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Minutes
City of Fort Collins
Futures Committee Meeting
Regular Meeting
CIC Room, City Hall
300 LaPorte Ave
December 22, 2014
2:00–4:00pm
Committee Members Present: Committee Members Absent:
Wade Troxell, Chair Gerry Horak
Bruce Hendee
Gino Campana
Darin Atteberry
City Staff:
Dianne Tjalkens, Admin/Board Support
Cameron Gloss, Planning Manager
Jeff Mihelich, Deputy City Manager
Karen Cumbo, Director of PDT
Sam Houghteling, Graduate Management Assistant
Travis Machalek, Graduate Management Assistant
Invited Guests:
Community Members:
Kevin Jones, Fort Collins Area Chamber of Commerce
Wade Troxell called meeting to order at 2:10pm
Chairman Comments: Bruce and Cameron put together a presentation on land use planning
that builds on previous conversations.
Approval of October Minutes:
Gino moved to approve both the October 13 and November 24 minutes as presented. Wade
seconded. Motion passed unanimously, 3-0-0.
Think Tank Item 21: Land Use Planning & Build Out Revisited—Cameron Gloss and
Bruce Hendee
Bruce noted upcoming work sessions on Climate Action Plan and City
Plan. There are tough decisions coming up around GMA, transportation, urban infrastructure and
asset management. This group previously discussed how, if we hold growth within the GMA and
don’t have a strategy that fuels growth outside, this may lead to the need for more transportation
linkages. The decisions we make with regard to land use are the biggest we make that impact our
carbon footprint. The larger context is the community’s future.
Cameron presented a PowerPoint on how Fort Collins fits in the regional context and about
decisions we must make regarding future trends. City Plan at its core has sustainability. We place
scrutiny on land development. Carbon is the measuring stick we use for sustainability. He
showed a map of the U.S.’s carbon footprints. The major cities are having the greatest impact on
carbon production. The real story, however, is impact per capita. There are communities that are
growing. The larger cities have lower carbon per capita than more rural areas. Utilities, CAP, FC
Moves, etc., reduce the impact of housing, transportation, efficiency of appliances, etc., but
ultimately it gets down to density patterns. We have growth on the Front Range and are projected
to have more. We must decide if we grow in a sprawling low density pattern, or a denser pattern
that reduces VMT and carbon emissions. Silver Tsunami, those 65 and up, are the largest growth
cohort. These people drive less and require services to be closer to them. Also, the 18–24 age
group is driving less, which is documented regionally. The number of jobs is increasing, and will
be primarily within the I-25 sub-region. Fort Collins will have diminishing job growth relative to
the region, as a result of land availability. Geographically, the I-25 corridor has job growth
around Johnstown and Loveland, between Centerra and Greeley, the Foothills campus has
capacity, and east of Greeley to Evans and northern Denver have projected growth. We will see
more employment growth along I-25 and 85, Harmony and Mountain Vista. Regarding trends in
travel patterns for commuting to work, Fort Collins has a balance that allows people to live and
work in the community, whereas in Loveland and Greeley more people commute out of the
community to work. Fort Collins has done a good job thus far in balancing housing and jobs. A
concern is that if we continue with job growth and the cost of housing goes up, then people will
be forced to go outside the community for housing. If we are not expanding geographically
outward, do we plan to go higher, and how high is high?
Bruce added that he does not know many who live in high density units in Fort Collins. But that
is where we may be heading. We should analyze whether this is what we really want.
Cameron presented a map on residential growth. Ault, Eaton, Timnath, south Greeley,
Johnstown, Milliken, far west Loveland, Laporte, Bellvue, and Wellington and many areas in the
east have significant projected growth based on the policies we have today. Based on the
Housing Affordability Policy Study, the components that contribute to cost of housing include
land (which has been increasing), fees that have remained consistent over time, and hard costs.
The big change over time has been in hard costs: labor and materials. Profits have been
squeezed. Land cost, fees, and taxes are the places the City has the most control.
Based on percentage of growth, we can look at the pace of change and when the growth can
occur. The available land for infill and redevelopment is in Mountain Vista and Mulberry. Our
conversations about growth must happen in regard to those two areas.
Fort Collins has partners such as the school district. PSD has purchased land in the Mountain
Vista area, which may become a high school that can serve the south Wellington area. PSD is
working on a master plan now. Parks has also looked into purchasing a large tract of land in
Mountain Vista. There have also been significant public improvements that are far along in
acquisition and design in the area.
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Midtown Master Plan and Downtown Master Plan will have major public
outreach. Building height will be a large part of the conversation. The regulations have not been
fine-tuned yet. There are projects waiting in the wings and we need a conclusion with
community buy-in and that we stick with. The Downtown Plan will include a 3D model so
citizens can understand building height from a pedestrian perspective. When we talk about
height, we can determine how it will impact fees, streets, etc.
City Plan speaks to mixed use, mixed density neighborhoods. Complete neighborhoods have a
variety of density with retail in close proximity. In recent months we have had conversations
where people don’t know the plan exists. We have not told the story of the great policy we
already have in place.
Comments/Q & A:
• If you plan ahead knowing growth is coming, you can reduce overall emissions as well as
per capita.
• If you have more manufacturing, that requires more floor space than knowledge workers.
• We are having a little spike now, so we have more people who have jobs than can find
housing.
• Compared to other college towns, we are unusual in that faculty want to live in the
community. In other university towns, they don’t.
• Median home prices in Boulder are $600,000–$800,000. Bottom line is that they fixed
their GMA many years before we did. We have very similar communities and have a
crystal ball here for what can happen here. Do we really want that kind of median home
price in Fort Collins?
• The in-migration of vehicles has become a huge problem for Boulder that they are not yet
able to figure out how to fix.
• At a macro scale you could schematically depict patterns. You can build everywhere,
have core cities, have malleable urban growth boundaries, or any number of other
options.
• Boulder has a boundary of the city, then an area that gets services, an area that cannot be
developed, and areas that cannot be annexed. It is based on services and the supply of
land is very tight.
• It is also encircled by purchased open space.
• They had limited the number of building permits that can be issued on a quarterly basis.
That system was used for several years and had impact on predictability.
• Those limitations drove the creation of Superior.
• Did they get challenged on a moratorium on building permits?
• No. It was done away with when there was a downturn, but the damage was already
done. The growth had been exported and the trends set.
• Fort Collins fixing its GMA has given other communities the drive to grow.
• The migration westward was predicted and it happening now. By the Supreme Court
ruling, we cannot stop growth.
• We are moving toward both transit and Nature in the City. We can give a high quality of
life through nature.
• Another instructive lesson from Boulder is that the large growth in Superior came from
Boulder; the families wanted a house with a yard as Boulder became denser. We need to
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keep this in mind. There is a population that will still want a single
family home with a yard.
• As we try to determine where we are, as we have done with the Bicycle Master Plan, we
could look at our city and decide we need housing with yards and some higher density
areas and adjust our transportation and density areas accordingly.
• Growth is projected in transit corridors, but maybe there is more adjustment that needs to
be made.
• Singapore is fixed as an island, and has been very intentional in terms of economic
growth and in terms of nature with high density.
• Successful cities have great parks as well.
• Vancouver is a great example of livability with density.
• The notion of de-annexing, I don’t understand.
• Regional growth is all interrelated. The growth will go somewhere.
• If you de-annex, you can grow in the core of the city and have the same population
growth.
• Gentrification is also occurring. Choices we make could slow or speed up that process.
• In terms of management, if the land is in someone else’s GMA, they control the land uses
and their values may be very different from ours.
• If we de-annex, it can be within the Wellington or Timnath GMA and they will control
the land use and Fort Collins will have the impacts.
• Capital Parkland Fee should be kept in place to identify places along the corridors where
density will be increased.
• Parks planning is working on a master plan right now using the build out data. They are
keeping in mind the needs for community parks, regional parks, etc. and are looking for
where to acquire parcels. They may need to look in Midtown.
• Max is only one of urban transit corridors. We should look at parks, transit, etc., in a
more comprehensive way.
• We have never really had the discussion about height.
• If you look at DMA Plaza and Howes Street housing, no one ever complains about them.
It is good urban planning to have those. Once you get passed the flack, and you get them
built, it doesn’t feel so bad.
• A lot of it is about compatibility and buffering. Regarding the Grove, one concern was
around scale. It was built and isn’t so bad, and is not horribly out of place. It is a
perception problem.
• When you plan correctly, your supply and demand is balanced.
• We know that 65 year and older empty nesters are not necessarily looking for larger lots.
We need to adjust to the demographics as well.
• That is only a 15 year trend which will cycle through and change, though.
• We may not need a major shift in thinking on City Plan, but a broader discussion. Growth
or no growth is not our choice. We want to drive our own future, rather than having it
imposed on us.
• We can have a lower flatter city, taller denser city, or a hybrid. We are heading for a
hybrid as we have a downtown core. But the overlay is the city moving toward being an
environmentally sustainable community that is reducing carbon.
• Having some flexibility is important too. Our code is rather prescriptive now.
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• This is the only community I’ve worked in that doesn’t have a
planning development process. This is negotiated land use planning with flex zones
within. Everything is master planned, with various zoning within. The plan runs with the
land at all times. A new builder cannot completely change this. Based on the particulars
of the development the plans can be flexed.
• Here, if you are a developer and look at City Plan, that is what you get. The land
development guidance system (LDGS) had ultimate flexibility, but neighbors were
uncertain what they would get. Developers found the same unpredictability, which led to
the code we have today.
• Tools like addition of permitted use allow flexibility. These modifications can make it
better.
• That’s why we need broader discussions, so the public understands additional permitted
uses (APUs).
• Instead of going back to LDGS, find additional tools to use like APUs. Part of the issue is
not knowing what we want to be when we grow up. Just knowing the population at full
build out is huge. We like the livability we have now. We want to be able to access
nature. We are now working on Nature in the City. The more we work on that vision, the
better we can adjust.
• If you develop all of College, you no longer have mountain views. We can choose to
protect views there.
• The code has not kept up with the infill and redevelopment part of the plan.
• PDOD (Planned Development Overlay District) was a good tool, but no one took
advantage of it. It was too complex and expensive.
• How can we enable great, large scale projects? Sometimes we kill good projects by over
planning.
• The studies we are doing help. We can have context for the projects. We can determine
what we want and how to get there.
• If we could develop some multiple modelling scenarios and bring them back, the
committee can look at various options.
• The planning development process can have flexibility for extraordinary projects that can
help you get where you want to be, but we must be careful with how it is used.
• We talked about tying preferential concepts to our economic development.
• This vision also takes away debates around job creation, such as helping businesses
develop particular areas. If our vision around that area was clearer, the discussion of
corporate welfare would be mute.
• I hear enough in the community that there are people who do not want growth at all. We
need Council to have the discussion about how to manage growth.
• There are people who say that, but what they are really saying is, “I don’t want change. I
don’t want traffic,” etc. They don’t want the negative aspects of no growth. We can
design to the look and feel we want.
• We can’t determine we don’t want the growth. It will still come to the region and we deal
with the impacts. And then we cannot control the carbon emissions.
• We should have a study of Old Town to determine at what point are we at capacity for
visitors, and at what point do we look for another town center south or north?
• In the stadium discussion, there is no talk of how it impacts our community.
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• Can we map out and invest with developers to create what we
want?
• The mall has some public spaces and it was the developer’s intention to create an
enlivened place.
• It will become an activity center but is not big enough for a town center.
• What will Council think if there is another place in the city with more 10 story buildings?
• South of Harmony can become a high tech area.
• We have a tech corridor, but we haven’t supported them with the urban amenities.
• In Denver, Highland Park is connected with transit. We have struggled with creating
those types of neighborhoods with shopping.
• On our high tech corridor, you cannot get connected to anything else without a vehicle. If
you created a low-stress corridor for transit, you can take a lot of cars off the road. It has
to be high enough speed to get back to work from a lunch break.
• In Mountain Vista, if we did a lot of good land use planning, we can create the town
center there, but you can’t do it without transit. People don’t want to get in their cars to
go to lunch.
• At Intel, if you have to cross the street, you are going to get into your car to do it. The
area is not pedestrian friendly.
• We are trying to retrofit a more urban pedestrian-friendly vision onto the Harmony
corridor.
• If we don’t do the thinking about Mountain Vista now, every corner will get a gas station
and convenience store, rather than what we want.
• The new Vine would connect to the Mountain Vista neighborhood center, and connect all
the way to I-25 with transit. You have high density residential along with a park, school,
etc. Perhaps it should be intensified?
• We need to have an active street naming program. We have not captured the potential of
names that would be representative of the community.
• We have a list.
• It has been happenstance. The historical community we have, to pump history and get
vetted and framed up.
• You could task the Landmark Preservation Committee with street naming.
• It is important to have some bold strokes in the plan that define the city as a great place.
The opportunity in the Mountain Vista area for boulevards is dramatic.
• We have to be intentional and have a plan.
• The City Hall campus vision, with connection to the CSU administration building, is
something that speaks to alignment of the city architecture. It looks beyond the building
to how spaces work together.
• Can we take our activity and urban centers and connect them with these grand
boulevards. If you talk about Lincoln it is heading in that direction.
• That area has been underserved historically.
• Where is our Ferris wheel or Eiffel Tower?
• It’s the trail of breweries. How do we get connectivity through our breweries like Napa?
Lincoln could be part of that.
DO 21: Next Steps
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• There will be another presentation to this group in March on
Mountain Vista alternative development options, including reducing development.
• APU is going to work session in January.
• Would it be better to have bigger conversation about Mountain Vista first?
• There has been a push nationally for vacation rental by owner and there are neighbor
concerns about Air B&B. These will be packaged with APU in January. Should we
separate these issues?
• We need to address APU and Air B&B, but is the fourth agenda item for that night.
• We could move the APU conversation to a later date.
• It would be good to discuss these larger issues with Council before having the
conversations about APU and Air B&B.
• We could create a broader discussion with the community and Council about our future.
• That is the forerunner to City Plan.
• The baseline should be an update to City Plan. We’ll let Karen’s group work on how to
have these community conversations leading up to City Plan.
• Some members of Council have not had the opportunity to discuss the greater vision.
• University Connections has a series of speakers who will touch on the same topics. There
is a specific section on attainable housing. They are bringing in top experts from around
the country to talk about community growth.
• Could that group come to Futures to give a pitch?
• Creative Innovations and Economic Health, and Jeni Cross presented urban lab concepts
and are talking about community. Maybe we can roll some of those things into the greater
conversation about urban planning.
• We should be developing scenarios that allow you to take a look at potential.
• We are beyond whether or not we want to achieve carbon goals, now we are talking
about how. If we can get beyond population, we can have good conversations about
housing affordability. We can stay our course and create balance within the scheme of
our plan.
• January 13 Incubation Strategy may not need its work session, so this topic could take its
place and ask Council if staff should have more community conversations about the
overall vision.
• We can engage conversations on Net Zero, beautiful cities, livable cities, etc.
• If we are really going to have 90% electric vehicles in 20 years, what does that mean for
our streets planning?
• If we work with CSU and other organizations, we can get speakers to help frame the
broader conversation.
• We need to determine when Boulder fixed their Urban Growth Boundary.
• How do we do a PD or PED process or modify existing code?
• Can Futures Committee help prepare Council for an updated City Plan? We ca prepare a
list of attributes of the city and have speakers on each topic.
• Wade and Bruce will create a list of topics for future meetings and bring it back to the
committee for review.
Future Meeting Topics Discussion
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• January 12—UniverCity Connections
• February 9—Community Dashboard
• March—Mountain Vista Planning
Meeting adjourned at 3:50pm.
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