HomeMy WebLinkAboutKINARD JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL POUDRE R1 SCHOOL DISTRICT 5400 ZIEGLER ROAD - Filed GC-GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE - 2008-03-03Susan Joy - FW: Ziegler Road Variance
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From: "Alaina K Marler" <amarler@jvajva.com>
To: "Susan Joy (E-mail)" <sjoy@fcgov.com>
Date: 1/11/05 9:OOAM
Subject: FW Ziegler Road Variance
Susan-
Poudre School District requires a variance in the vertical criteria of the centerline for Ziegler Road The
existing roadway and eastern flowline is currently at -0.4% on the longitude slope and flowline slope. The
requirement to desigr the road and raise the road to 0.5% has numerous design and cost implications
There are three connections for Ziegler Road that are used in the vertical design of the road The north
connection at the intersection of Shallow Pond Drive (East side), the intersection at Trilby Road and the
south connection of the road in the local street section that currently dead ends
Exhibit A -To hold the intersection of Trilby and Ziegler at existing elevation -
The cross slope in the intersection would meet requirements. The connection point back to existing
pavement on the north end is over a foot above existing pavement. This exceeds the cross slope
requirement on existing pavement sections ( 6.7% vs a max of 4%) This would require a grade beak or
vertical curve to slope back to the existing pavement at Shallow Pond Drive. Placing a grade break or
vertical curve would trap water on the street that cannot be drained by adding an inlet.
Exhibit B-To hold the centerline connection at existing pavement on the north end of Ziegler -
The intersection is at a saddle point. The affect is that the intersection lowers 1.11 which reduces critical
pipe cover. Other affects include the cross slopes from centerline to flowline are below requirements for
approximately 600 feet and the intersection does not drain properly The existing drainage pipe under
the pavement has the minimum cover The addition of new pipes to drain the intersection would be
elliptical and have less than minimum cover due to lowering the intersection
In addition to the exhibit, we have also attempted to add a high point to the Ziegler Road. This would a
crest vertical curve along the road. The addition of a vertical curve traps water on the north side of the
curve We looked at the addition of Inlet In this new 'sag' area The depth available Is insufficient to
drainage the sag The depth of the inlet is greater than the accompanying grades on the west side of the
road therefore, The inlets do not daylight into pond or swale on our side of the road
Therefore, we request that the centerline slope remain the same so that extensive reconstruction of the
intersection is not required.
Alaina Kneebone Marler
JVA, Incorporated
1319 Spruce Street
Boulder, CO 80302
Phone: 303 444 1951 ext. 35
Fax 303 444.1957
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CC: "Kevin Tone" <ktone@jvajva.com>
Because Old Legacy Drive will not continue south in the future, there is no longer a need for the
dry utilities to extend to the south. The dry utilities serving the Junior High School are being
provided from Ziegler Road. To the best of our knowledge, there is no connection of these
utilities with the utility easements running parallel to Homestead's south property line.
While the LCUASS Design Figure specifies a 9-ft utility easement on each side of a residential
local street, we are proposing a variance eliminating these easements around the proposed cul-
de-sac. We feel justified in requesting the variance listed above. Eliminating the easements will
still meet the needs of the utility providers and future residents of Lots 9 and 11. This variance
will not be detrimental to the public health, safety or welfare, nor should it pose increased
maintenance costs to the City of Fort Collins or any franchised utility company.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
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Micha J. McR elrts, P.E.
Project Engineer
cc: Ed Holder, Poudre School District
Rick Splittgerber, Splittgerber Construction
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Susan Joy - RE Kinnard Utility Easement Variance
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From: "Greenwalt, Dennis" <Dennis_Greenwalt@cable.comcast.com>
To: "'Susan Joy"' <sjoy@fcgov com>
Date: 4/11,12005 12 57 29 PM
Subject: RE Kinnard Utility Easement Variance
Susan
Yes I did mark it as no problems.
Dennis
---Original Message -----
From Susan Joy [mailto sjoy@fcgov.com]
Sent Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM
To Greenwalt, Dennis
Subject Kinnard Utility Easement Variance
Hi Dennis,
Could you verify for me that you had no problems with the Kinnard
Utility Variance that went around. The engineer from Northern returned
the box with No Problem checked off but you hadn't signed it. I just
wanted to make sure that you were truly "ok" with this.
Thanks very much,
Susan
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Susan- Poudre School District requires a variance in the vertical criteria of the centerline for Ziegler
Road The existing roadway and eastern flowline is currently at —0.4% on the longitude slope and flowline
slope The requirement to design the road and raise the road to 0.5% has numerous design and cost
implications. There are three connections for Ziegler Road that are used in the vertical design of the
road The north connection at the intersection of Shallow Pond Drive (East side), the intersection at Trilby
Road and the south connection of the road in the local street section that currently dead ends. Exhibit A -
To hold the intersection of Trilby and Ziegler at existing elevation- The cross slope in the intersection
would meet requi-ements. The connection point back to existing pavement on the north end Is over a foot
above existing pavement. This exceeds the cross slope requirement on existing pavement sections (
6.7°/ vsa max of 4%) This would require a grade break or vertical curve to slope back to the existing
pavement at Shallow Pond Drive. Placing a grade break or vertical curve would trap water on the street
that cannot be drained by adding an Inlet Exhibit B-To hold the centerline connection at existing
pavement on the north end of Ziegler- The intersection is at a saddle point. The affect is that the
intersection lowers 1.11 which reduces critical pipe cover. Other affects Include the cross slopes from
centerline to flowline are below requirements for approximately 600 feet and the intersection does not
drain properly. The existing drainage pipe under -he pavement has the minimum cover The addition of
new pipes to drain the intersection would be elliptical and have less than minimum cover due to lowering
the intersection. In addition to the exhibit. we have also attempted to add a high point to the Ziegler
Road This would a crest vertical curve along the road. The addition of a vertical curve traps water on the
north side of the curve. We looked at the addition of inlet In this new 'sag' area. The depth available is
insufficient to drainage the sag. The depth of the Inlet Is greater than the accompanying grades on the
west side of the road. therefore, The inlets do not daylight into pond or swale on our side of the road
Therefore, we request that the centerline slope remain the same so that extensive reconstruction of the
intersection is not required.
Alaina Kneebone Marler
JVA Incorporated
1319 Spruce Street
Boulder, CO 80302
Susan Joy - Ziegler Cross Sections
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From:
"Alaina K. Marler" <amarler@jvajva com>
To:
"Susan Joy (E-mail)" <sjoy@fcgov_com>
Date:
1/11/05 4 35PM
Subject:
Ziegler Cross Sections
Susan -
Here are 3 cross sections plots for Kinard. The 3 sheets are laid out similar. They show the same cross
section with 3 different scenarios The existing centerline and east flowline are labeled in red. The
proposed condition is drawn in green. New cross slopes are shown on each cross section. Each scenario
is labeled on the cross section and what exhibit it relates to. This clearly shows that leaving the existing
street slope is the best alternative with all the scenarios.
The first file shows cross sections at the north connection on Ziegler. The top cross section shows what
the road will look like if we kept it at the current slope, 0.43% The mid cross section correlates with
Exhibit A, with the intersection of Ziegler and Trilby held and the road sloping up towards the north
property line The bottom cross section on the sheet correlates to Exhibit B, the north connection point is
held and the road slopes down toward the intersection
File 2 shows a cross suction near the right lane taper File 3 shows cross sections of the intersection per
I would be happy to discuss these with you and the City staff.
Thank you,
Alaina Kneebone Marler
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CC: "Edward Holder (E-mail)'' <eholder@psdschools org>, "Ken Field (E-mail)"
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March 17. 2005
Ms. Susan Joy
City of Fort Collins Engineering Department
281 North College Avenue
Fort Collins. Colorado 80521
RE: Utility Plans for Poudre School District
Trilby Road and Ziegler Road
(Homestead/Kinard JHS Cul-de-sac)
Request for Variance
Susan:
This letter is in regards to the Homestead/Kinard JHS Cul-de-sac project, and in particular, to
request a variance on the utility easements adjacent to the proposed cul-de-sac. The owner for
this project is the Poudre School District. The contact person for the school district is Ed Holder
of the Planning, Design and Construction Department. The Larimer County Urban Area Street
Standards (LCUASS) have been referenced in this letter. Specifically, a variance is being
requested from Figure 7-9F for the typical section of a Residential Local Street.
At the time Homestead P.U.D. was master planned and designed, it was predicted that Old
Legacy Drive would continue south of the development to provide a connection with future
developments. The property immediately south of Homestead; however, was recently
purchased by the Poudre School District and is currently being designed for Kinard Junior High
School. The south connection provided by Old Legacy Drive is no longer needed. As part of
this project, a Cul-de-sac will be constructed at the end of Old Legacy Drive. This cul-de-sac will
provide a place for south bound Old Legacy Drive traffic to turn around, and it will provide
emergency access to Kinard Junior High School.
According to Figure 7-9F, the cul-de-sac project will require the dedication of new right-of-way
and the dedication of a new 9' utility easement around the cul-de-sac. The new right-of-way and
9' utility easement will occupy portions of Lots 9 and 11 of the Homestead P.U.D., and a portion
of the property now owned by the school district. The 9' easement on the east side of the cul-
de-sac and along the school district's property will provide no additional service or availability to
any additional or future consumer(s). The 9' easement on the west side of the cul-de-sac,
likewise will provide no additional service, either currently or in the future. It will, however,
encroach on an existing irrigation easement, and will literally incorporate a portion of an existing.
irrigation manhole. In order to avoid this conflict by providing the irrigation company its desired
20' easement, the cul-de-sac will have to shift approximately 25' to the south. A shift of this
magnitude will have a serious negative impact on the Junior High School site.
Dry utilities are currently in place within the existing 9' utility easements, and terminate at the
south end of Old Legacy Drive (both sides). Before the cul-de-sac is constructed, approximately
52 linear feet of Old Legacy Drive will have to be demolished and removed. At that time the dry
utilities will have to be abandoned back to approximately the same location. It is our opinion that
even with the dry utilities being shortened by 52 feet, they will still be able to provide service to
Lots 9 and 11.
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