HomeMy WebLinkAboutLONGVIEW MARKETPLACE @ SHENANDOAH - PDP - 47-95B - CORRESPONDENCE - PROJECT EXTENSION (3)We remain as zealous as ever to see this project through to fruition. That being said, we still
need to ensure that the economics work in order for us to move forward with this PDP. A
prompt and thorough response would be greatly appreciated to facilitate our financial analysis.
As most of these issues are engineering -related and not planning, we have copied the same list of
City Engineering Staff from our previous letter. Should anyone have questions or comments
regarding this letter, please do not hesitate to contact either one of us, Rod Jones — Quadrant
Properties at (636) 530-6050 or Bill Bates — King Soopers at (303) 778-3050. For more
technical questions, please contact our civil engineer, Nick Haws — Northern Engineering
Services at (970) 221-4158 or our traffic engineer, Matt Delich — Traffic & Transportation
Engineering (970) 669-2061.
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Rodney K.Jo e
Quadrant Properties, LLC
William C. Bates
King Soopers/City Market
xc: Gary Diede - City of Fort Collins
Cam McNair - Fort Collins City Engineer
Matt Baker - City of Fort Collins Street Oversizing Program Manager
Eric Bracke - Fort Collins City Traffic/Transportation Engineer
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is determined that Long View Marketplace needs to acquire off -site ROW on
Carpenter Road, then we will make a "fair offer" based upon current market value
of the land in question. After that has been done, we feel that the City/County
must take over the ROW acquisition process should our initial attempt be
unsuccessful. Failure to do so may drag the process on for years. Any further
delays will make this project unfeasible.
19. The developer can file repay agreements on properties adjacent to Carpenter Road, where
the developer has to acquire ROW and build frontage improvements. Then, if those
properties redevelop within ten years, then Quadrant Properties can be repaid for the
investment in the properties' frontages along Carpenter.
RESPONSE: We are extremely interested in filing any and all appropriate repays
with Long View Marketplace. Who would be the direct contact at the City to
negotiate and finalize said agreements?
Neighborhood Issues
20. The City, County and CDOT all have an interest in Carpenter Road (CR-32). Most if not
all improvements to this road, at least in the near term, will be provided by development
activity in the area. Long View Marketplace is one such development. It will be
impossible to separate the discussion of this development from the needs of the
infrastructure in the area. City staff will be glad to participate in the discussions with
neighboring property owners and other potentially affected interests.
RESPONSE: We are disappointed with the vague nature of this response. We
too have the notion that "development must pay its own way;" however, we
cannot be held responsible to pay the way of others (both past and present).
This issue is well above and beyond the scope of Long View Marketplace. While
we volunteer to be an eager participant in this coordination effort, it is necessary
for the local agencies to spearhead this process. We were hoping for a proactive
solution by City Staff, but with that not being the case, what do we do and whom
do we contact to ensure that this project is not held captive by neighbors in
Larimer County subdivisions?
As you can tell, considerable time, effort and resources have already been expended towards this
development. The continued City comments and coordination effort led us to file a 60-day
extension on our PDP re -submittal. That additional 60 days will expire one month from now on
May 161h. We feel that we are still far from having all of these issues resolved, and thus, are
requesting an additional 30-day extension on our re -submittal date. We hope this allows enough
time to hash out each and every detail, and to reach a consensus on the exact amount of off -site
public improvements this project will be responsible for designing, building, and financing. We
may once again suggest separating the on -site marketplace PDP from the extensive off -site
roadway improvements depending on the outcome of this agreement.
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needs to commit to the future 4-lane arterial alignment of Carpenter Road at this
time in order for our Avondale Road design to proceed. Logic and precedence
would both indicate that future widening would occur on both sides of Carpenter
Road. Again, lane alignment and traffic safety can and will add time and
complexity to this design.
16. Avondale would not necessarily need to move over further north into the Quadrant
Properties site (so that the lanes would align with Carpenter in the ultimate situation).
Instead we would assume that widening of Carpenter Road would occur at least partially
on the Schrader site in the future to accommodate the additional travel lane and bike lane
in the ultimate situation. This also requires less ROW to be needed on the north side of
Carpenter in the interim.
RESPONSE: As mentioned above, we whole-heartedly agree with this statement.
How and who decides the future section of Carpenter Road so that our team can
design Avondale Road today?
Carpenter Road
17. Improvements are necessitated by the increased traffic to the Long View Marketplace,
according to the developer's traffic study, and by the importance of aligning lanes at the
College/Avondale/Carpenter intersection. Also, crosswalks with ADA accessibility
ramps are necessary for safe pedestrian access on all movements around the intersection,
especially with the bus stop at this intersection.
RESPONSE: If necessary, our traffic engineer will further define what
improvements are directly attributable to this development, and those
necessitated by regional traffic and existing deficiencies. This may more clearly
define who builds and pays for each particular improvement. Traffic signal
relocations, refuge medians, and ROW acquisition are amongst the issues that
will require diligent coordination and negotiation. What, if anything, has the
County offered to contribute thus far? Has the City been keeping the County
informed and involved, or should we be actively approaching the County? As far
as the bus stop is concerned, our most recent direction from City Staff was to
locate the new bus stop just south of the intersection of the Private Drive (3/<-
access) on College Avenue. Is it desired to maintain, shift, or remove the
existing stop at the southwest corner of College and Carpenter?
18. City Council has adopted a policy which clearly states the actions required of a developer
before the Council would consider use of eminent domain. The developer has not yet
diligently attempted to acquire the additional right-of-way, and the public purpose for
using eminent domain is debatable.
RESPONSE: Once the City and/or County and we reach a consensus as to the
amount of interim improvements needed on Carpenter Road, then we will
approach the appropriate landowners for our responsible portions. If and when it
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issue with the City, but once again, another item has the ability to impose further
delays and additional costs.
Avondale, Strasburg and Long View Drive
13. The City does have an escrow to assure that the Ridgewood Hills portion of Avondale
will be built.
RESPONSE: Previous telephone conversations with both Melody Homes and
Sheri Wamhoff indicated that the development agreement for Ridgewood Hills
Third Filing had a bond issued for this portion of Avondale. Either way, this
development should not be responsible for paying for this stretch of road. We
would; however, like to coordinate the contiguous construction of Avondale to
achieve a more efficient and effective product.
14. ROW acquisition from the Long View Farm Open Space will be difficult. The City and
County did not reserve ROW for Avondale when the property was bought for the natural
areas program. City and County master street plans were/are in conflict in this area, and
Natural Resources staffs were not particularly interested in promoting street extensions
there. In our opinion, it will take high level involvement at the City and CDOT to gain
approval to use eminent domain to support this development, even if only to condemn the
covenant interests associated with the necessary rights -of -way. CDOT has stated to City
staff that they will not exercise its right to use eminent domain.
RESPONSE: Our design team has done everything it can to facilitate this ROW
acquisition; including research, meetings, attorney fees, paying for an appraisal,
paying for Staff time, etc. It has become clear that we need assistance from the
City in order to acquire the ROW. It appears that reserving the ROW was an
oversight in the first place. The request from GOCO does not seem that onerous
to us. The acquisition is necessary to meet the requirements of both the City's
Street Master Plan and the South College Access Plan. Why has the City failed
thus far to step up and support its own plans? Do you want us to initiate the
discussion with higher levels?
15. The median in Avondale is not needed in the interim. However, we would still need to
reserve the space for a future (ultimate) median on Avondale, because Carpenter is
ultimately going to become a 4-lane arterial with median, and the Avondale side of the
intersection at College will need to align with Carpenter. City Transportation Services is
willing to defer the costs of the ultimate widening of this portion of Avondale to a future
capital project for widening College and Carpenter and improving this intersection to its
ultimate configuration, as long as this development reserves space for the ultimate
condition.
RESPONSE: We are willing to "reserve" the space for this ultimate median by
providing an interim striped median. We need the City's assistance and
assurance as to where exactly this median will be positioned. Basically, the City
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least expensive design solution. First of all, neither the extent nor cost of
additional improvements needed on Carpenter Road is known at this time to
make a fair comparison. Secondly, we would then be faced with the dilemma of
off -site ROW acquisition since the improvements are interim. Furthermore, this
could impose significant burdens and delays by necessitating both County and
neighborhood approvals. What exactly is meant by "informed consent' of the
neighborhood? We already know that neighbors southeast of this intersection
will hold this project hostage until significant improvements are made to
Carpenter Road (LCR 32) all the way from 1-25 to HWY 287. This massive
coordination effort, legal ramifications, and additional unknowns do not make this
clearly the "better and less expensive design solution."
10. The City will not require improvements to the eastside of College. This would mean
leaving the current situation as is with the Shenandoah median and the east side
accel/right-turn/bike lane. Future developments on that side of College, or a CDOT or
City capital project, would then have to provide the bike lanes and other improvements
there. This represents another big cost and space saving.
RESPONSE:This sounds great on the surface; however, what happens when
interim medians, turn lanes and other geometry affect the existing/overall traffic
operations? To date, our design iterations have proven that traffic &
transportation requirements drive much of roadway improvements and widths.
11. It should be noted that the traffic signals at the College/Carpenter/Avondale intersection
will need to be upgraded to CDOT structural standards. Street Oversizing can assist with
this cost. The designer should attempt to locate the signals so that they will not need to
be relocated in the future.
RESPONSE: Will City SO pay 3/4 and we pay the other'/4? We too have the
desire to place the traffic signals in a location that best accommodates future
widening; however, the latest direction given by City Engineering Staff makes this
impossible. Particularly when you look at future double medians for pedestrian
refuge and the maximum allowable spacing from stop bar to mast arm. It is
imperative to have complete cooperation and consent from the City regarding
this issue, especially if the desired placement requires additional off -site ROW
and other improvements.
12. Handicap ramps and safe pedestrian crosswalks will be important for all sides of the
College/Carpenter/Avondale intersection.
RESPONSE: We would not expect to design/build anything that could possibly
endanger any citizen. The complicated issue not explicitly mentioned here is
pedestrian refuge islands/medians. Both City SO and we would like to avoid
moving medians in the future. Unfortunately, it is very questionable as to how
much interim improvements could remain in the ultimate condition, particularly
relating to these islands. We have every intention of closely coordinating this
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5. For the interim situation, it is not necessary to provide ROW for the ultimate College Ave
widening. It is necessary, however, to reserve space for future widening as expected
based on the conceptual layout (1st bullet).
RESPONSE: We are a little confused by this statement. It is our interpretation
that we will dedicate ROW for the ultimate College Avenue widening along our
frontage only. However, it will not be the responsibility of this development to
acquire any additional ROW beyond our property boundary for the ultimate
condition. Is this what was meant by this statement?
6. The developer will need to provide ROW for the interim improvements, including a 10-ft
parkway and a 6-ft sidewalk. Current ROW is 50-ft from section line. Developer will
need to dedicate 25.5-ft of additional ROW (1/2 of local street ROW width). Any ROW
needed beyond the 75.5-ft from section line, the City (SO) will pay for, at the
undeveloped value.
RESPONSE: The interim ROW dedication seems fair and typical of other
developments. However, what is the difference between "reserving the space for
future widening" and actually dedicating the ROW?
7. If other utility easements are needed behind the sidewalk, those should be dedicated by
the developer. However, these cannot extend into the sewer easement unless FCLWD
gives permission. The City will not pay for these utility easements.
RESPONSE: We will dedicate the appropriate utility easements to be located
between the existing SFCSD exclusive easement and the edge of additional City
ROW for College Avenue.
8. Street lights are expected to be installed in the parkway, between the sidewalks and curb.
RESPONSE: We can do this for the interim improvements, but what happens in
the ultimate condition? We feel that future burden is the responsibility of the City
and/or CDOT.
9. A big cost and space saving can be realized if northbound double -left -turn lanes (College
to Avondale) can be replaced by a single -left -turn lane. However, in order to design this
properly, the left -turn accesses at Colland Drive (South) would have to be blocked by a
median in College. This Colland blockage would need agreement by the County and at
least informed consent by the impacted neighborhood, and would force the developer to
make more improvements on Carpenter Road from College to Colland (East). This
alternative would mean that a single left -turn lane, and therefore a single receiving lane
on Avondale, would work. That saves width on College and Avondale, and makes for a
better and less expensive design solution.
RESPONSE: We agree that the above suggestion will lessen the roadway widths
at College and Avondale; however, we are not convinced that overall this is the
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likelihood will not be ready until sometime in 2004. Our project cannot afford to
wait for the EA to determine the ultimate alignment.
2. For the interim (4-lane) improvements, a complete design effort is needed.
RESPONSE: We would like further explanation as to what a "complete" design
effort entails. Issues such as raised medians (glue -down or otherwise), western
curb and gutter, inlet placement, and bus stop location are just a few of the
issues that will need to be agreed upon in precise detail. Furthermore, the
interim (4-lane) improvements still appear to exceed what is typically required of
a development. Does the City intend on paying for the additional design and
construction costs?
3. It is possible for the Street Oversizing program (SO) to participate in the "interim"
improvements if it is assumed that no further SO participation will be expected when the
"ultimate" 6-lane widening project is undertaken. SO staff would expect to be actively
involved in the design and construction process in order to optimize the design and
contain costs. The development would not need to contribute or escrow for the ultimate
improvements on College Avenue. Those improvements would become a CDOT capital
project, and that project would pay for the widening to 6-lanes, including ROW
acquisition (although the development must reserve the space for the future widening to
6-lanes), moving the sewer main, if necessary, etc.
RESPONSE: We are in full agreement with the above comments. We would
expect for SO staff to be very involved with the interim design if they are to be
contributing a large amount of funds. One concern that we have is how the
design of off -site public roadway improvements will affect the schedule of the on -
site PDP. Optimizing the interim design to best accommodate the ultimate
configuration will require extensive coordination, especially when you look at
issues such as the placement of medians, traffic signals, and inlets; lane
geometry, and the fact that the ultimate alignment has yet to be defined.
4. For the interim design, there is no need to move the FCLWD sewer main or encroach on
its exclusive easement.
RESPONSE: We intend on dedicating the full ROW required for the ultimate
roadway width of College Avenue apart from the interim design. The
FCLWD/SFCSD will not allow ROW to be dedicated on top of their exclusive
easement, regardless of where physical improvements will lie. Therefore, we
cannot dedicate ROW any further west that the current SFCSD easement. The
maximum additional ROW we can dedicate is approximately 65-ft. This would
result in a western half -ROW width of 115-ft without any dry utility easements.
We believe this is more than sufficient for any future widening scenario, but we
would like the City's assurance on this issue.
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April 18, 2003
Cameron Gloss, AICP
Current Planning Director
281 North College Avenue
Fort Collins, CO 80521
RE: Long View Marketplace Project Development Plan
Dr. Mr. Gloss:
Thank for your response letter addressing our concerns relating to the off -site public
improvement costs associated with the proposed Long View Marketplace PDP.
We realize that you, as Current Planning Director, have incorporated a lot of information from
the City's Engineering Department. However, to remain consistent with our correspondence, we
would like to issue this follow up letter to your attention. We would like to start by thanking you
and City Staff for taking the time to discuss the current status of our project.
As we have previously informed you, our consultants have ceased design work until we can
reach a financial comfort level and feel confident that we once again have a viable project. Our
next step is to reassess the amount of off -site improvements that we will be responsible for
funding, and to decide if approvals can be obtained in a timely fashion. In order to do this we
need some further explanation and clarification on your letter dated April 14, 2003. We have
included your original comments along with our responses to each item below. For ease of
reference, we have replaced your bullets with numbers.
College Avenue Improvements
1. It is important that the development be sited properly so that the future, ultimate, 6-lane
major arterial section for College Avenue will not adversely impact the presently
proposed development. The ultimate (6-lane) design need only be a horizontal layout, at
a conceptual level, with minimal vertical alignment checks, so that the development is set
back far enough to accommodate future widening. A complete design effort for this is
not necessary.
RESPONSE: Can we assume that the future 6-lane widening will be symmetrical
about the existing centerline? CDOT's Environmental Assessment (EA) in all
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