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53. This is not in context.
[We realize that we're not going to arrive at a mutual agreement on this tonight.]
54. We don't put oversized books next to regular sized books in the library, they are separated even if
they have the same ISBN number.
[We look at the massing and we feel the buildings aren't large. We believe in the project.]
41. I ask, what are the benefits to me? What I expect to hear, improvements in Horsetooth, they will
be contributing to our HOA, there will be noise abatement for Spindrift for noise off the buildings
from Horsetooth. I have heard nothing. A 63 foot building is a dramatic difference. The Marriott
Hotel is comparable? It sits many yards behind Horsetooth Road. You are picking on a
commercial building down the road? I don't welcome it.
[Denying this project isn't going to change the population in Fort Collins. They will go somewhere
else. We have a disagreement with this. City Staff has letters for you to look at with residents that
are in support of this project.]
42. I know someone living on the lake that is getting kind of old and who'd like to live here for less
maintenance reasons.
43. I know this is designed for someone to make money off of it. How much less money is made if
everything is dropped by one story?
[I don't know if we know enough to answer this. Dropping it one story will not make it a project
and will get rid of the structured parking most likely. This is the lowest intensity that the applicant
can develop, otherwise it doesn't make sense financially.]
44. Why isn't the project proposed in downtown?
[We're aren't looking to develop downtown.]
45. Is this the first use of the contextual height section in the Land Use Code?
[City: It's the first that I'm aware of ]
46. What is the height of the Marriott Hotel?
[Our surveyors calculated it at 65 feet.]
47. I calculated it with a tape measure as 60'.
48. Is the Marriott Hotel adjacent to this?
[City: Yes, by the language in the Contextual Height section. It is a part of Lot 3 of the Strachan
Subdivision.]
49. So, from a legal standpoint, the Marriott Hotel is adjacent to this site.
[City: Yes, City staff has made this detemination. The Land Use Code section stipulates this as
correct.]
50. If the height is above 40' than there is a special review?
[City: Yes, and this is being done.]
51. I have an issue with the height of the Marriott Hotel and the difference of 65 feet.
52. Don't get me wrong I would welcome a nice development, but I don't see a nice development at
65' in height. Horsetooth Road becomes a canyon.
[We see it is nice. A canyon is both side of street, I drive around the Marriott everyday and I don't
have a canyon feel.]
31. It doesn't fit. It's too tall, it doesn't look right with the rest of the neighborhood. It's too tall, the
images are misleading. You can see the Marriot Hotel across the lake. It's about the view of the
lake that you're trying to achieve.
[You can't do 3 stories here with a parking garage and get it to work. The site could be developed
as the same old "stuff' that is in the neighborhood. However, we think it's a missed opportunity
not to do something different. Our applicant wants to do something that is better.]
32. Quoting City Plan Policy EXN-1-4(?) These are obtrusive to the street. There is no articulation
[The Code wants the buildings close to the street. We don't feel there is a lack of articulation.]
33. What changes have you made to the site and building since the last meeting?
[The site has gotten into much intricate design for public spaces, terracing, water quality pond.
Mostly it's the level of detail with hardscape and landscaping.]
34. My preference has always been a church but that's not going to happen, or office buildings so at
nights and weekends little traffic and this isn't that way. The Developer can propose whatever he
wants?
[City: As long as it is permitted in the code, yes. The land uses are not subjective and the City
cannot deny strictly based on use if it is allowed in the Zoning District.]
35. What role do the local homeowners play into it? Ultimately a decision is made?
[City: We're here, at this second neighborhood meeting, for your input. The project will go to a
public hearing, where your input is also allowed and encouraged. Any decision made is
appealable to City Council. City Council can overturn the decision, uphold the decision, or remand
the decision back to the decision maker.]
36. There a re a whole hell of a lot of worse things that could go in here. One time there was a hotel
proposed. I'd like to see something else. This has the potential to raise property values and it
could be worse.
37. The success of the project is the selling of units. What are the phasing plans?
[Buildings A & B will be first, containing 36 units. If it doesn't turn out, we'll try to amend the
plan.]
38. Why not build the commercial first?
[Any commercial requires a certain number of residents there first. These will be smaller non -
national commercial that needs residents.]
39. When will they start digging up, doing the roads, etc?
[If we can get to a public hearing in December or the first of the year (2003), March or April is the
earliest. May is likely. Dirt work will be first and utilities that are on Horsetooth Road will soon
follow.]
40. Does your developer know that there is no lake to look at anymore?
20. What are the homeowners responsibilities? Are there covenants?
[I don't know about a condo HOA.]
21. We'd like to see a restriction of lighting off the balconies.
[The City does not allow anyone to exceed 10 foot-candles. The City can enforce lighting levels.]
22. It seems it would be appropriate to put this in covenants.
[We will, and we also want you to know that the City will aid in this.]
23. What is the access to the businesses?
[There is pedestrian access, as well as car entrances, off of Stanford Road and East Horsetooth
Road.]
24. We live on Spindrift Court and making lefts out of our development is dangerous. Are they going
to do something to make it easier for us to get out? This development is only going to compound
problems on Horsetooth Road.
[ 160 cars from this development is less than 1 % of the current peak hour traffic on East
Horsetooth Road. The impact will be minimal.]
25. What is the City's argument on not putting a raised median in Horsetooth Road?
[City: The City's Traffic Engineer has concerns about the creation of raised medians for short
distances, such as "token medians".]
26. Why not a barrier for the median that can also serve as a protective pocket for turns onto
westbound Horsetooth?
[City: We will check with Traffic Engineering.]
27. What is the setback of the building from the street?
[There are comers of Buildings A & B that are as close as 12 feet from street right-of-way, and as
far away as 46 to 57 feet. The buildings are at oblique angles, not parallel, to the streets.]
28. What is the value of these units to pay close to a million?
[Typical is 1600 to 2000 sq ft. Don't have final sales costs.]
29. These kinds of buildings are proposed for downtown. Where is it?
[City: The Steele's Market downtown site is 166 dwelling units, 8 to 10 stories in height. It is
delayed at the applicant's requests.]
30. What is the maximum stories in height allowed?
[City: The maximum stories in the MMN District is 3. However, there are ways to determine the
height proposed per Code and it is still being evaluated.]
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Are people already signed up to live here?
[The owners don't know if they have a project as it has not been approved by the City. Half a
dozen people, I think, are interested.]
9. Dwelling units of 3/4 to a million dollars is considered a transition?
[The transition is in terms of land use, not housing price.]
10. Has the land been purchased yet?
[Yes, it has.]
11. I don't mind this project and I'd rather see something high end in my neighborhood.
[We'd rather that, as well.]
12. Is this a neighborhood center?
[We aren't calling this a neighborhood center as defined in the City Plan's LMN District. A
specific goal of City Plan is to have an identifiable neighborhood center and we want to provide a
mix of uses in the project as a neighborhood center to provide a destination.]
13. Are there no Type II uses proposed in this development?
[City: The applicant chooses not to do so.]
14. What is allowed by Type I?
[City: Other than residential uses, permitted Commercial/Retail uses are bed and breakfast
establishments with no more than 6 beds, convenience stores with no fuel sales, artisan galleries,
and child care centers.]
15. So you can have a 7-Eleven?
[Yes, a convenience store without fuel sales is permitted.]
16. What about Type II?
[City: Commercial/Retail uses permitted are personal and business service shops, offices, financial
services, clinics and small veterinary clinics.]
17. Would these businesses have fronts to East Horsetooth Road or the parking lot?
[The businesses are on the ground floor of building C. The retail types of business are on the
south part of C, with primary access from the public sidewalks along Horsetooth Road and
Stanford Road.]
18. What about Buildings A & B?
[They are entirely residential with a multi -purpose room in a quarter of Building B]
19. What about lighting that will emanate?
[The City has pretty strict standards for light pollution. We are not allowed to exceed 1 foot-candle
off the site. The short answer is precious little light is allowed to emanate.]
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Commmuty Planning and Environmental _ ,rvices
Current Planning
City of Fort Collins
Bella Vista Neighborhood Meeting
Questions & Concerns Notes
11/13/2002
Introduction: Steve Olt, City Current Planning Department
Applicant presentation: Eldon Ward, Cityscape Urban Design
Questions & Concerns, with responses by both [the Developer and/or the City]
1. What does fairly high density tell us?
[One of the basic understandings of City Plan is a higher urban density, thereby reducing sprawl.
We meet the minimum density and there is no maximum density for the MMN district. Upper
end, high end luxury development needs a higher density product.]
2. Will you be talking about what is shown there with regards to East Horsetooth Road, dividers,
traffic patterns, etc?
[Frontage on this site fills in the gap between the east and the west on Horsetooth Road. There
isn't a continuous left turn lane to southbound Landings Drive, and there's a right -in, right -out
from the project.]
3. There are to be no raised medians on East Horsetooth Road?
[The medians will be painted, not raised.]
4. Is there to be a bike lane on East Horsetooth Road?
[There is a bike lane on the north side. A bike lane on the south side could not be accommodated.]
5. Are they planning on putting a right turn lane to northbound Stanford Road?
[Not at this time.]
6. Will anyone here express the benefits to the community with this project?
[One of the City's adopted goals is to achieve a full range of housing in the neighborhood, which
this creates. The amount of water consumed by these residents is much less than those who can
also buy multi -acre lots for the same price.]
7. Where would they work?
[There are numerous offices and retail uses around and in the area. If you accept that people will
walk a half mile, then there are places nearby, banks, stores, etc.]
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