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Minutes
City of Fort Collins
Futures Committee Meeting
Regular Meeting
300 LaPorte Ave
City Hall
April 14, 2014
4:00–6:00pm
Committee Members Present: Committee Members Absent:
Wade Troxell, Chair
Gerry Horak
Bruce Hendee
Darin Atteberry
Gino Campana
City Staff:
Dianne Tjalkens, Admin/Board Support
Lucinda Smith, Environmental Services Director
Katy Bigner, Environmental Planner
Wanda Nelson, City Clerk
Kelly DiMartino, Assistant City Manager
Jeff Mihelich, Deputy City Manager
Ana Arias, Public Relations Coordinator
Christine Macrina, Publicity/Marketing Tech
Karen Weitkunat, Mayor
Invited Guests:
Community Members:
Kevin Jones, Fort Collins Area Chamber of Commerce
Wade Troxell called meeting to order: 4:08pm
Approval of January and February Minutes:
Gerry moved to approve January 27 and February 10 minutes. Wade seconded.
Motion passed unanimously, 4-0-0. (Gino arrived after vote)
Chairman Comments: Wade introduced the concepts of the Think Tank items, the 30-50 year
outlook, and the composition of the committee. He explained that the citizen engagement topic is
to more robustly think about what citizen engagement means. Wade and
Bruce will share upcoming items at the next committee meeting. Wade added that this will allow
the committee to have ongoing topics that work together.
• These topics will inform planning projects of the future. What are the long term
investments and how do we manage them?
• The committee should be catalyst to find a way to utilize the canal and ditch system to
have more irrigation through non-treated water.
• Population estimates say Fort Collins is expected to have close to 240,000 people in 25
years. Can the committee look at what Fort Collins will look like as a city of a quarter
million?
• How can we help facilitate changing how people use transit?
• There is potential for bringing in some other future thinking people outside of staff to
stimulate thought.
• There could be a forum sponsored by Futures Committee.
• Regarding electricity and power, and the distributed generation, how can the community
become more self-sufficient?
• We talked about infrastructure replenishment. That captures how we begin to think about
our infrastructure needs and thinking of things organically.
Think Tank Item 13: Citizen Engagement—Expertise and Input Structures, Update:
Wanda Nelson
Wanda’s team met with Futures in January and had a meeting with Board and Commission
members in February. She said the team took the comments and boiled them down to a list of
categories. One suggestion heard was to reduce the number of boards and commission and tie
them to the key outcome areas. This will meet effectiveness, communication, and alignment with
key outcomes that boards suggested. The intermediate step is to meet with chairs and train them
on the Budgeting for Outcomes (BFO) process. Council will identify the key initiatives for
Boards and Commissions to incorporate into work plans. The next step is to meet with chairs and
vice chairs about implementation. The plan will come back to Council in July. Wanda asked if
the team should work with board and commission members to integrate key outcomes into work
plans or go ahead with reducing the number of boards and grouping by outcome areas.
Comments/Q & A:
• Council should do a better job of specifying what boards should be looking at and having
in their work plans. We have been passive.
• The Council Retreat sets our agenda, but does not inform boards and commissions. We
could be more intentional.
• It is clear we haven’t trained chairs how to be chairs and run meetings. There could be an
orientation specifically for chairs. I like the idea of working with chairs to align plans and
budget process. The chair needs to start asking what the board should be helping Council
with. Most of the work plans are the same as the previous year.
• The work plan part is easy. More difficult is the immediate need. When something new
comes up, it should be communicated to the board how urgent an issue is. The ad hoc
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committees I have sat on worked very well. Board members have
said they wanted to feel like they were contributing, not just meeting to meet.
• We need to empower the Council liaisons to do that part. Instead of it going through staff
if it is a Council thing, the liaison has to meet with the chair, especially if there is an issue
Council needs help with. The problem of communication may be with us.
• The super board idea is happening without us.
• We have got to pull our essential boards that are required from this discussion. For
example, we have to have a Planning and Zoning board. How we differential and
organize them is different from the conversation we are having now. These topics should
be presented differently to these boards. The second piece is we have so many boards. As
we talk about communication, it all goes back to their function, what they are doing, and
what we want them to do. We are less communicative with some boards than others.
Some are asking for empowerment. The issues of not communicating, not listening, not
giving work, creating work, as well as the issue of who serves on them and criteria, based
on what the board is and what it does, all need to be addressed. The Energy Board put
together an ad hoc committee on greenhouse gasses. They were creating more work and
didn’t go through a process with Council. If the boards are not feeling engaged, we have
a problem that needs to be fixed.
• We pull out the required, essential boards, then the rest we have outcome areas and
people who are specialized or have a high interest, and you have a pool of people to use
around a certain issue. For example: you have a neighborhood livability ad hoc board,
you ask those who are interested and informed and have a finite amount of time to work
on the issue. The people I spoke with thought this was a good idea.
• You have these essential/statutory boards. What are they? Water Board, Planning and
Zoning, Building Review, etc. There is something in their charter that expresses the
essential nature. Then there is the other set; they have a stated mission. We can call them
ad hoc for now and perhaps move them toward that direction.
• There is so much overlap between boards; a lot of people want to have a say. We could
pull from other areas and request input.
• The Human Relations Commissions has on their work plan that they want to work on
mental health, but there is nothing on Council’s agenda regarding mental health. They
have created work. A board of ours has worked for a year on an issue that Council will
not take action on. How does that align with Council? Is that an effective use of our
board?
• If you have the Transportation Board looking at the southeast community center, they are
in a vacuum just looking at transportation issues. If you bring together many groups you
get a broader view. We take their independent comments right now instead of having
them work together.
• Do you want the Futures Committee to look at structural issues and come with specific
recommendations about the number of boards and commissions, or go with the second
option that has a slower transition? The first option may be too bold. If we are the culprit
in lack of clarity, training, and communication, maybe you go with option two that is
more transitional.
• We haven’t done a good job of saying what we want, so making a major change without
getting people on boards understanding the BFO process and having Council members
dig in and work with their boards is not a good idea. We don’t have good data to make
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major changes right now. We don’t have credibility with boards
because of these things. We need to spend a year on this. It’s a model that is going to
change over time and is not going to be swift. Using the outcome areas, we should look at
each board and evaluate: Is this board really important to the outcome area? Are they
value added? We need to look really hard at that. Council members have to be willing to
dive in and do the work.
• I like the first option. The system we are using is broken and needs to be changed. We
could have a few more meeting, but they will drive the dialogue to the reduction. We
need to make sure there is buy in, but we shouldn’t have to keep using the system we
have.
• Over the last 30 years the boards and staff have developed a close relationship, but the
Council and boards have not. It’s not the boards’ problem, but Council’s problem.
• The way these are worded drive toward an answer. Perhaps we say, next year our boards
and commissions align to the outcome areas. We can start changing the dialogue and
changing the conversation. This could be a two to three year process. There would be
natural consolidations in the process.
• If we start to use more super issue meetings or ad hoc committees, it will spotlight how
we use them. Right now we get competing recommendations. If all get the full picture it
becomes more meaningful citizen input from a variety of sources.
• When the Greenhouse Gas (GHG) goal people were trying to get boards together, it was a
good idea, but there was no coordination with Council.
• How hard would it be to try it out with a few issues? Let’s try it out and see how it works.
• The GHG is a perfect example.
• You could ask for volunteer representatives from a number of boards to discuss particular
issues.
• We could have a blend of both. We get our act together, get our communication in line,
be clear about the end game and what the steps are, and start moving in that direction.
• Another example is the Golf Board. Is it really working with policy issues? Does it help
us move the meter forward? The liaison needs to be working with the chair and board to
make sure they are.
• The second alternative has an intermediate approach, but doesn’t say where we are
heading. I like the idea of telling people what is coming.
• The Golf Board, as an example, takes a significant amount of resources, and used to
make policy decisions. But if you are looking at driving outcomes, then what?
• Maybe the Golf Board could be just a group.
• In Denver there is an ad hoc marijuana committee. There could be a fracking ad hoc
committee as well.
• We did have that for oil and gas. It pulled members from other boards.
• Another dimension is to keep exploring other mechanisms for garnering citizen input, so
we are expanding the pipeline, not closing it down.
• We would get more people signing up if they could choose the projects they could work
on and cannot commit to four years on a board.
• I am supportive of the blending, but is there a possibility to begin working on engaging
the boards this year?
• We want to do enough to have a recommendation for next spring.
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• There is a reality that the magnitude of education and awareness.
People aren’t aware of the community dashboard, and other ways of engaging.
• Some boards will not want to be engaged. They will opt out.
• The Council liaisons should meet with chairs on current work plan to see what fits in with
Council’s agenda and BFO. That is the kind of feedback the boards should be giving.
• It’s important to let people know where we are heading. Let’s equip them and align.
• Part of Plan, Do, Check, Act is continuously looking at structure. If you see one board is
not giving input, they dissolve.
• Our biggest user of the general fund doesn’t have a board working with it: Police
Services. We don’t have anything that deals with safe communities.
• We could say, “We don’t have boards; we have ‘Safe Communities,’ and who wants to
participate?”
• One suggestion to move forward is to peel out the boards we have to have. The boards
that aren’t engaged now can have the option to fold into another board. Then start on the
education with a goal toward alignment with the outcome areas. You won’t have
pushback if people are involved.
• Let’s draft this up and send it around between meetings, and move toward a Work
Session.
• Perhaps someone could pilot working with a chair on the work plan and the chair could
be part of the work session.
DO 13: Next Steps
• Draft concept and circulate to board.
• Pilot working with Chair on Work Plan to align with seven Key Outcome Areas.
Think Tank Item 14: Climate Adaptation: Lucinda Smith and Katy Bigner
Lucinda and Katy gave a presentation on Adapting to Changing Climate (see handout). Their
activities have occurred primarily in Utilities, but have moved out into the community with
planning workshops. The workshops were to identify risks to the City and raise awareness within
the organization on implications of climate change. Mitigation is putting the brakes on climate
change. The more we mitigate emissions now, the better we can avoid impacts of climate change
in the future. Adaptation takes the considerations of future climate change and provides planning
for averting things we can control and a cushion against impacts. Impacts are based on hazards,
vulnerability and exposure. The risks are where these overlap. The science is pointing to a 2° F
change with significant mitigation and 4° F with highest emissions. Katy showed projection
models for precipitation for the Front Range, with drier summers and potentially big decreases in
precipitation. There is a projected shift in the hydrograph, so the flows we experience in June
(where we get our water supply) will move earlier and have implications to water rights. The
general consensus is that you will get an increase in snow melt earlier in the year. Lucinda added
that the air temperature predictions are less variable and model scenarios have differences, which
make planning more difficult. But we need to look at all these scenarios. Katy added that the
Front Range is the most difficult area to predict precipitation. Katy showed a slide of potential
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impacts including declining water availability, higher incident of wild
fires, increase of infectious diseases, decreased water quality, and forest stress.
Comments/Q & A:
• Showing the data and understanding it are different things. You could add a simple
statement explaining the scenarios. It is meaningless to the average person without some
more information.
• The take away is that it is hard to predict, so you have to plan for a variety of scenarios.
• The data needs to be constantly revisited.
• Put adaptation and mitigation into terms of resiliency and sustainability. How would we
project for those?
• What does declining water availability mean?
• A couple of examples are if we have a dramatic change in waterfall that will affect the
forest as it is adapted to a particular pattern of water availability. More preparation for
flood and storage will be necessary. Planning for wider variations will be necessary. In
September 2012 we had a great example of how variability can affect us.
• If you get less precipitation in snow, you get less snow pack; you can’t collect the water
that goes into Horsetooth or Halligan. The quality is affected by heat and ash.
• It’s important to partner with international organizations. You build more robustness into
your infrastructure and change policy around water catchment and reclaiming and reusing
water. So there is a lot more dynamism that should be going on. Forest management
practices could help to make forests less stressed and reduce effects of infestations, etc.
• If you look at the extreme heat study, it shows that we have been on an increasing trend
line since the 1960s. There are much greater swings in variation of weather that must be
planned for.
• Looking at the 1930s to 1950s, some of the hottest years were then. We have more
surfaces covered now.
• The report corrected for urban heat islands. They revised the appendix for a longer period
of time and the trends are still there.
• On slide 3, I don’t understand the message. Slide 4, it would be nice to have earlier data
as well. I am curious about the baseline. Why doesn’t the data start at zero? This shows a
2° F and 4° F variance, but the rest talk about 6° F. Is that Fort Collins?
• Yes.
• The hydrograph is confusing as well. Show it bigger to see the differences.
• Slide 7’s message is challenging as well.
• Are we talking about adapting to climate change or climate hazards? For example, the
growing season will increase. Climate change is neither good nor bad, but different. Can
we show the good things as well? This is showing cooler as better and warmer as worse.
• In some venues it will be important to show the full range of impacts.
• The increase in severe storms is based on what?
• The task force is using all severe weather events.
• The predictions in general call for increased severity and frequency of severe weather.
• The hotter it gets, the more water you can hold in the atmosphere, so the more robust the
storms can become.
• One thing that bears this out is the number of insurance claims that have been made.
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• But you must adjust that for inflation and the changes in where
people live. Galveston has been devastated four times in the last 100 years, regardless of
what people have built there.
• The Big Thompson in 1976, Spring Creek in 1997, and the floods of 2013 as five
hundred year flooding events and rainfalls; these are big flood events that have happened
in the last 35 years.
• CSU has flooded four times in the last 100 years.
• Those are weather events, not climate events. Our data is limited on how far we can go
back for weather. Temperature records go back longer.
• When you think about the City, robustness is a good thing. We aren’t going to design for
just one thing, but for variability. But, it is at a cost. We have to manage more variables
for the desired outcome.
• The challenge with the audience is that not everyone is aligned. If you show one extreme
or another, you will spend more time defending your position than getting your point
across.
• The messaging as it is relevant to Fort Collins and the strategies we are trying to work
with. Strong messaging will tell our story.
• Some of the graphs were prepared by the Geos Institute. The report is more detailed and
gives some analysis, but is still just the presentation of data without analysis. We didn’t
come with messaging but with information.
Katy continued to slide 8, showing a summary of the science for the area including up to 6%
warmer summers with declines in soil moisture, increase in wildfire, impacts on irrigation,
etc.
• Slide 9 is critical in working with the City. How do we plan resources for these more
extreme events? We know they will happen again.
• We are going to have these events anyway, but climate change will impact the
severity of them. The increased warming and drier conditions will increase the
likelihood of these events.
Katy showed slide 10 with increases in temperature and heat waves. If we continue to
mitigate greenhouse gas emissions we will forgo some of the greater impacts.
• How do we determine monetizing versus cycling?
• There could be events that increase cooling, such as a large volcano eruption.
• These models don’t reflect the correction factor of the system. The models are
relatively simple as compared to the complexity of the overall system.
• Part of that is a function of the period of record we are looking at, which is about 124
years. We are not looking at long term cycles here.
Katy showed slide 11 which includes impacts on human health, air quality, increased pest
and disease outbreaks, invasive species, and increased forest stress. She showed outcomes of
two workshops. More fixed systems have low capacity to change. Identified risks include
loss of urban forest canopy, wildfires and ozone exacerbating poor air quality, low income
housing increased rates, impact on conservation of species, habitats, etc. Other risks with
high sensitivity with higher capacity to change are water related issues, human health
(elderly, homeless, outdoor workers, children, etc.), economic impacts with impacts on
tourism, resource-based businesses, population changes, and increased demand on energy use
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for climate control devices. Next steps include ongoing outreach to all
City departments, developing collaborative relationships between the County, PSD, Health
District, etc.; identifying adaptation strategies with co-benefits as part of the Climate Action
Plan; ongoing peer-learning with other intermountain communities; submitting a BFO offer
for planning and pilot projects, monitoring climate science for improved modeling and
projections; and folding adaptive considerations into the Asset Management Program.
• We’re looking at the heat side, but we need to look at the “not having cold” side. If
we compare to El Paso, what are they doing there in the winter? Biking and walking
could increase. Golfing could increase. No winter heating. In the summer you have a
choice, in the winter you have to heat. If we look at this fairly, we have to look at the
other side.
• Does increased severity include more cold dips?
• The science isn’t clear yet. The jet stream could loop down more, allowing more
arctic air, but this is a theory.
• Weather and climate change are different things. Weather has high variability. When
climate gets in to weather we have problems.
• I don’t know if I would try to strictly look at Fort Collins. We need to see what the
effect of overall climate change will be on Fort Collins, not what the climate change
will be in Fort Collins.
• In a semi-arid region, our ability to adapt is different. Semi-arid and arid regions have
a different way of changing based on climate change.
• Our change, if we are the only ones who do mitigation, is not going to have an effect.
What happens in the rest of the world affects us. If we can’t stop it, we have to be
ready.
• That is why Halligan makes more sense than Glade. When we had the flood it would
have filled.
• Others will argue that by doing Halligan we are causing climate change with more
CO2. We need to message that we are doing this for resiliency.
• The messaging should show what we can do about it.
• We can do mass transit and reduce our carbon, but if the rest of the world doesn’t,
how do we build resilience?
• Some key take aways are messaging, and consistency of messaging, Some of the data
could do more to confuse than orient.
• There is a data analysis to look at it a couple of different ways to improve our
resilience.
• Stay away from unsubstantiated extremes. Focus on clear cut science-based claims
that don’t cause you to divert the discussion to a debate.
• The likelihood of drought is high, but the likelihood of more severe storms is
questionable.
• You could take the human cause out and say, based on climate cycles, how can we be
resilient? For example, if you have a 10 year drought, how do you plan for it?
• The comment of trying to make it more Fort Collins-centered is important.
Discussions in my last position were related to heat and the water cycle and pressing
for more xeriscaping. It was conservative but climate change was accepted. We saw
the reservoirs dropping.
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DO 14: Next Steps
• Lucinda and Katy will revise the presentation based on member comments.
Additional Discussion:
None.
Meeting adjourned by Wade Troxell at 6:01pm.
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