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Home My WebLink AboutMINUTES-04/18/1975-Adjournedu April 18, 1975 COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF FORT COLLINS, COLORADO Council -Manager Form of Government Adjourned Meeting - 1:00 P.M. An Adjourned Meeting of the Council ol: the laity of Pert Cul I inti w:c• 11cid fill Friday, April 18, 1975 at 1:00 P.M. in the Coulicil Chamber of the City Hall, Mayor Russell called the meeting to order. There were present: Council members Bloom, Bowling, Gray, Reeves, Russell,.Suinn and Wilkinson. Staff members present: Brunton, Phillips, Weber, Cain and Hoffman. 00 Also: City Attorney March. :r7 Mayor Russell stated the purpose of the meeting was to further discuss the W library project and called for input from the audience. rhar-les xx,,..,...els rl...:.......... t tl,.. al,....,..... o,,,....a ,..x..,S84 ;lh t tie �x..-,....... vracrrc�--t�zxrcci , cxxazxn¢ax orcxc x , 4..Q. d i'Gnt'r ..l...t ir LQ-t Env the M_,qa +m 2;;d a oat deal nF r 4:Q1Z tl.o ��Setiffi Corrected at Council on May 6, 1975. David Watrous spoke to possibly locating the Pioneer Museum in the old library building after the library is moved to the new building; the new library building should occupy some other area of the "library park" rather ' than that spot now occupied by the Museum building; this would enable the museum to contunue to be open and not have to be stored and would eliminate the costs of a double move. Charles Hagemeister suggested the following locations as alternative museum sites: 1) picking up the museum building as it now exists and placing it at the old fort site; 2) convert the old power plant, 3) a museum complex near the fort site, as opposed to moving existing building, due to costs involved in moving such a building. Councilman Suinn asked Mr. Hagemeister to elaborate more on the museum program. Mr. Hagemeister stated that the museum program has been slowly developing from a"City attic concept" to an "education concept", directed to all levels of the citizenry, from an old gentlemen curator who tells stories of the 'old west" to a professionally trained curator, the develop- ment of traveling exhibits, etc. Also, durvig the upcoming Centennial - Bicentennial festivities, the Yuseum should not be closed up for remodeling Councilman Bowling inquired of Mr. Al Zeigel, one of the architects, if the library building could be moved to another site on the "library park", f and then demolish the museum building after the new library is built? Could the building be shifted. to the north or the south? Mr. Zeigel stated that part of the problem stems from the fact that the museum is now occupying` the best site for the new library building in Lincoln Park. His sugges- tion would be to find out how to build the new library building around 267 G.b N the museum so that tho museum could contviue to operate for a time. Mayor Russell asked for verification from Mr. Zeigol as to what determines ' the "right site". Mr. Zeizel stated it was primarily based on what is termed the essence of the park, and the limited part of the park which could be built on without hurting the park to the extent that you would lose the sense of the park. Councilman Wilkinson stated he had a suggestion to make as a possible solution to the interim location of the museum, if that becomes necessary; on Cherry Street, next to the Giddings Machine Shop, there is a brand new building with 6,800 square feet which is available to be used, it is next to the Old Fort Site for the '76 Centennial gives the City the capabilities of being able to move immediately, and then the City can decide on the best site for the museum later if this were acceptable to the Pioneer Museum Board. Councilman Bowling inquired into the costs for leasing, buying, moving, etc. Mr. Brunton, City Manager, stated that in the report he and Mr. March, City Attorney, put together, there were some estimates as to the cost for storage and moving the artifacts from the museum. Mayor Russell stated there were now three important steps Council needed to take!l) to decide whether an idea of picking up the museum and moving it ' is practical or impractical, and 2) to decide whether the museum should seek another source,or 3) to decide to follow the suggestion of Mr. Watrous. Councilwoman Gray inquired into the time involved if the museum were to move? Time involved in packing, unpacking, and the setting up of the exhibits? Mr. Watrous stated that setting up a mini museum is very unsatisfactory, the packing up, moving, unpacking and setting up process would be very costly and very time consuming. Councilwoman Reeves inquired to the location ..for the Art Center if the museum were to be moved to the present library? City Manager, Robert Brunton, suggested the order of questions should be: 1) Should the library be built on the optimum site for optimum use over the next 50 years - the optimum site being the location of the present Pioneer Museum? 2) Will the Pioneer Museum eventually be located in the current library? After answering these questions, then the Administration can work with the Museum Board to get better detailed cost figures as to how all the goals and objectives can best be met; a) getting into a new building as soon as possible, and b) displaying or not displaying, and if dis- ' playing, do it as econimical as possible. 0 62' b y-, Mayor Russell took a consensus of the Council of whether to move the Pioneer Museum to temporary quarters. The consensus conclusion showed that three of the Council members were in favor of finding temporary quarters for the F} and four of the Council members were in favor of shifting the library site. Corrected on May 6, 1975 council meeting to MUSEUM. Mayor Russell stated the next step should be to discuss the shifting of the site. Councilman Suinn stated his reasoning for shifting the library site, retention of the current Pioneer Museum temporarily, until new library is completed is based on the following reasons: 1) Not moving the library site seems to be related to how the building on the lot might appear or how it will look. 2) If the library site is changed, the museum can keep from moving until the very last minute. 3) By not moving 00 at the present, the cost of leasing for the period designated. 4) Possibly .-; in two years, or whatever maybe,the museum building can be saved to be t-� moved rather than demolishing it. W Charles Hagemeister, Chairman of the Museum Board, advised the Council that the new wing of the museum could be closed up and removed, if need be, during the construction period. Councilman Bowling made a motion,that the present museum be retained in its current site until a new library is constructed, and the present Carnegie Library building be remodeled to house the Pioneer Museum, after moving the museum to the remodeled facilities, the present museum building would be demolished. No second to this motion. t Councilman Bowling made a new,:notion that the present museum be retained in its current site, until a new library is constructed. Councilman Suinn seconded the motion. Yeas: Council members Bloom, Bowling, Gray, Russell, Suinn and Wilkinson. Nays: Councilwoman Reeves. Councilwoman Reeves stated she was unsure of whether the new library is being located in the best possible location. Mr. Al Zeigel stated that there is no question that the place for the library is the present location of the Pioneer Museum. The most economical move for the Council at this point, to begin construction of the new library building and to work around the museum building, rather than to lease other quarters for either minimum display or storage. Councilman Bowling made a motion that the present Carnegie Library building be remodeled to house the Pioneer Museum. Motion seconded by Councilman Wilkinson. This motion later withdrawn. Councilwoman Reeves expressed concern about the destruction of the museum building, if it were in good shape. and the possibility of keeping all of the out buildings, together with the museum and moving the entire group to a different location. CouncilmanBloom questioned the need to make this kind of decision now. C� Councilman Suinn supported Councilman Bloom. 269 City Manager Brunton advised Council that this decision and others like this would make future decisions easier and variables must be cut down. Councilwoman Gray stated that there was need for additional information before this issue could be decided. City Attorney March advised Council that legally they are required to make a decision as to what to do with the museum building, whether it be to demolish it, or otherwise. Councilman Bowling made a motion, seconded by Councilman Bloom, that after the museum is moved, the present or current Pioneer Museum building be removed. Yeas: Council members Bloom, Eowling, Gray, Reeves,, Russell, Suinn and Wilkinson. Nays: None. Sarah Bennett of the Library Board asked for a point of clarification; will the costs disposing of the building be charged to the museum or the library; Mr. Brunton, City Manager, stated these items will be studied more closely in the next few weeks, and the cost of demolition of the museum are extra costs against the museum. Councilman Bowling made a motion, amending the previous motion relating to the current museum building. The motion is that after the library construction is completed the museum operation shall be removed from its present quarters, and the museum building removed from the site. Motion seconded by Councilman Wilkinson. Yeas: Council members Bloom, Bowling, Gray, Reeves, Russell, Shinn and Wilkinson. Nays: None. Mayor Russell inquired of Mr. Zeigel if the Council had now given him additional information required to proceed. Mr. Zeigel replied "yes" and it would be brought back on April 29, 1975. Adjournment Councilman Bowling made a motion, seconded by Councilman Wilkinson, to adjourn the meeting to Tuesday, April 22, 1975 at 7:30 P.M. at the Poudre R-1 Administration building, to discuss the Sheraton Inn project. Yeas: Council members Bloom, Bowling, Gray, Reeves, Russell, Suinn and Wilkinson. Nays: None. , ATTEST: oC 4 e,l", g: o u.o-+ Deputy City Cler fla ayor r I 270