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HomeMy WebLinkAboutASPEN KNOLLS - Filed GC-GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE - 2003-07-31EC IVFD MAR 71978 Planning and City Hall Fort Collins, WILLIAM C. STOVER ATTORNEY AT LAW UNITED BANK BUILDING -SUITE 315 FORT COLLINS, COLORADO 80522 Zoning Office Colorado 80521 March 2, 1978 P. O. BOX 523 482-3804 AREA CODE 303 RE- No. 2,6- , Aspen Knolls subdivision - preliminary plan -*Tg8 Village West 9th - preliminary plan Gentlemen: Though Marc Middel of Aspen Knolls has contacted us nothing definitly has been done by New Mercer Ditch Company to approve that plan. As far as we can determine from examining the map such subdivision would greatly increase the run-off into New mo rcer Ditch and, until plans for the disposition of run-off have been made, we would definitly oppose the granting of any approval. As to the second matter Nortran Joint Venture has not contacted us at all concerning their Village West subdivision 9th Filing and we feel the same will materially effect our ditch and would want to have them meet with us and make satisfactory arrangements or otherwise we would definately object to the approval of.this application. Very truly yours, William C. St ver cc; Louie Swift WCS :ms plan-,0-19 ,nd zoning Bo, 14inutes y.1rc-h 13, 1978 page 7. s Sp^cif-ic staff concerns were: 15-raffic Circulation. The major concerns from the February ra�eting have been resolved by the redesigned street pattern. iiie discosition of the 17' x 17" parcel between the R.O.W. an the cir_lrch property will be worked out between the church and the developer. It will not remain as an outlot as currently sha.,rn. 2__Pights-of-t9ay Improveffents. A seven -foot pedestrian,/ bikepath ,,7ill be required along Taft hill Road. the curb and gutter on Taft Hill Road adjacent to the Flmanuel CLristian R:-forued Church has been constructed too far to the east_ It will be properly relocated at the City's e:,perse_ the developer of Aspen Knolls should coordinate the plaae:rent of street improvaiTents with this relocation; s <� aoalicant has indicated only 50' R.O. 1. for local streets. Tne s,.�_-di vision ordinance requires 60' _ `There is ho,.,�ever, roo.n to shcF.Y 60' R.O.W. without making -the lots unbui.ld ble except peri-taps one triangular shaped lot. 3-Ex-ist,ing adjacent utilites and ease,-:ents are not shown. 1be c'evelo�er should indicate proposed routing of sanitary sen:er since : n easern,nt may have to be obtained through existing c:_velop: x'nt to the north- water mains should be looped; :e detenLion pond should discharge into the Spring Creelk cL_aina e systc�n rather than into the new Mercer Canal_ i,ie cirai aga pr_cblem is a historic one which will have to he :-,turned out bebie• n the devel.o�=rs and staff. e V ,� motion) _ Suggested that since this �Lll 1.�C;��. lOi 1.�_i7t Wtt-�_r G• item ana '; 47-78 w,!re designed and presented together that staff cents on Village ?•-est 9th be heard before fur er discssi.cn on Pspan Knolls. u f3ob i;urn'1� Agreed that this could he d- ne, but specified that any. m ions rp ode on the two i te,-5 be sep;?rat-- i 47 Village Vest Stia3ivi sion 9th Filing, Preliminary Plan. Description: Proposal for 76 single falidly lots on 19.6 acres zon??d R-L, io%-7 Dansity Residential District, located o:z Stu- -- � St_cet e at of South Taft Hill Road_ -plicant: 1 ortran Joint Venture, 1700 Valley Forge F�a3, Fort Collins, Colorado, 80521. Elck)n Weird: Presenthe following thfollowing staff co:rsrents and reco:ire.^.3ations: 'finis propo-1-al represents a Eajor redesign of the controversial plan revie::ed by the Board last April_ he "T" cul-de--sacs have reolacz_d by loop streets and Stuart Street has �- t� h-, os�� '" frc'm it, Etiicii>>?_O1 �:2St OF f Taft Bill st. ff f: _Is tl_.e traffic c cirLila.tion pattern and general d �siyn of the plan %.;ork very well_ Specific caz-a-ents are: 1. ih, anplihas inch cater only 50' rights -of way for Ilartram Homes ,July 28, 11»8 Air. Ilon ParSOnS City krigineering City of Dort Collins 300 LaPorte /Avenue. Dort Collins, Colorado 50521 Dcar Mr. Parsons, It is proposed that sl.orm water run-off from the Village West Ninth Filing and the �spcn Knolls SUbdiVis",ons be discharged into the New Mercer Canal. The New Mercer t;an�rl abuts the, northeast corner of the development site, and is the waterway that presently receives the storm water run-off from the presently undeveloped land. The continuance of storm water discharge into the Now Mercer Canal is considered to be the only feasib=_e alternative of those available, and this approach is con- sistent with the 1071 Black � Veatch Storm tGater Drainage Facilities Report for the City of Fort Collins. The only possible alternative is to discharge the run-off into the natural thalweg located north of the development site, the storm water thusly to follow an approx- imitely one (1) mile course to Spring Creek. Delivering the drainage to the natural thalwe(,' would require the immediate crossing of two ditches - the New Mercer Canal and the I,arimer County Number 2 Canal. Once there the channel itself poses the following-, limitations in handling the additional run-off: 1) Fxisting ponds v,ithin the Prospect Green Development are not sized to take additional run-off. B) Buildings within the Prospect Green Development may be too close and/or too low to permit the passage of additional run-off without damage to these structures. C) Lxisting pipes under both fleatherridge Road and Shields Street have not been sized to ,iccommodite the additional run-off. The above listed limitations are also applicable to apartment development at the north- west intersection of Stuart and. Prospect, called the Northwood Apartments. Additionally, there arc unplatted areas between the two ditches and also cast of llcathcrric]gc ,and Prospect where no easements exist to handle the water. All above items arc representative of only a_ cursory review of this natural channel, but demonstrate the unsitable nature of this alternate drainage course, nor would such an approach be in kceping with any existing comprehensive drain�.ge plan. 1942 Constitntion Arenm- Fort Collins, Colorado 80521 Ph. (303) 482-7221 (2) File developors of dill,()(, Nest Ninth Filing do not have the authority to acquire the necess,iry Right of N'Iys, or to financially discharge the water through this area. It can only he clone w th i complete study of this drainage area. Also, the costs to handle the storm water in this manner would be prohibitive. As presented in our July 27th meeting, our position is to agree to discharge water from the detention pond into, under, or over the New Mercer Canal. It then is the responsihility of the City of Dort Collins to plan for, and accept the water at this point. Ive have agreed to wort: with the City and the engineers for the New Mercer Ditch Co. to arrive at ,l final solution. We pr-ospos(' to proceed with development and will fulfill the above committment when the Ciiy has made its final decision i.n conjunction with the Ditch Company as agreed in our meeting with the City and the Ditch Company on July 26, 1978. This decision is expected to he completed by September 15.' 1978. I hcrchy re,iucst the Cite of Fort Collins to agree to this request and prepare the finaI utility agreement F�)r tho Village West Ninth Filing and the Aspen Knolls Sub- division. Sincerely Wi I 1 i am 1). Bart r,in President - R,irtran homes, Inc. %z CITY OF FOW COLLINS Memorandum DATE: August 21, 1978 TO: The Developers of Village West, 9th Subdivision and Aspen Knolls Subdivision FROM: Donald M. Parsons, City Engineer BE: Construction of Water and Sewer Lines The utility plans for the Village West 9th and Aspen Knolls Subdivisions have not been signed by this office awaiting a final design of the deten- tion pond. It is not anticipated that any change will be made in the water and sewer lines as submitted on the utility plans. Therefore, permission is hereby granted for the installation of water and sanitary and storm sewer lines in accordance with the utility plans. The following conditions are a consideration of this grant: 1. The Developer shall suhrnit a letter guaranteeing this office that should any reconstruction of the water, sanitary or storm sewer be necessitated as a result of the detention pond redesign, it shall be reconstructed at his expense. 2. A detention pond design acceptable to the City Engineer's Office will be agreed to on or before September 8, 1978. Sincerely, Donald M. P sons, City Engineer DMP:nkk / .•¢ ems--- _� _ •_—.. f� ....`" CITY OF FORT COLLINS P.O. BOX 580yFORT COLLINS, COLORADO 80522 PH (303) 484-4220 EXT. 3( ENGINEERING SERVICES DEPARTMENT Mr. Gorge Weitzel Weitzel Excavating 225 S. Taft Hills Road Fort Collins, Colorado Dear Mr. Weitzel: February 1, 1979 Re: Village West 9th and Aspen Knolls Subdivision It is indicated in our records dated August 6, 1978 that while you were working on the above subdivisions, your water truck damaged the curb and gutter adjacent to the fire hydrant at 1900 S. Taft Hill Road. We would appreciate you looking into this matter. It appears that approximately 20 feet of vertical curb and gutter needs to be replaced and some asphalt patching in front of the hydrant is indicated to correct this situation. We realize that the severity of the weather will delay this repair for scene time. However, once the construction season begins, we hope you will see to this matter as soon as possible. If you. have any questions regarding this matter, please feel free to call me. Thank you for your cooperation. Sincerely, Matt J. Construction Inspector cc: Middel Enterprises F3artran Hanes, Inc. 100% Recycled Bond Middel Enterprises, Inc. 1407 SOUTH COLLEGE AVENUE P. e.-BOX 7 48t FORT COLLINS, COLORADO 80522 March 27, 1979 Mr. Maurice Rupel City of Fort Collins Engineering Department 300 LaPorte Avenue Fort Collins, Colorado 80521 RE: ASEPN KNOLLS SUBDIVISION BY--� AFT HILL DEVELOPMENT CORP. Dear Mauri: PHONE 221-1100 AREA CODE (303) Pursuant to our meeting on March 26, 1979 between yourself, Roy Bingham and my father and I, I am addressing this letter to confirm the mutual agreement reached regarding the issuance of building permits on the Aspen Knolls Subdivision in Fort Collins, Colorado. It is my understanding that building permits will be issued for lots 21 through 37. However, construction on lots 21 through 30 will not be commenced until such time as the asphalt base is installed in the streets adjoining those lots. This base will be put into place as soon as weather and manpower permits. I am submitting two copies of this letter, one for your file and one For myself. I would appreciate it if you would sign in the appropriate place at the bottom of this letter and return one executed copy to me at the address in the letterhead. If you have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me.. Thank you very much. I,JRICE RUPEL , E gi eering C ` .tIDDEI — Secretary -Treasurer_ , Dept., City of Fort Collin-S, Taft Hill Development Corp. Colorado -- illAu Aar James H. Stewart and Associates, Inc. Consulting Engineers and Surveyors October 16, 1979 Mr. Marc Engemoen City Engineers Office City of Fort Collins P.O. Box 429 Fort Collins, CO 80522 Dear Marc: This is to inform you that we have checked the detention pond for Aspen Knolls and Village West 9th Filing. It was found to have been constructed according to the plans. We are enclosing a copy of the pond plan with the existing elevations written in black. It is our understanding the City of Fort Collins will now begin maintenance of the pond. If you have any questions regarding this matter, please call. Sincerely, JAMES H. STEWART AND ASSOCIATES, INC. a� Richard A. Rutherford, P.E. & L.S. Secretary -Treasurer RAR/cjf xc:Bartran Homes, Marc Middel Attachment OFFICE- 214 NORTH HOWFS • P.O. BOX 429 • FORT COLLINS, COLORADO 80522 • "1 ELFPHONF AREA 303/482-9331 (! I1 UI I till t (�I I I\ti IM 1`,IO.N December 11, 1979 Sterling Paving Companies Attn: Dale !.tiller 1800 N. Taft Mil Road Fort Collins, Colorado Dear Dale: This letter is to inform you that the Construction Inspection Departr,ent has made field inspections on the following subdivisions in order to determine the feasibility of installing pavements. l,!oodlands P.U.D. Rossborough Larkborough Aspen Knolls Cedar Village 4th Golden Meadows 2nd Four Seasons Site investigations 171ade on December 10 and 11, 1979 revealed that in all cases the in -place base material eras cohrpletely penetrated by frost. It was also found that the sub -grade material contained frost in varying depths ranging from a5 to oreater than 1.2 Beet. Due to the frozen state of the base and sub -grade materials at this time, we rcgllost that plac,(,wont of asphalt pavements on the above listed projects be delayed until the spring of 1930, or until the %,,eather becomes consistently ti;,arm enough to coiilpletely reirove all frost and allow stabilization of the existing materials. It should be noted that the City Specifications state: No surfacing shall he placed unless the at�ospheric temperature in the shade is at least forty (40) degrees F. and rising, and other Breather conditions are suitable. In no case shall pavements be laid on foundations in ti.rhich frost is present. If you have any questions or when you feel the ,reather will allow you to resume construction, please do not hesitate to call me at your convenience. "Very truly yours, Rodney R. Albers Construction Inspector r_c: Roy Ringr�an, Director of Engineering Services Dare Stringer, Chief Construction Inspector ":��ri Rupel , Developrr,ent Engineer CITY OI LORI (OLLINS ENGINELRING DIVISION December 21, 1979 iT u .IYi+. h.Ji.✓..._v✓' •. � n.:. ...AW.w�.. -. n-..� m.:�Ln., ua.:wa. P O. 13OX 580, FORT COLLINS, <0LORADO S0522 PH (3031 484-4220 EXT. 728 Mr. Bernard L. Cain, Jr. Bartran Homes, Inc. 1942 Constitution Avenue Fort Collins, Colorado Dear Mr. Cain: Ile have rece_ved your letter of December 7 with a cony of the concrete test results for the box culvert flume on the Aspen Knolls -Village FYest 9th detention facility. Based upon these results and the letter from James H. Stewart & Associates stating the pond construction is in conformance with the approved utility drawings, the City accepts this installation for maintenance, effective January 1, 1980. Sincerely, Mar En Moen cc: Marc Middel Frank Fisch Dave Stringer C I I 1 OI I (W I l OI I I \,) P.O. Boa 580, Fort Collins, Colorado 80522 Phf 303) 484-4220 E 7 78 ENGINEERING DIVISION November 18, 1980 Mr. Marc Middel Middel Realty 1407 S. College Ft. Collins, Colorado The public improvements in the Aspen Knolls Subdivision have been oompleted and accepted for City maintenance pending normal contractor warranty periods. This acceptance does not, however, relieve either the builder or developer from their obligation to clean the streets and sidewalks of construction related dirt, nor is it a blanket acceptance of curb, gutter and walk adjacent to undeveloped lots. Respectfully' yours, 6O'A Ga Construction Inspector March 17, 1978 TO: Eldon Ward., Planning Department FROM: Marc Engernoen, Engineering Division RE: Storm Drainage for Aspen Knolls - Village West 9th It seems there has been some confusion on the part of the developers for the Aspen Knolls and Village West 9th subdivisions about the comments made by our office regarding storm drainage for these developments at the last Planning and Zoning preliminary meeting. We are currently reviewing new storm drainage specifications based on the Urban Storm Drainage Criteria Manual. Twn of the major points indicated in the drainage policy are that irrigation ditches shall not be used as outfall points for initial or major drainage systems unless such use is shown to be without unreasonable hazard substantiated by thorough hydraulic engineering analysis, and that natural drainage ways shall be used for storm runoff waterways whenever possible. The preliminary plans for the Aspen Knolls - Village West 9th subdivisions suggested the use of a combined detention pond with an outlet into New Mercer Canal. We agree with the proposal for a joint pond; however, the outflow should be siphoned under. New Mercer Canal and enter the Larimer County No. 2 ditch. With this arrange.-nent, we would, in the future ask the developers of the prop- erties east of these subdivisions to siphon the storm water under the Larimer No. 2 ditch thus allowing the run --off to reach a natural drainage way - Spring Creek. Naturally, appropriate ditch company approval would have to be obtained. It is essential that we begin to examine storm drainage on a long-range basis, and in tits sense, it is of the utmost importance that we provide for storm water access to natural drainage ways rather than relying on the unlimited use of the canals. If there are any further questions regarding this matter, please contact us for additional information. ME:cs 1�2•`-r 11 c1nc�a� UMQ (ft%f\o. Co 8o52(o o r m,,c*, cbcenC'9S1 �nq 6� RCN ..a`1(�•,� j �` • ` 'CRC cc.. Are �� s � an � fie. S��`` l t•• �)Ck4v\ ) W�.o� iR2 �th2 0i Ae qsrm IIY 01.1111.11.1.1111 INS � P.O. Box 580 Fort Collins Colorado 80522 Ph 303 4844220 Ext, 728 ENGINEERING DIVISION January 3, 1983 Mr. Sandy Thayer 182-/ Michael Lane Ft. Collins, Colorado Sandy, The following is in response to your concerns regarding the development of Dr. R. T. Smith's property. Your concern of the blocking of the drainage by the stock piling of excess materials is a legitimate one. However, this stock piling of material is only temporary and once the stock piling operation is completed the drainageway will be opened again. The contractor on site has been advised of this condition through our constriction inspection department. You are correct in that the final drainage pattern will be directed along the western and then the southern property lines of Dr. Smith's property. Until this drainageway is constructed, the drainage pattern on site from the southern area will remain as it has historically. This southern area, as I understand, will not be developed until the drainageway is constructed. If the above does not answer your concerns or raises additional ones, please feel free to contact me. Sincerely, Robert W. Smith Assistant City Engineer - Storm Drainage cc: Dave Stringer Develo, ent Services (MM!!M61�i0mm City of Fort Collins Engineering Department November 27, 1990 Larimer County Assessor Attn: Janet Gleiforst P.O. Box 1190 Fort Collins, Colorado 80522 Re: Lot 16 - Aspen Knolls Subdivision Dear Ms. Gleiforst: Per our telephone conversation of November 26, 1990 concerning the status of Lot 16 (1932 Promenade Way) in the Aspen Knoll development, I believe this to be a buildable lot. In researching our records, Lot 16 may have been designated as a temporary detention site until the permanent facility was constructed. The City accepted the permanent detention pond on January 1, 1980. With the acceptance of this facility the temporary structure was no longer needed. Therefore, the City will not withhold the issuance of a building permit for Lot 16 based upon storm drainage requirements. Hopefully, this clears up the question regarding Lot 16. If you have any further questions, please call me at 221-6605. Sincerely, 1 ��Z David Stringer Chief Construction Inspector cc: Aspen Knolls file 281 North College Avenue - P.O. Box 580 - Fort Collins, CO 80522-0580 - (303) 221-6605 .�� Post Office Box 580 Y Fort Collins, Colorado 80521 Telephone 303 484.4220 Plarch 21, 1978 The City is currently in the process of reviewing and finalizing the new storm drainage specifications based on the DRCOG Urban Storm Drainage Criteria I,L=inual. The basic policies of the new specifications have been thoroughly rcvie; d and tentatively agreed upon; however, the actual approval by the proper C i-ty authority r-ay be delayed so_rvec•inat due to our present staff shortage as �-'l as the cLa-,an--uut nature of such revie7a processes_ in view of this potential delay, we feel strongly that it is in the best interests of the City as i,ell as the developers and engineers in the community to implenv--nt certain portions of the new specifications as soon as possible. As you fray be aware, the City has recently begun to establish a mre comprehensive storm drainage program, of which these spr^cifications are an integral part, and the invediate implemen- tation of the new drainage design procedures will help insure a continuous and effective transition to the new policy once formal approval is obtained. The essential requirelrents of the specifications which should be incorpo- rated into the utility plans review process as soon as possible are as fol1a,7s: (1) Subni t wit;1 all utility plans a drainage report which reviews both axistir_g and proposed drainage conditions (including contours) and which also includes all calculations for detention volumes, pipes, controlled outflows, channel i-tprovorrents, and/or other drainage features. (2) The detention required shall be determined by the 100-year (1% recurrence) d v lo, r cl storm with the release rate equal to the t�,o ye-tr historical storm. Page 2 ILIarch 21, 1978 Ilistorical conditions shall be defined as that site in its natural state; developed conditions shall be that site in its fully developed state. The runoff charts based on Black and Veatch's curves for storms of three hour dura- tion will no longer be used to calculate the required detention volume. Instead, the c,uziulative runoff method described in the "Storage" section of the criteria Manual shall be used (3) Irrigation ditches shall not be used as outfall points for initial or major drainage systems unless such use is shown to, be without unreasonable hazard substantiated by thorough hydraulic engineering analysis, and natural drainage ways s',',..all be used for storm runoff watenrays tiinenever possible. It is essential that we begin to examine store drainage on a long range basis, and in this sense, it is of the utmost importance that we provide for storm water access to natural drainage says rather than relying on the unlimited use of the canals. (4) k equate reasures si-all be taken to accor c'ate the passage of major storrtis lip to the 100-year stor:z through the pr—o e ty while allowing only dju- mal dai�age. Naturally, the chang=e-over to the new procures will entail a certain. aK)unt of confusion, but with a concerted effort by the City and the private sector, we should be able to successfully i^mle7ent the new drainage program in the it r ,? i a to future. Thank you for your cooperation. If you have any further questions or '01wo act like additional info=ation reg�sding this matter, -� e cor_tact cur office. Sincerely, Donald M. Pars . s city Engineer D % Pt : c s 14EETING OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE NE6-t MERCER DITCH CO_'jP,,rIY July 17, 1978 At a meeting of the Board of Directors of The New Mercer Ditch Company on the l7th day of July, 1978, upon groper notice and �:ith a quorum present, the fcllowinr resolution tras adcnted by the Board: RESOLVED: That after full discussion and considerable study, and upon the reco:.-merdation of the Company's engineers, The New Mercer Ditch Company resolves that until further studies can be. com:pleted .and a final determination made, it shall no longer permit the diversion of nonhistori c runcff into the Cer.-LLpanv's (-itch or its Company-o�-.,ned laterals, except such nor -historic waters as r•:ay :low be diverted therein by prior written agreem.e t or by cor.:mmon-1y accepted past usage through discharge pcints established more than three (3) years prior to the date of this resolution. The secretary is hereby instructed to notify all present applicants fo17 such diversion and such others as may now be dischargi::g ir. violaticn of the purport of this resolution. BY O?DEIR OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, July 19, 1978 Copies sent to: City Manager Art March Marc Middel James Stewart and Associates M & I Inc. Dave Love Bartran Homes Tnm HivF,c, — ri t-v 4dat-Pr ;:;n As,rnr 4�"2��A - '//u/n, Aa P4 CITY OF FORT COLLINS Memorandum DATE: July 25,1978 TO: John Arnold, City Manager FP,OM: Don Parsons, City Engineer THRU: Roy Bin(.pan, Director of Public Works PE: Storm Drainage for Aspen Knolls -Village West 9th As you know, the City has been involved for some time in re-evaluating the storm drainage program and attanpting to update our design and construction practices in this crucial area. The Engineering staff has examined a number of references on this subject and has determined that the Denver Regional Council of Goverril-ents Urban Storm Drainage Criteria Manuel provides the most co,-._rehensive and effective guide in dealing with storm drainage in Fort Collins. We have developed a set of storm drainage specifications has(-d on these manuals, and while there are certain refinements still necessary before the specifications are adopted, we have asked the local developers and engineers to comply with the major aspects of these speci- fications in order to insure the most continuous and effective transition to the new drainage program. In implementing this transition, probably the most substantial obstacle encountered thus far has involved the use of irrigation ditches as outfall points for drainage systems. In past _years it has been cowon practice for municipalities to discharge storm waters into irrigation ditches because of their convenience and nroximity. Generally, because the irrigation ditches tend to parallel the contours, and drainage �,rays cross them, the major drainage runoff has flowed into these ditches. The recent increase of problems, caused by overflowing of irrigation ditches, has made it apparent that the use of irrigation ditches for the collection of storm runoff eras often ill-advised. Throughout the region numerous hardships have been caused by irrigation ditches overflowing at uncontrolled points of discharge. Irrespective of rkast practices and court determinations, it is clear from a hydraulic 2 standpoint that the use of irrigation ditches to collect storm runoff_ must be subjected to close evaluation and review to reduce existing problems and to prevent additional hazards from being created. The best rule to follow in planning drainage improvements, whether following the natural watercourse or artificially draining surface water, is that the municipality is liable if it actively injures private property as the result of improvements made to handle surface water. A city is in a much stronger position if it can establish that the improvement followed the natural drainage. In view of this, if there is any doubt about liability involved, it would be prudent to proceed in a manner which would leave the storm runoff in its natural watercourse, and furthermore, to proceed in a manner which will result in the minimal hazard to those properties potentially affected. The irrigation and canal companies whose ditches course through urbanized areas of Fort Collins, as well as many areas which will be de- veloped in the future, have registered with both the City and the local developer and -their engineers their concern regarding the limited capacity of these ditches and the increasing quantities of storm runoff being diverted into than by recent developments. The City certainly shares the ditch com- panies' concerns in this regard, and has indicated on a number of occasions that a thorough hydraulic engineering analysis should be undertaken to establish that the discharge of storm runoff into an irrigation ditch may be accomplished without unreasonable hazard whenever such drainage alterna- tives are considered. In the specific case of the Aspen Knolls and Village West 9th develop- ments, the City's position -regarding the disposition of storm runoff from these developments has been consistent with the foregoing considerations. The engineering comrents transmitted to the City Planning Department at the preliminary Planning and zoning meeting of January 26, 1978 for Aspen Knolls state that storm waters from the detention pond should not be discharged into the New Mercer canal unless no other reasonable alternative could be developed. `Phis position i,.,,as repeated at the preliminary Planning and zoning meeting on February 27, when a combined proposal for Aspen Knolls and Village West 9th was reviewed. At that time, engineering advised that consideration should be given to storm runoff being discharged into a natural drainage way rather than into the :irrigation ditch. This comment is reflected in the specific staff concerns for these developments in the Planning and zoning Board 3 minutes of March 13, 1978, a copy of which is attached to this memo. Following this meeting, at which both Mr. Bartran and Mr. Middel were present, the engineering division forwarded to the planning department a memo clarifying this position, a copy of which is also attached. The memo clearly states that the runoff should be directed under the New Mercer Canal to be taken eventually to the Spring Creek drainage way. At the time, a preliminary alternative of allowing the water to enter the Larimer County No. 2 ditch was suggested, but this alternative was never examined further in order to determine whether or not such a disposition of the runoff would prove to be more effective and overall, more economical than siphoning the runoff under this ditch as well and taking it into the Spring Creek system. Furthermore, the City reiterated all of these points in the attached letter dated March 21 which was sent to the local developers and engineers, including Mr. Cain of Bartran Homes and Janes Stewart and Associates. Throughout the utility plan review process for the Aspen Knolls -Village Vq'est 9th subdivisions, these drainage concerns have been consistently side- stepped. No drainage report considering any of the alternatives other than direct discharge into the ditch has been submitted; no thorough hydraulic analysis of the effects of such discharge into the ditch has been made; nor has any consideration of other drainage alternatives taken place which might bring a more effective, and over the long run, more economical solution to fruition. Rather., the time has been spent on a number of time-consuming byways, such as the possibility of discharging storm ,raters at various flows corresponding to "historical" conditions rather than at the two year level, and the justification of a storm sewer to reduce street innundation. In addition, desp;Lte the developer's assurance that the New Mercer ditch company's approval of the proposed discharge was forthcoming, Mr. Swift, the ditch company president, has indicated on two recent occations that the ditch will not accept the proposed discharge. The engineering staff's position remains the same. First, we will support the drainage plan which will be, over the long run, the most efficient and economical solution. However, such a judgement cannot be made unless all the reasonable alternatives are analyzed. Second, any use of an irrigation Glitch as part of a storm drainage system should be preceded by an hydraulic engineering analysis demonstrating that such use is without unreasonable hazard. And finally, until an accurate determination can be made to firmly establish the role of the irrigation ditches in the City's overall storm drainage program, the policy of directing storm runoff toward natural drainage ways should he pursued. RWMAMMMMS