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Q: Were other options on the table for this property?
A: The demand for this is here.
Suggestion: Looks to be a done deal, concern is the traffic from this development the 660
min. is it possible to put entry off Ziegler? Will KEM look at this?
A: Yes, they'll look at — we need to look at min/max
Applicant: Conceptual Review said to take off Dripping Rock
Fossil Lake PUD developer: Even if connection is made to Ziegler, still have to have
Shallow Pond connection.
Fossil Lake PUD developer: Maybe we could meet, Stan (Everitt Companies), Dave (KEM
Homes) and neighbors to talk to Engineering about street connection.
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C: They will park in front of doors on street.
Applicant: Single car garages are oversized to allow for storage.
C: Fort Collins should rethink development goals, we can't enforce these issues. Mixing
incomes and ownership types is not good for our children.
Q: Why can't Ziegler be down -graded so it can have the access point off of it?
Follow-up Answer: Actually it is currently a minor collector according to the Fort Collins -
Master Street Plan. This means that the applicant would be allowed to connect a local
street with Ziegler. Such a connection would, however, not take away the requirement that
Dripping Rock also extend north from Shallow Pond.
C: What will the HOA fee and involvement be? — If they have 80 votes, this development
can over -ride some decisions of existing.
Q: Will there be any other projects of this density in Fossil Lake Ranch?
A: No.
Q: What will the restrictive covenants likely say?
A: Probably similar to "the village" — pretty stringent, garage for car/trash inside/etc.
Applicant: The Land Use Code requires that three -bedroom units have 2 parking spaces
minimum, and two -bedroom units have 1.75 parking spaces minimum. This means that a
minimum of 158 parking spaces are required. This project provides 178 off-street parking
spaces.
Q: Is the surrounding area a factor?
A: Yes, but the City has different priorities for the notion of appropriate densities than many
of the folks in this neighborhood.
Q: Fundamental process question — Is there a pre -agreement?
Q: Does the developer have to put these 80 units here?
A: No, not if they don't choose to. They are however permitted to.
Concern: Still outstanding issues from first filing — Why do more?
Concern: School overcrowding.
C: Put street out onto Ziegler? Concerned that input not taken into concern. Big safety
issue.
Q: How long before construction starts?
A: Market late summer and early fall.
Q: Is there any give to change the program? Put something different here.
A: Everitt is selling lot to KEM
KEM — largely economically driven, but not likely to change significantly.
C: KEM should have consulted neighbors about this before so much time and money spent.
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C: Sage Creek doesn't back up to the same prices houses — up there they back up to 250k
houses, this is 350k — 390k houses in this neighborhood.
Applicant: Studies show no affect on property values.
Q: Where are the dumpsters?
A: Just like single family homes, in garages.
C: Can't we go more gradual?
Q: What is the definition of trickle down?
A: Regulations set overall framework within which development applications must fit. The
regulations are based on visions and goals the City is trying to accomplish.
Q: Can this density be revisited?
Applicant: Kern has historically provided a variety of price ranges. Kern tries to offer housing
in this price range yet quality and allows a choice of product and price range.
Q: Lighting?
A: Specific requirements to be bright enough but not too bright. This aspect is still under
review.
C: The need for this price range is being met nearby = 751 other townhomes nearby.
Traffic problems and property values.
C: What we really need is community services and commercial.
C: Mixture of uses and other "cookie cutter' is not appropriate for Fossil Lake Ranch.
C: They were told it was going to be a church.
Comment (from original Fossil Lake PUD developer) If the accusation is that the community
center was put there only to create the ability to put the 80 units where this proposal is
located, that is not the case. The community center was put in to serve the neighborhood
with an appealing amenity.
C: First HOA meeting never mentioned the 80 units.
C: Concerned that rentals will take away the character of community.
Concern: Project compatibility is regulated in the Land Use Code section 3.5.1.
Concern: 150k condos next to these houses is irresponsible. Request that these home
owners not belong to the pool.
Q: Why is Stetson Creek not same?
A: Stetson Creek was developed under the LDGS, which is the previous code.
Q: Will parking be allowed on streets?
A: Most likely.
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4�,,,,,, Neighborhood Meeting Notes
City of Fort Collins
Fossil Lake 4th Meeting Date: 11/06/2002
Staff present: Troy Jones, Current Planning
Ginny Sawyer, Neighborhood Resources
Questions and Answers
Staff Clarification: The existing pool & clubhouse qualify as a neighborhood center.
Neighborhood Center Uses: Community facilites; Neighborhood support/recreation facilities;
Schools; Child care centers; Places of worship or assembly; Convenience retail stores;
Offices; Financial services and clinics; Personal or business service shops; Standard or fast
food restaurant (no drive-thru); Artisan or photo studios or galleries.
Q: Why are the vehicular entries off Shallow Pond?
A: The Land Use Code requires intra- and inter- neighborhood connections of local streets
between and within neighborhoods.
Q: Off -site traffic study? (Many stop signs that back up)
A: Analysis involved Ziegler/Kechter and site access onto Shallow Pond. No analysis of
Timerline/Kechter — 40 trips in peak.
Q: How do you get 40 trips?
A: ITE Manual — Trip generation manual = 1 hour during peak. 80 units in the afternoon
are shown in the ITE manual to generate just over 40 trips in a single hour during rush hour,
there will be trips in hour before and after too.
Q: Timing of improvements of Kechter/Ziegler?
A: As soon as it meets City warrants for a traffic signal. When it meets, it will be installed.
Q: What is density average for 1st— 41h
A: About 3
Comment (C): Transition — doesn't' seem to be transition it's right across the street.
Q: Why is this different from Home Owners Association (HOA) meeting?
A: This use has been permitted in this location all along.
Q: Has a market study been done, for price range? Is this same as Sage Creek market?
A: Sage Creek is approximately $160k= same price range.
C: I was told they would be high end condos.
A: Fossil Lake PUD 3`d filing (just east of the pool and clubhouse) has a higher price point.
Q: How is HOA charged?
A: Every condo owner pays same share.
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