HomeMy WebLinkAboutSIDEHILL (JOHNSON PROPERTY) - ODP - 32-01A - DECISION - MINUTES/NOTESPlanning and Zoning Board Minutes
February 21, 2002
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Member Meyer seconded the motion.
Member Craig stated that she appreciated the project was going to pass and that the
Land Use Code does not include means by which to look at adequate public facilities at
the ODP stage. It is bothersome that developers are going to put forth a lot of money
and not be able to develop the land the way they think they are from the ODP. She
would like to see these issues addressed at the ODP stage.
Member Colton stated that he would trust staff to decide when to have Sharp Point
Drive go through, however, it is bothersome that the Board cannot state, at the CDP
level, that the road must go through after a certain number of building permits are
issued. Mr. Colton also stated that it is unfortunate we've come to the point where we
are saying no to projects because of adequate public facilities; however, we knew this
was going to be a problem. We were not aggressive enough on street oversizing fees to
cover the impact of new traffic on existing intersections such as this one, Lemay and
Vine, West Harmony, and so forth. This would have resulted in higher fees but we
would likely have had money to pay for these types of improvements. Now it will be
difficult to get voters to approve capital funding projects.
Chairman Gavaldon stated concern about the adequate public facilities. He also stated
concern over the master street plan, street pattern connectivity, and transportation
connection to adjoining properties. He stated disagreement with the wording.
Member Colton stated that it is important to stick to the adequate public facilities criteria
in the Land Use Code in order to protect the public good. There may be attempts to
weaken the adequate public facilities when these policies protect the citizens from the
high rate of growth in lieu of the fact that we weren't charging high enough fees.
The motion was approved 6-0.
There was no other business.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:05 p.m.
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Paul Eckman, City Attorney, replied that state vested rights do not occur until the final,
site -specific development plan is approved. He also noted that it is a staff process to
approve the final plan and issue building permits.
Member Craig asked about connectivity and safety issues regarding Timberline
narrowing from four lanes to two.
Mr. Bracke replied that the road improvements for correcting the intersection would take
it all the way to where it is four lanes now. The improvements that were done this
summer were as a result of the Rigden Farm development. The next phase of the road
construction will take it all the way.
Member Meyer stated that she trusts the staff to protect her and the citizens.
Member Colton asked if the applicant really understood what was happening with the
adequate public facilities issues at Timberline and Prospect.
The applicant replied that they are aware.
Chairman Gavaldon asked if the alternative compliance needed to be voted on
separately from the main motion.
Mr. Eckman replied that they do need to be separate motions.
Chairman Gavaldon stated his understanding that the intersection can sit for a while
until the remedies are in place.
Planner Jones stated that was correct, assuming there was no final approval. Sharp
Point also becomes moot unless there is a vote approving funding of Sharp Point
without development but that is not likely.
Member Bernth moved for approval of the alternative compliance request for
Section 3.6.3(C) for the intersection spacing along Timberline Road based on the
findings of fact and conclusions in the staff report.
Member Torgerson seconded the motion.
The motion was approved 6-0.
Member Bernth moved for approval of the Johnson Property ODP, File #32-01A
based on the findings of fact and conclusions of the staff report.
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Member Torgerson suggested that this issue may need to be discussed in future Land
Use Code revisions.
Planner Jones stated that staff has worked with the applicant on this project to protect
the historic structures.
Member Meyer asked if there were only a certain number of building permits that could
be taken out prior to certain improvements.
Planner Jones replied that it is a common practice.
Member Colton asked Mr. Bracke to reiterate the adequate public facilities policy.
Mr. Bracke replied that the intersection of Prospect and Timberline has undergone a
significant amount of growth in traffic over the last few years. The acceptable levels of
service are considered D or better, on a scale from A to F. The intersection during A.M.
and P.M. peak hours is at a level of service F which means the "adequate public
facilities" ordinance goes into effect. This policy does not affect anything at the CDP
level but building permits will not be able to be pulled until the intersection has had
money appropriated for improvements. The developer also has the option to pay for the
improvements, go in with other developers in the area to pay, or wait for capital funds to
be appropriated. Capital projects are probably 3 to 5 years out, assuming they are
approved. At this point, the development can proceed through the process but cannot
build until that intersection is addressed.
Member Colton asked at what point the APF issue would have to be addressed.
Planning Director Gloss replied that the threshold is at the final plan stage. At the PDP,
the plan would have to include the fully -designed (to standards) improvement but they
would not necessarily have to fund it. They could not get a final plan or a building
permit under the APF section of the Code unless the developer pays for the
improvement or the money is appropriated by City Council.
Member Colton asked about the PDP and final plan being the same.
Mr. Gloss replied that it is at the discretion of the applicant to apply for both
simultaneously. Typically, the PDP is approved, then the plans are finalized.
Member Colton noted that the final plan process is a staff level review, not a Board
hearing.
Member Craig asked about vested rights.
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Mr. Baker replied that we now have Level of Service standards and connectivity
standards in the Land Use Code that require those connections to be in prior to
development. The off -site connection across the tracks here is really an off -site
improvement and is not really required of the developer to do that; it is just necessary
for it to be done prior to the development proceeding. The developer can elect to make
that connection in order to proceed with the development.
Member Colton asked for assurance that the connection would be put in, regardless of
how it is paid for.
Member Torgerson stated that it wouldn't be a new practice for a certain number of
building permits to trigger the road to be developed.
Chairman Gavaldon asked Karen McWilliams of the Historic Preservation Department
to speak to the historic preservation issue.
Ms. McWilliams stated that there is no mechanism to worry about things such as historic
buffers at the ODP level. It will be addressed at the PDP. The Historic Preservation
Department can preserve and protect the Johnson Farm while waiting for the
development to occur around it. The best mechanism is for the property owners to
designate the property in order to become eligible for funding to help stabilize and
restore the buildings.
Chairman Gavaldon asked what would ensure the buildings would be protected in the
time between now and designation and preservation.
Ms. McWilliams replied that there is no mechanism that would guarantee that the
property owners would designate the property in the future or that the buildings would
still be standing when they do designate. If citizens are concerned, they can pursue a
"non-consensual" designation, which is a designation that dies not have property -owner
consent. This would take the project to the Landmark Preservation Commission who
would then determine if designation would be appropriate. If so, the LPC would
recommend to City Council that they consider a non-consensual designation. This
would bring forth all the funding sources. This can be done at any time.
Member Torgerson asked if significant historical resources are not ever taken into
account at the ODP stage.
Ms. McWilliams replied that there is no language to protect historic resources at the
ODP stage in the Land Use Code.
Planner Jones stated that the resource itself could be labeled at the ODP stage.
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Member Craig asked for assurance that a connection will be made.
Mr. Baker replied that he was fairly certain this connection will be made before the
development can proceed.
Member Colton asked about project phasing and how much of the project could go in
before the connection would have to be made.
Mr. Baker replied that the traffic impact study for the project showed that the connection
was not necessary so it would likely be the phases up against Sharp Point Drive and up
against the tracks at the bottom of the hill that would require that connection to be
made.
Planning Director Gloss confirmed that statement.
Member Colton stated concern with that issue.
Planner Jones stated that, possibly as part of the development agreement, as the
phases come in, an equitable amount for each of the phases to contribute to the
crossing will be determined.
Member Colton stated that he didn't want to see another Poudre Valley Hospital
Harmony Campus situation where the road is not built out until the last phase of the
CDP. There needs to be a clear plan that the crossing will happen and when, not just
funding.
Member Meyer stated that gridlock occurs after the first filing and the road is not usable
after further filings. The issue needs to be dealt with immediately.
Chairman Gavaldon asked if the Board could condition the project to require the road to
be put in at the first phase.
Planner Jones said he did not think the Board would be able to do that but referred the
Board to Mr. Gloss' memo. The connection could not be required until a site -specific
development plan is submitted and reviewed.
Chairman Gavaldon asked if the PDP's would be Type I or Type II reviews.
Planner Jones replied that it would depend on what exactly would be submitted.
Member Bernth asked Mr. Baker to define the current mechanism for ensuring the
connection.
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Hearinq Testimony, Written Comments and Other Evidence:
Troy Jones, City Planner, gave the City presentation. The site is at the northeast corner
of Timberline Road and Drake Road. The property was rezoned a few months ago.
Many of the questions surrounded transportation issues, including adequate public
facilities at the Prospect and Timberline intersection. The other issue was the extension
of Sharp Point Drive into the site. It is identified on the Master Street Plan to continue to
Drake. He added that Planning Director Gloss had written a memo regarding how
adequate public facilities and street pattern and connectivity standards apply to an
Overall Development Plan.
Planner Jones stated that the Sharp Point connection will be paid for by the developer
as part of the phase that is adjacent to that crossing on the site. The developer would
then be eligible for repayment as development comes in across the railroad tracks
between the current Midpoint extension and the tracks. The developer will pay for a
large portion of the road improvements between the track crossing and the Midpoint
dead end.
Planner Jones stated, with respect to the adequate public facilities issue, that, as far as
an Overall Development Plan is concerned, the Board must identify that there is a
deficiency and acknowledge that no building permits will be issued until the problem is
solved or until capital project funds have been allocated to make the improvements.
Linda Bartlett, with the applicant James Company, opened her presentation up for
questions due to the Board's familiarity with the project.
Public Input
There was no public input.
Member Craig asked Matt Baker to discuss the Sharp Point issue
Mr. Baker, of the Engineering Department, replied that it is an important roadway
connection that is challenging due to topographical issues. There was some right-of-
way reserved for the future street to make the connection across the tracks. As this
project develops, the connectivity standards require the developer to have the
connection in place prior to proceeding with the development phases. Sharp Point Drive
is a collector street and there will be some Street Oversizing participation in that
construction. The Engineering Department is also making contacts to get the
appropriate regulations in place for the railroad crossing. Mr. Baker stated that he did
not know exact timing for the project.
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designed school. Member Torgerson stated he is in enthusiastic support a project.
dded that Fort Collins does have a school impact fee.
Member stated that people's property taxes are far les an the cost of sending
a child to a dayc center. The school district is not getti paid as much as the
daycare centers are p hild.
Member Craig echoed Mr. Kapla ' concern out Cambridge. She stated that she did
not vote in favor of the ODP's for Wi ok or Brookfield. She stated that the
developers in the area should look a n ambridge.
Chairman Gavaldon stated t staff needs to alley the concerns with the traffic on
Cambridge. He added t he school district has done a Ilent work, a great
presentation, and good community outreach.
Member C on stated that it would be great if Ms. Smith could have one son with
who discuss her road issues. He suggested that Mr. Bracke talk with her.
motion was approved 7-0.
Member Carpenter stated a conflict with the Johnson Property ODP.
Project: Johnson Property — Overall Development Plan
Project Description: Request for a 217-acre, mixed -use Overall
Development Plan located at the northeast
corner of Drake Road and Timberline Road.
The proposal includes between 980 and 1,359
dwelling units in single family and multi -family
configurations. The proposal also includes the
adaptive reuse of the historic Jessup Farm
farmstead, al 0-acre city park, and limited
commercial uses as part of a neighborhood
center. The site is zoned I, Industrial; MMN,
Medium Density Mixed -Use Neighborhood;
LMN, Low Density Mixed -Use Neighborhood;
and UE, Urban Estate.
Recommendation: Staff recommends approval of the Johnson
Property Overall Development Plan.
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Member Carpenter declared a conflict on Item #3, Rigden Farm, 61h Filing,
Modification of Standards.
Project: Rigden Farm, 6th Filing — Modification of r
Standards
Project Description: Request to modify Section 3.5.2(D)(3) of the
Land Use Code to allow the side yard setback
for detached rear yard garages to be zero (0)
feet on fourteen specific lots.
Recommendation:
Staff recommends approval of the modification
request.
Written Comments and Other E
Member Torgerson stated that thebnly concern he had with the item was that the
garages follow the same standards that multi -family garages are required to in the Land
Use Code. /
Troy Jones, city planner. stated that the polidant was willing to adhere to the multi-
family garage door standards. /
Member Torgerson moved for approval of Item #3, Rigden Farm, 6th Filing,
Modification of Standards. Member Craig seconded the motion.
Member Colton asked if there was a Code section that could be cited regarding
the multi -family garage standards.
Planner Jones stated the Code section as 3.5.2(F), "Rear Walls of Multi -Family
Garages."
Member Torgerson reworded his motion with the condition that the Code Section
3.5.2(F) is adhered to. Member Craig seconded the motion.
The motion was approved 6-0.
Council Liaison: Karen Weitkunat
Chairperson: Jerry Gavaldon
Vice Chair: Mikal Torgerson
Staff Liaison: Cameron Gloss
Phone: (H) 484-2034
Phone: (W) 416-7435
Chairperson Gavaldon called the meeting to order at 6:34 p.m.
Roll Call: Colton, Meyer, Bernth, Carpenter, Craig, Torgerson, and Gavaldon.
Staff Present: Gloss, Olt, Shepard, Jones, Stringer, Wamhoff, Virata, Bracke,
Baker, McWilliams, and Williams.
Agenda Review: Director of Current Planning Cameron Gloss reviewed the Consent
and Discussion Agendas:
Consent Agenda:
1. Minutes of the December 7, 2000 and February 1, 2001
Planning and Zoning Board Hearings (Continued)
2. Resolution PZ02-02 — Easement Vacation
3. #56-980 Rigden Farm, 6th Filing — Modification of Standards (Pulled to
Discussion — Torgerson)
4. #45-01 Recommendation to City Council on Bella Vista Rezoning
(Pulled to Discussion — citizen)
Discussion Agenda:
5. Poudre School District 2004 High School — Site Plan Advisory
Review
6. Johnnson Property — Overall Development Plan
A citizen asked to have Item #4, the Bella Vista Rezoning pulled to discussion.
Member Torgerson asked to have item #3, Rigden Farm, 6th Filing, Modification of
Standards pulled to discussion.
Member Carpenter declared a conflict on Item #2, Resolution PZ02-02 — Easement
Vacation.
Member Colton moved for approval of Consent Item #2. Member Craig seconded
the motion. The motion was approved 6-0.