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDRAKE CROSSING SHOPPING CENTER (FIRST NATIONAL BANK DRIVE-UP) - AMENDED FINAL PUD - 35-96 - MINUTES/NOTES - CORRESPONDENCE-NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING' NE1"11B.O.RHOOD-INFORMATION MEETING_ _ for -- - -Project: �, 045> Meeting Location: City.` -of FgrE'Collms :Date: Attendees: Please sign this sheet. The information will be used to - update the project mailing list and confirm attendance at neighborhood -H { C meetings. Contact the Planning Department (221-6750) if you wish to receive minutes of this meeting. . Did You Receive -Correct Written NotificationAddress? of this meeting? Name Address Zip Yes No Yes No srso �4 km�i R o IZeM 7 o Z 3'/ k oM s% FTC oft s1 L are L wyet s fed f .- JD/ I/aM 1�i;ic c� FF rvn o ber+7ar* Lllq _FVsat �j F . &es2 /23i8 X 019NOV Pue a 33- e ES a nss Fe-e6 S6Y C+ X 52. 1 think the site is too small for this project. A. This is a standard size all around the country. This is actually a large space for this facility. FINAL NOTES..... NEIGHBORHOOD will meet at the new bank on the evening of Thursday, the 27th of February. PURPOSE: Encourage better design, traffic, landscaping, talk about drive -up elimination, auto interface on neighborhood, etc.... 42. My home backs up to Drake and there are times when I have to close the door because of fumes. I can't imagine how it will be for Gary (neighbor). A. As it faces--- that home has one window on that side. 43. 1 think the sign, "Coming Soon-- Drive-thru," is just arrogance. -what suggestions do you have here? -see traffic dump onto Taft -exit into the center is better 44. You have gone through the time and effort for a good plan. It is a nice plan. It's the pedestrians that concerns me. A. That is our concern too. We don't want to "hurt" the kids. 45. (staff)The neighborhood center is designed to reduce vehicle miles traveled. 46. This doesn't seem to be in line with what the city promotes. If there is some way to mitigate pedestrian traffic.... 47. We didn't hear about this until later in the process. We called the Planning Department and they said that there would be no meeting. STEVE... We didn't think the neighborhood meeting was necessary at this stage.... 48. 1 would like to ask that we have a working session with you. STEVE... There is no doubt in my mind that one of you will be at the P&Z meeting to pull the item. You won't need all of you there. We, the City, can continue it. I will take the responsibility to do it. -agreeable to continue -school bus issue -pedestrian crossing street -right at Hampshire 49. Could we get speed bumps? A. We will work with the bank--- possible raised crosswalk. 50. The crosswalk at Valley Forge and Hampshire does not work! 51. Isn't that something that the city can help with? A. We have adopt. pedestrian plan... -write city ordinance... 34. (CONSUL.) Could we move the walk-up to the ATM to the north side, I wonder? -put in north sidewalk? STEVE... the sidewalk now is narrow and pushed out by plants.... 35. The bad thing is putting all that traffic onto the residential side. We don't see much traffic now. 36. Is there any way to force cars to take a right out of the lot? So they would go onto Drake instead? A. It is better this way. When you have a shopping center like this it is better to have multiple access. I don't feel all of the traffic will come out to Hampshire. The majority probably will, but there will be some who make secondary stops for groceries, gas, etc.... 37. What would your response be to the fumes? A. I have done several evaluations of drive -up facilities. First National, credit union..... for the most part, you would be surprised at how many times per day there are no cars there at all. They are not as intrusive as you think. 3& What would the city do if it was not a safe intersection? A. They would measure the number of pedestrians, gaps in traffic, etc .... Then if deemed, for a pedestrian crosswalk, we would be obligated to put it in. A request has not been done for this at this time. 39. How long has it been since you have measured the traffic flow on Hampshire? A. It has been a while ... -with this project & Hampshire Pond-- recent counts 40. So with the widening of Taft Hill, wouldn't that bring in more traffic? A. We will never build our way out of traffic. -It increases 1.5% per year. 41. What does this do to property values in the neighborhood? A. I don't think this will effect property values. It will enhance the neighborhood. 24. 1 also have an issue of car fumes. I don't think we should have to deal with that. 25. There will be many hundreds of cars on a residential street. That is a big impact on the neighborhood. A. From my understanding, it is very low impact. 26. When that PUD was passed, our streets did not exist. 27. There is no space inside the shopping center? A. From what we see, no. STEVE... One reality is that the parking lot is under used. 28. Could you move some retail out and use that? A. There would be more traffic congestion in the center itself. 29. Does the city plan on doing any study of the pedestrian traffic? A. The guidelines are being revised. I don't have the established criteria to look at now at this time. 30. What type of traffic would it take on Hampshire to deny traffic? A. Hampshire is a collector street. -could take 3500 to 5000 vehicles per day -is currently at 1200 per day 31. 1 have to cross my son across the street every day. Some days it takes me 5 minutes! A. I have seen this there. (Though I personally doubt that it takes 5 minutes.) 32. There are 2 busses that stop there. One at 8:00 am and another at 8:30 am. A. Those are valid concerns. 33. It feels like we are getting our neighborhood center grabbed awayfrom us. Nowwe are getting the worst thing possible, a drive-thru bank. That's a dangerous precedent to set. 13. (CITY W/TRAFFIC) If the neighborhood could go right onto Hampshire .......... or left.... The major argument will be the southbound left turn - they don't instal signals based on peak hour traffic 14. If you had a choice of going through the neighborhood or a shopping center, which way would you go?! 15. My concern is, at any shopping center, banks aren't in the residential area. Now you take the business section and put it on the residential side. That doesn't fit with anything else in the city. 16. My concern is the pedestrian traffic. That area is frequently used by pedestrians. If it was inside the center it would be OK, but now it's on the edge. There are kids bus stops through there. 17 The fourth lane will be for the ATM? A. Yes, there will be 3 full service lanes with the ability for a 5 car stack. 18. At a facility this size, there is no way to get 150 cars per hour. This is much smaller than the others. 19. Where will the cars sit to wait for the lanes? A. The concept is to have the fourth lane to be a dual purpose lane -- with an ATM and a teller available. 20. What if we have a back-up problem? Will it go out to Hampshire? A. If we do, I guess it will go out to Hampshire. 21. This could serve everyone from Shields to the west. This is too large for this location. A. Normally if you see a long line, you would pass it and come back at a later time. OR... they'll lose business... OR... they could go up to the walk-up facility. 22. We should just have the walk-up. There would be less traffic. 23. In regards to the historic data, would this include this being a drive -up facility? A. We have 2 larger facilities right now and 150 cars are highly unusual. NOTE: That is total trips in and out. maintenance -fairly large trees 3. What about signage? A. There will be a 2 ft. x 2 ft. sign at the entrance, accessible from both sides. On the building, there will be a couple of logos to communicate what bank we are. 4. Are there any lit signs? A. The only one is the one at the corner of Drake now. 5. Where is the ATM walkway? A. The walkway to the ATM is off of Hampshire. It is directly aligned with the ATM machine. It wall also be about as tall as 4 feet high, so not so easy to see from the street. (or the neighborhood!) 6. Where is the night depository? A. The night depository is actually part of the building. 7. Do you have a projected number of cars per day? A. Intended neighbor facility-- maximum 100-200 cars over an 11 hour period. -banking history --study 8. (CITY W/TRAFFIC) The city requires a traffic impact analysis. - average 50-150 cars per lane for drive-thru - part of the % from neighborhood and shopping center... -cut down on other car trips 9. Since there's already a full service bank, then they wouldn't have to drive through town anyway. 10. I'm sure that it is beautiful, but the traffic will be horrible. It will impact my lifestyle but help yours! 11. Why do you have to have 4 lanes? A. So you don't have to wait. 12. 1 feel that 80% of the cars will go out on Hampshire. City of Fort Collins Commmuty Planning and Environmental services Current Planning NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING MINUTES PROJECT: First National Bank Drive -up at Drake Crossing DATE: February 13, 1997 APPLICANT: First National Bank STAFF: Steve Olt, City Planner INTRO. NOTES..... -to P&Z February 24th-- final (was submitted in December) -Staff recommendation is approval -low scale building/drive-thru -walk up and drive-thru ATM -landscaping, walkways, non-traditional canopy -compatible with shopping center//same brick, color, etc.... -focus lighting downward to cars .... low level *not too bright at night -will close bank drive -up at 6 pm -canopy shade trees along Hampshire and Drake -4 lanes, approximately 23 parking spaces -dense planting/multi-color along Drake ...30 inch corner wall ...to hide cars -15 feet high at the peak of the building Do the bushes "drop their leaves" in the winter? A. Some do, yes. 2. So in the winter you can see through the trees? A. Yes. -most plants grow to approximately 50 inches and are not high 281 North College Avenue • P.O. Box 580 • Fort Collins, CO 80522-0580 • (970) 221-6750 FAX (970) 221-6378 • TDD (970) 224-6002 Community Planning and Environmental services Current Planning City of Fort Collins MEMORANDUM Date: March 7, 1997 To: Planning and Zoning Board From: Steve Olt4xje__� Re: First National Bank Drive -Up Facility at First National Bank Plaza Attached are the Neighborhood Meeting Minutes from the meeting that was held on February 13, 1997. These minutes become part of the staff report for the First National Plaza (formerly Drake Crossing Shopping Center PUD), Bank Drive -Up Facility - Amended Final - #35-96. 281 North College Avenue • P.O. Box 580 • Fort Collins, CO 80522-0580 • (970) 221-6750 FAX (970) 221-6378 • TDD (970) 224-6002