HomeMy WebLinkAbout2023-cv-1341 - Erbacher v. City Of Fort Collins, et al. - 80 - Courtroom MinutesIN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO
Magistrate Judge N. Reid Neureiter
Civil Action No: 23-cv-01341-CNS-NRN Date: November 21, 2024
Courtroom Deputy: Román Villa FTR: Courtroom A401
Parties: Counsel:
CODY ERBACHER, Sarah Schielke
Plaintiff,
v.
CITY OF FORT COLLINS and
JASON HAFERMAN,
Mark Ratner
Jonathan Abramson
Defendants.
COURTROOM MINUTES
TELEPHONIC DISCOVERY HEARING
9:31 a.m. Court in session.
Court calls case. Appearances of counsel.
This matter is before the Court regarding discovery disputes outlined in a Joint
Discovery Statement that was directly emailed to Chambers and attached to these
minutes.
Arguments by counsel.
For the reasons set forth on the record, it is
ORDERED: As to issue (1) Sealed Records/Records Involving Juveniles: The records
shall be produced. There is a No Contact Order, and Plaintiff’s Counsel
shall not contact any of the individuals identified, and the names of
juveniles shall be reacted.
.
As to issue (2) Records Related to Haferman’s Fitness for duty and
evaluation of PTDS and Anxiety: The Court will conduct an in-camera
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review of the records at issue. Defendant shall file the records under
restriction level 2, and the Court will issue an order on this issue.
10:01 a.m. Court in recess.
Hearing concluded.
Total in-court time: 00:30
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·1· · · · · · ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
·2· · · · · · · · ·FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO
·3· · · · · · ·CIVIL ACTION NO.: 23-CV-1341-CNS-NRN
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·7· · · · · · · · · · · · CODY ERBACHER,
·8· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff
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12· · · · · · · · · ·CITY OF FORT COLLINS, AND
13· · · · · · · · · · · ·JASON HAFERMAN,
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23· ·DEPONENT:· JASON HAFERMAN
24· ·DATE:· · · JULY 30, 2024
25· ·REPORTER:· SABIA UNDERWOOD
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·APPEARANCES
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·3· ·ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, CODY ERBACHER:
·4· ·Sarah Schielke, Esquire
·5· ·The Life & Liberty Law Office, LLC
·6· ·1055 Cleveland Avenue
·7· ·Loveland, Colorado 80537
·8· ·Telephone No.: (970) 493-1980
·9· ·E-mail: sarah@lifeandlibertylaw.com
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11· ·ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, DERRICK GROVES:
12· ·Matthew Haltzman, Esquire
13· ·Haltzman Law Firm
14· ·204 Maple Street
15· ·Unit 101
16· ·Fort Collins, Colorado 80521
17· ·Telephone No.: (970) 692-3440
18· ·E-mail: Matthew@haltzmanlaw.com
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·3· ·ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT, JASON HAFERMAN:
·4· ·Jonathan Abramson, Esquire
·5· ·Yulia Nikolaevskaya, Esquire
·6· ·SGR, LLC
·7· ·3900 East Mexico Avenue
·8· ·Suite 700
·9· ·Denver, Colorado 80210
10· ·Telephone No.: 303-320-0509
11· ·E-mail: jabramson@sgrllc.com
12· ·jnikolaevskaya@sgrllc.com
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14· ·ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT, CITY OF FORT COLLINS:
15· ·Katherine N. Hoffman, Esquire
16· ·Hall & Evans, LLC
17· ·1001 17th Street
18· ·Suite 300
19· ·Denver, Colorado 80202
20· ·Telephone No.: (303) 628-3320
21· ·E-mail: hoffmank@hallevans.com
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·3· ·Also Present: Paula Wolff, Videographer; Kyle Drobny,
·4· ·Legal Intern; Madison Waldrep, Legal Intern; Madie
·5· ·Baskin, Legal Assistant; Magistrate Judge, N. Reid
·6· ·Neureiter
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·STIPULATION
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·3· ·The VIDEO deposition of JASON HAFERMAN was taken at THE
·4· ·LIFE AND LIBERTY LAW OFFICE, LLC, 1055 CLEVELAND AVENUE,
·5· ·LOVELAND, COLORADO 8053 on TUESDAY the 31st day of JULY
·6· ·2024 at 10:11 a.m. (MT); said VIDEO deposition was taken
·7· ·pursuant to the FEDERAL Rules of Civil Procedure.
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·9· ·It is agreed that SABIA UNDERWOOD, being a Notary Public
10 · ·and Court Reporter for the State of COLORADO, may swear
11 · ·the witness and that the reading and signing of the
12 · ·completed transcript by the witness is not waived.
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·3 · · · · THE CLERK:· Judge Neureiter Chamber.
·4 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Good afternoon.· This is Sarah
·5 · ·Schielke.· I'm an attorney in a -- a case that's
·6 · ·currently in a deposition, and we have an issue for
·7 · ·the Court's resolution -- if Magistrate Neureiter is
·8 · ·available?
·9 · · · · THE CLERK:· Sure.· Could you give me the case
10 · ·number please?· Hello?
11 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Yes.· Sorry, one second.· We're
12 · ·just pulling it up.
13 · · · · THE CLERK:· Okay.
14 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· It's 23-CV-1341.
15 · · · · THE CLERK:· Okay.· Thank you.· Let me put you
16 · ·on a brief hold and see what the judge's
17 · ·availability is.
18 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Thank you.
19 · · · · THE CLERK:· Thanks.· Hi, Attorney Schielke, are
20 · ·you there?
21 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· I am.
22 · · · · THE CLERK:· Okay, great.· So the judge is
23 · ·actually able to speak with you right now.· If the
24 · ·parties are ready, I can transfer you through to his
25 · ·line?
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·1 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Yes, we're ready.
·2 · · · · THE CLERK:· Okay.· Thank you.
·3 · · · · THE COURT:· This is Judge Neureiter.
·4 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Good afternoon, Your Honor. This
·5 · ·is Sarah Schielke, counsel for plaintiff, Cody
·6 · ·Erbacher, and we're calling with a discovery
·7 · ·dispute. I will let Opposing Counsel enter, too.
·8 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.
·9 · · · · MR. ABRAMSON:· Good afternoon, Your Honor.
10 · ·Jonathan Abramson on behalf of Jason Haferman.
11 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.· And are -- you're in the
12 · ·middle of the deposition; is that right?
13 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· We are, Your Honor.
14 · · · · THE COURT:· And are we on the record?
15 · · · · MS.· SCHIELKE:· We are, Your Honor.
16 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.· All right.· What's up?
17 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· So the issue is an assertion of
18 · ·privilege.· Right now we are deposing a defendant
19 · ·party, former Officer Jason Haferman.· I'll --
20 · ·actually, can I just ask?· Can I give the Court some
21 · ·quick bullet points on the case background, or is
22 · ·the Court miraculously immediately familiar?
23 · · · · THE COURT:· Why don't you give me a little
24 · ·background?
25 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Okay.· This is one of a series
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·1 · ·of five of wrongful DUI civil rights lawsuits that
·2 · ·have been brought naming Officer -- former Officer
·3 · ·Haferman and the City of Fort Collins as defendants.
·4 · ·There are both state and federal claims for the
·5 · ·Fourth Amendment wrongful arrest components.
·6 · ·There's also Monell claims against the City of Fort
·7 · ·Collins.· Right now I am deposing Officer Haferman
·8 · ·on the subject of -- essentially -- and we do have a
·9 · ·protective order in this case, Your Honor, and it is
10 · ·-- the confidentiality component is being invoked
11 · ·for this discussion.
12 · · · · But essentially, Officer Haferman -- well I
13 · ·will say, the previous deposition, his first line
14 · ·supervisor, his sergeant indicated that he had
15 · ·reasons to believe -- other reasons to believe or --
16 · ·or basis to believe why Haferman was having
17 · ·difficulty doing the job, as he put it -- in
18 · ·policing.· And he brought up and discussed the fact
19 · ·that Officer Haferman had a PTSD diagnosis that was
20 · ·believed to be sustained on duty, type of -- type of
21 · ·injury.
22 · · · · I am inquiring with Officer -- Haferman
23 · ·presently about conversations that he had with the
24 · ·workers' comp doctor.· We have established that he
25 · ·knew, at the time of talking to the workers' comp
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·1 · ·doctor, that this doctor would -- that there was
·2 · ·essentially not, you know, confidentiality, perfect
·3 · ·privilege on it, because it would be -- be sent back
·4 · ·to the state and be shared with the city.· And he
·5 · ·has also indicated that he was getting treatment
·6 · ·from therapists and counselors, not this doctor. I
·7 · ·am asking what information he had shared about
·8 · ·symptoms, here specifically, like difficulty with
·9 · ·sleep.· And Counsel for Officer Haferman is
10 · ·objecting on the grounds of privilege, that I should
11 · ·not -- physician-patient privilege.· And I can let,
12 · ·you know, John, you can go ahead and state that.
13 · ·That's basically --
14 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.· Before you turn it over to
15 · ·Mr. Abramson, can you tell me specifically the
16 · ·question that you asked that invoked privilege?
17 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· -- I said, in speaking with
18 · ·Dr. Seagul, the workers' comp doctor,· Did you share
19 · ·the fact that you were having difficulty with sleep,
20 · ·insomnia, or nightmares?
21 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.· And why -- help me
22 · ·understand why it's relevant whether he shared it
23 · ·with the workers' comp doc?
24 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· If he did, then the questions
25 · ·that followed would be the ones that are relevant,
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·1 · ·in terms of -- and it's just, Your Honor, I'm
·2 · ·missing a lot of documents in this case.· And so,
·3 · ·I'm trying to piece together a lot of things.· And
·4 · ·one of them is notice that the City had about
·5 · ·ongoing issues with mental health that would've been
·6 · ·affecting Officer Haferman's performance of job
·7 · ·duties.
·8 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.
·9 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· And so, that's -- that's the
10 · ·general area of relevance.· The sergeant brought up
11 · ·the fact of knowing that this, you know, general
12 · ·category of stuff was affecting him.· And so, I'm
13 · ·trying to understand the various avenues through
14 · ·which the city may have gotten additional notice.
15 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.· All right.· And,
16 · ·Mr. Abramson, your objection?
17 · · · · MR. ABRAMSON:· Your Honor, I haven't had a lot
18 · ·of time to -- to research this -- this nuance, but
19 · ·I've taken the position throughout this deposition
20 · ·that Mr. Haferman's communications with a healthcare
21 · ·provider are -- are privileged.· He's not putting
22 · ·that at issue.· He's not agreeing to -- to waive
23 · ·that privilege.· I -- I have agreed that anything
24 · ·that he conveyed to someone out of that
25 · ·communication with a healthcare provider, for
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·1 · ·example, his communications with a supervisor, I've
·2 · ·agreed are not privileged; his seeking
·3 · ·accommodations with his supervisor are not
·4 · ·privileged.· But I'm not aware of any case law, that
·5 · ·just because you're receiving treatment in the
·6 · ·context of a workers' compensation claim, that you
·7 · ·agree to waive your communications with that
·8 · ·healthcare provider under 13-90-107, CRS-13-90-107.
·9 · ·So I'm not --
10 · · · · THE COURT:· Was this -- was -- was this -- was
11 · ·this treatment being provided via workman's
12 · ·compensation, or was this an examination to
13 · ·determine whether workman's compensation would be
14 · ·paid?
15 · · · · MR. ABRAMSON:· It -- it is my understanding
16 · ·that this was a -- a determination of his duty
17 · ·status. So there would be -- so I -- I don't believe
18 · ·Ms. Schielke got to the nuances of his expectation
19 · ·of confidentiality.· His expectation of
20 · ·confidentiality was that the specifics that he told
21 · ·that healthcare provider were confidential, but he
22 · ·did understand that that healthcare provider would
23 · ·eventually opine on whether he was fit to return to
24 · ·duty.· And -- and for what it's worth, Your Honor,
25 · ·this isn't, like, a -- a -- Mr. Haferman's not a
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·1 · ·plaintiff in a personal injury case that I believe
·2 · ·has opened up the door to examination of -- of
·3 · ·damages of which he's seeking.· He has been adamant
·4 · ·that he is not waiving any privilege. And I'm,
·5 · ·again, unaware of any case law that says that just
·6 · ·because of the communication in the context of a
·7 · ·workers' compensation case that you agree to waive
·8 · ·that confidentiality.
·9 · · · · THE COURT:· What -- what -- what's the basis
10 · ·for the privilege claim?· The -- the physician-
11 · ·patient privilege, what -- what's your citation to
12 · ·authority for that?
13 · · · · MR. ABRAMSON:· Well, again, we're -- we're
14 · ·calling the Court in the middle of the deposition
15 · ·and I haven't spent a -- a lot of time on it, but it
16 · ·would be generally under Rule of Evidence 501, which
17 · ·would cross reference to CRS-13-90-107, which is the
18 · ·state privilege statute.
19 · · · · THE COURT:· Okay.· Give me a second. Okay, that
20 · ·s there.· Physician or health healthcare provider.
21 · ·Just looking at -- I've -- I've got a 13-90-107
22 · ·right now,· Who may not testify without consent.· ·I
23 · ·-- I'm going to overrule the objection.· I think
24 · ·that in the workman's compensation context where
25 · ·you're providing information to a -- I mean, I -- I
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·1 · ·believe it's relevant to the notice of the entity
·2 · ·that was employing him.· He understood that, at
·3 · ·least, the ultimate conclusions could be passed on
·4 · ·to other people.· I don't find that this is
·5 · ·necessarily privileged.· And so, I'm going to
·6 · ·overrule the objection and allow inquiry into what
·7 · ·he told the workman's compensation physician.· Any
·8 · ·questions about my ruling?
·9 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Not from me, Your Honor.· Thank
10 · ·you.
11 · · · · MR. ABRAMSON:· No, Your Honor.· Thanks.
12 · · · · THE COURT:· All right.
13 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Thank you.
14 · · · · THE COURT:· Bye-Bye
15 · · · · MS. SCHIELKE:· Bye.
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·1· · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·STATE OF COLORADO
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·4· ·I do hereby certify that the phone call in the foregoing
·5· ·transcript was taken on the date, and at the time and
·6· ·place set out on the Stipulation page hereof by me and
·7· ·that the said matter was recorded digitally by me and
·8· ·then reduced to typewritten form under my direction, and
·9· ·constitutes a true record of the transcript as taken, all
10 · ·to the best of my skills and ability. I certify that I am
11 · ·not a relative or employee of either counsel, and that I
12 · ·am in no way interested financially, directly or
13 · ·indirectly, in this action.
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23 · ·COURT REPORTER/NOTARY
24 · ·COMMISSION EXPIRES ON: 02/15/2027
25 · ·SUBMITTED ON:· 08/08/2024
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