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LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION
MEETING - MINUTES
August 5, 1987
The meeting began at approximately 5:30 p.m., at 200 West Mountain Avenue.
Members in attendance were Michael Ehler, Carol Tunner, Dick Beardmore,
Sally Ketcham, Andy Mutz and Bud Frick. Staff was represented by Kari
VanMeter, Edwina F.chevarria and Judy Reed.
MINUTES
July 2, 1987: One corection, on page 3, third entry- "Miss Trimble said it
will be unpainted". Minutes were then approved as corrected.
AGENDA REVIEW
Jon's Natural Bread: Reviewed by Andy Mutz and Bud Frick.
ISSUES/COMMENTS: None.
160 - 164 Whitten Court: Reviewed by Carol Tunner, Andy Mutz, and Bud
Frick.
ISSUES/COMMENTS: Ms. Tunner questioned if the style of numbering will be
recognizable by the Fire and/or Police Department. Mr. Frick suggested
more traditional style numbering might be preferable, and also place the
sign directly over the door. Ms. VanMeter stated that there are no Fire
Department guidelines for addressing designs. Mr. Frick cited the style of
Jon's Natural Bread as being a good example of legibility and consistency.
112 - 116 Trimble Court: Reviewed by Carol Tunner and Wayne Sundberg.
ISSUES/COMMENTS: Ms. Tunner wanted clarification of sign on the unpainted
brick - "Trimble Court Artisans" - will this sign be removed? Mr. Frick
asked if the color band on the East wall should be extended. Ms. Tunner
asked where the band starts. Ms. VanMeter stated it begins at the western-
most window. The band will not go to the corner. Ms. Tunner asked if the
application stated how the railing was to be treated.
Fort Collins Museum - 200 Mathews: Reviewed by Dick Beardmore and Michael
Ehler.
ISSUES/COMMENTS: Mr. Ehler mentioned the problems of the screens and the
reconstruction of the windows. Ms. Ketcham pointed out they are also using
latex paint. Mr. Beardmore noted that since this is a major landmark of
the City, the work should be performed correctly. Ms. VanMeter stated that
Mr. Ballard indicated his willingness to make repairs according to the
Commission's recommendations. Mr. Frick questioned what type of screening
material will be used. Ms. Tunner would like clarification'on the treat-
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ment of the sills. Mr. Ehler noted that Mr. Ballard indicated the doors
might need replacing in the near future. Mr. Ehler stated he would like it
noted that this would require the Commission's approval. Ms. Tunner voiced
her concern over the metal flashing next to the wood sills, which would
most likely cause moisture to be trapped, resulting in rotting of the wood.
Mr. Frick asked what type of support will be added to the gate posts, in
order to prevent sagging when the gates are opened and closed repeatedly.
242 Pine - Old Blaine Hotel: Reviewed by Sally Ketcham and Michael Ehler.
ISSUES/COPM?ENTS: Ms. Ketcham is very pleased at the prospect of improve-
ments to this area, however she is concerned about the slump block facade,
which has a wide crack, and the brick is very soft. Ms. Ketcham would like
ask to the applicant if the entire front section is to be removed, or just
a section. Ms. VanMeter added that she has provided the applicant with a
wide ranae of preservation briefs, and that he is aware of sandblasting and
chemical treatment. Ms. Tunner noted her concern over applicant following
through with work proposed. Mr. Frick stated that an addendum to be
included in recommendations could be in reference to any adverse or struc-
turally unsound conditions which would need to be remedied. Any hazard to
public health or safety would need to be corrected.
214 Pine Street: Reviewed by Wayne Sundberg and Dick Beardmore.
ISSUES/COMMENTS: Ms. Ketcham asked if additional information can be pre-
sented at the time requests for suggestions and reviews for future renova-
tion are made. Helpful information might be: Date of building, past uses,
neighboring structures, etc.
160 -164 WHITTON COURT
Ms. Karene Will appeared before the commission, representing 160-164 Whit-
ten Court. She stated that the Police and Fire Departments have requested
the address be in a prominent place on the back entrance to distinguish
from the other shops that also have back entrances in this block. The
applicant was asked if the Police and Fire Departments specified any type
of printing, she stated they did not. Mr. Frick asked if anything other
than the numbers would be on the sign. Ms. Will stated it will also
include the name "Whitton Court". Mr. Beardmore stated he would like to see
a more traditional sign and more consistency with the area. Mr. Frick
asked if the sign could be place above the door, instead of on the side of
the door and horizontal. The applicant stated that would be acceptable.
Ms. Tunner expressed her concern over the contemporary style, especially
the vertical arrangement, regarding readability. The applicant asked what
style the commission would recommend. Mr. Frick recommended the "Times New
Roman" Style, which is being used by Fort Collins Convention and Visitors
Bureau.
Mr. Frick moved that the lettering be of the "Times New Roman" style with
the shadow, and located above the wrought -iron entryway, in a horizontal
desiqn, with the top of the sign approximately in line with the northern-
most window of the wall, based on the sketch.
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Mr. Beardmore seconded the motion.
Colors submitted are acceptable.
Motion passed 6-0.
112-116 TRIMBLE COURT
Hazel Lenters was present, and brought along a sketch of proposed work. Ms.
Lenters stated the band of color will not run the length of the building,
since Trimble Court Artisans does not occupy the entire building. The band
will stop before the Chinese shop on the west end. Ms. Lenters noted a
correction on the length of the band stating it should be 73' not 61'.
Also, the size of the letters are: 10" for the "T" and "C", and the rest
of the lettering will be 8". Mr. Ehler asked if the signage would remain
that is currently on College Avenue. Ms. Lenters said yes. Mr. Ehler
asked for clarification on the sign band on the easterly wall: why does the
band stop at that window. Ms. Lenters stated that this area is a blank
area and dumpsters, which do not belong to Trimble Court Artisans, are sta-
tioned there. Ms. Tunner noted that stopping the band before the Chinese
shop might be a problem in the future if the Chinese shop would want to
also paint something on their wall. Mr. Frick felt that if the sign band
went to the end, it would give more continuity to the wall. Ms. Ketcham
noted that to extend the band would almost require more lettering. Mr.
Ehler asked about the size of the sign. Ms. Lenters noted that above the
windows to the roof line is about 101. Mr. Frick suggested that the band
continue to the end, with a break at the point of the Chinese shop. Ms.
Ketcham stated that the Trimble Court Artisans would rather not affiliate
their shop with the Chinese shop, and that by continuing that band of
color, it would seem to tie them together. Ms. Lenters again stated that
the dumpsters did not belong to her shop and she would prefer not to run
the band down that wall to avoid any connection with the dumpsters. Ms.
Ketcham clarified that the band might stop at the larger window. Mr.
Beardmore expressed the concern that the signs might be too small. Mr.
Ehler stated that a larger sign and band might be more appropriate, and
also to extend past the Chinese shop. Mr. Ehler asked if a new application
should be prepared, since so many changes are proposed. Ms. Tunner and Mr.
Beardmore stated they felt this application was sufficient.
Mr. Frick made a motion that the sign band which appears to be an architec-
tural as well as signage treatment be raised above the windows approxi-
mately 12", and the lettering in the sign band be 16", and the band should
stop on the east wall of Whitton Court at the end of the taller window, and
continue on the south wall to the corner where the building juts out fur-
ther towards the south with the break in the sign bands to differentiate
the Trimble Court Artisans and the Chinese shop, with colors approved as
submitted on the application.
Mr. Beardmore seconded the motion.
Ms. Tunner asked if the band is going all the way to the east end of the
south side, and if so, what about the doorway that is directly in the way.
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Mr. Frick amended the motion to include the sign band that would go over
the Chinese shop would stop at the doorway, with a 12" separation, lined up
with the end of the window.
Ms. VanMeter asked what the total depth of the sign band would be.
Mr. Frick stated 24".
Motion passed 6-0.
FORT COLLINS MUSEUM - 200 MATHEWS
Mr. Brian Moroney, director of the museum was present. He stated that he
was able to address only the fence proposal of the application. He stated
that on the South side of the museum there is an iron fence and they wish
to cut out part of the fencing and install a gate with a locking mechanism
and paint if flat black.
Mr. Ehler asked if there was adequate support from the standards that are
currently on either side of the fence.
Mr. Moroney answered yes, and that it would not be an advertised entrance
for public use.
Mr. Frick asked if a motion can be made on both items on the application,
even though the representative for the gate is the only present.
Ms. VanMeter stated that the items can be passed together, or the issues
can be separated.
Mr. Ehler asked if the Commission wished to separate the two items.
Ms. Tunner made the motion to separate the two issues and discuss them
individually.
Ms. Ketcham seconded the motion.
Motion passed 6-0.
Mr. Frick expressed concern over the strength of the uprights when the
gates are in the open position, if the weight of the gate will pull the
uprights down, and would also like to make a provision that if there be
additional support to the uprights on either side of the gate.
Ms. Ketcham made the motion to approve the gate alteration as outlined in
the application, with the provision that should there not be enough
strength, that support will be put under the gates when in a closed and
open position.
Mr. Beardmore seconded the motion.
Motion passed 6-0.
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Mr. Ehler brought up the window repair part of the application, noting that
there was no representative present. Concerns on this issue are the guide-
lines submitted, Preservation Brief #9, Repair of Historic Windows, should
be followed. Secondly, that the screens be retained or replaced as needed.
Also, concern over replacement of doors at the north elevation of the
museum.
Ms. Ketcham expressed the concern of whether the screens should be attached
with butterfly attachments, or hinged.
Mr. Ehler asked about the type of paint to be used.
Mr. Ehler also stated the Commission felt the application was not complete
in information and specifications, and that the application should be
resubmitted, addressing the Commission's concerns on reconstruction, work
to be performed, type of paint, and other items.
Mr. Beardmore made the motion to table the application.
Mr. Frick seconded the motion.
Motion passed 6-0.
Ms. Ketcham mentioned that epoxy fill should be mentioned to Mr. Ballard,
as a method of treatment for the windows.
Mr. Ehler asked if Ms. VanMeter had enough direction from the Commission to
express their concerns regarding the application.
Ms. VanMeter stated she would write a letter to the applicant explaining
that the Commission needed more detailed information on how he is going to
address the following concerns: What portion of Preservation Brief #9
applies and how they will implement it, how the screens are going to be
treated, the screening material, the fastening of the screens to the frame,
the specifications on the paint and preparation that will be applied to the
window frame, door repair on the north side of the building, and the epoxy
wood fill.
THE BLAINE HOTEL,
Marilyn Roberts was present before the Commission, representing ThunderPup
Properties. The applicant wished to remove the veneer slump block covering
the lower half of the building facade.
Mr. Ehler asked if the intent was to remove all of the slump block facade.
Ms. Roberts stated yes.
Mr. Ehler asked Ms. Roberts if she knew what the structural integrity of
the facade was and if they knew what might be causing the damage.
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Ms. Roberts stated that a structural engineer had been consulted, and the
area on the right-hand side (front) that is damaged, probably continues on
down to the lour part. The foundation also shows signs of deterioration.
Applicants plan to rework the foundation, in order to shore up any brick
work existing.
Ms. Ketcham asked if Ms. Roberts knew how the slump block was attached.
Ms. Roberts did not know, but stated that applicant, Chris Grebenc,
does know.
Ms. Ketcham asked if it was a stone foundation.
Ms. Roberts stated it was.
Ms. Tuner asked how the applicant knows the lower windows were arched.
Ms. Roberts said the opening could be seen.
Ms. Tuner asked if applicant is going to repair the foundation with stone.
Ms. Roberts stated the method to be used will be underpinning.
Mr. Frick expressed concern about the entire brick facade being detached
from the building. Will the facade be structurally supported until the
brick can be stabilized?
Ms. Ketcham noted that there is a problem of crumbling brick on the right
and to the back, near the large crack.
Mr. Ehler asked about the intent for the building.
Ms. Roberts stated that upstairs will be one large apartment and downstairs
will be either one or two retail offices. One of the occupants will be the
applicant, ThunderPup Construction.
Mr. Ehler asked how soon the applicant wishes to occupy premises.
Ms. Roberts stated they want to fix the foundation and get the electricity
up to code, then they plan to move in.
Ms. Ketcham made the motion that the application to remove the veneer block
covering on the lower half of the building facade be approved, and support
be adequate for the facade as it is removed, so that there will be no
hazard.
Mr. Frick seconded the motion.
Motion passed 6-0.
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NICOL BUILDING 214 PINE STREET
Les Sunde, applicant, was present before the Commission.
Mr. Ehler asked the applicant why he came before the Commission.
Mr. Sunde stated that he needs input from the Commission on this restora-
tion project.
Mr. Sunde asked if there would be any opposition to replacing the sidewalk
with flagstone.
Ms. Tunner asked if the City permitted flagstone.
Mr. Beardmore stated it was acceptable.
Mr. Sunde stated the front of the building has a crack. He consulted with
the chief engineer who stated it appeared repairable. Mr. Sunde also
stated he would like to install lights in the windows.
Mr. Sunde stated he has tried to research the building's history, but has
not had much success.
Ms. Tunner mentioned that Harold Asmus might know what was originally in
that building.
Mr. Beardmore stated the applicant might try to locate Sandborn Fire Maps,
which lists every building.
Ms. Tunner mentioned Mr. Sunde might contact Mr. Liston Lyendecker at CSU's
archives class.
Mr. Ehler asked Mr. Sunde if he had obtained any materials from the preser-
vation office.
Mr. Sunde stated no.
Ms. VanMeter stated the Commission might give very specific direction to
Mr. Sunde regarding what type of review for what steps will be needed and
if the flagstone walk can be approved now or if it needs formal review.
Mr. Beardmore stated the Commission would need documentation that is called
for in an application.
Mr. Sunde stated that time is important, and he will try to present the
application at the next meeting.
Ms. Ketcham clarified the applicant's request, if he goes to the trouble to
obtain flagstone, will the Commission object, or will the Commission simply
ask for information on mortar and other materials.
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Mr. Ehler stated it would be contingent on the application but the commis-
sion would probably approve.
Ms. Ketcham reiterated Mr. Beardmore's suggestion to contact the engineer,
just to make sure the City will accept flagstone.
Mr. Sunde stated he had contacted the engineer and their recommendation was
that he obtain the approval of this Commission, then go back to the City.
Mr. Sunde stated he would like to reinstall the original manhole cover,
with a light underneath.
Mr. Beardmore stated that type of treatment has been done in Old Town
already.
Mr. Frick asked if any photographs were available.
Ms. Ketcham stated that information would be helpful to have in the file.
Ms. Turner mentioned a company called Point 5, which is the distributor of
restoration glass.
Ms. Tunner also stated the applicant will need to come before the Commis-
sion when he is ready to consider the application of the signaqe.
JON'S NATURAL BREAD
Mr. Ehler noted there was no one present to represent this application. He
asked if Ms. VanMeter wished to add anything to the application.
Mr. Ehler asked if the numbers will look like the diagram.
Ms. VanMeter stated no. She suggested that the applicant should be advised
to obtain die cut vinyl numbers that are just like the CVB (Convention and
Visitor's Bureau).
Ms. VanMeter stated that Mr. Long is aware that he needs to go through the
review and is now working with this office. Ms. VanMeter would like the
Commission to consider passing the application in spite of the applicant's
absence.
Mr. Beardmore asked about availability of materials for sign and color.
Ms. VanMeter said they are available from Gardner Signs and the color is
burnished gold.
Ms. Tunner made the motion to approve the letters in burnished gold, vinyl
die cut, for Jon's Natural Bread transom window.
Ms. Ketcham seconded.
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Mr. Frick made a motion to amend the motion to include the statement that
the numbers match those on the Visitor's Center.
Motion passed 6-0.
OLD BUSINESS
All of the Commission members were in agreement that the draft document of.
the Strategic Plan was very unfavorable and questioned if this draft should
be considered for a starting point for the Strategic Plan.
Ms. VanMeter asked if the Commission read the recommendations portion and
how they view that part.
Mr. Frick answered that part was acceptable.
Mr. Beardmore questioned if this was a true strategic plan, or was it about
procedures and the approval system. He didn't feel it addressed the ques-
tion of the future of the Commission.
Mr. Frick pointed out it did address methods of funding, but it did not
address the future.
Mr. Ehler stated some of the observations on the operation of the Commis-
sion and how the meetings are conducted are valid. Many short term items
need to be addressed before the long term planning needs to be looked at.
The role of the chairperson also needs to be considered.
Ms. Ketcham stated the review should note accomplishments. She felt that
none of the positive elements of the Commission were mentioned.
Mr. Beardmore stated he was not pleased with the introduction by Mr. Peter-
son.
Ms. Ketcham stated the Chamber of Commerce should be supporting the Commis-
sion and other organizations should be sought for support.
Mr. Ehler asked if the Commission wanted to make a decision on whether this
strategic plan should be used or should it be rewritten.
Mr. Frick stated he was referring to the first 13 pages and would like to
take the observations and the recommendations, issue identifications, and
start discussing these items.
Mr. Beardmore and Ms. Ketcham expressed concern that -this negative attitude
exhibited in this draft should not be for public consumption.
Ms. VanMeter stated it is not for public consumption but is has been widely
read. Only the Chairman of the Cultural Resources Board has been given a
copy of the draft to review.
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Ms. Ketcham stated the idea of this draft should be the importance of the
preservation program, the benefits of the program. Much more emphasis is
needed on this aspect.
Ms. VanMeter stated the intent was to take into scope the whole program,
drawing in the Cultural Resources Board and how that interfaces with the
LPC Board.
Mr. Frick asked what the intent of the draft was.
Ms. Tunner stated Tom Peterson explained that if the LPC is to be in the
budget in the future or to be a part of the community, a plan is needed.
Ms. Echevarria stated one of the reasons is that in the past, City Council
had questioned the entire Historic Preservation program. Council, at that
time, was questioning the budget. Something is needed to justify this pro-
gram to Council.
Ms. Ketcham pointed out that the draft does not mention any analysis of
existing programs, which would show how far along they have come to date.
Ms. Tunner stated the report has no positives, only negatives.
Ms. Ketcham noted that City Council had established a Convention and Tour-
ism Bureau, and that Old Town was crucial to the Bureau.
Mr. Ehler asked the Commission if a strategic plan is needed.
The Commission stated yes.
Mr. Ehler asked about the time span needed.
Ms. Tunner suggested 7 years.
Mr. Beardmore noted the educational aspect of the ordinance.
Ms. Ketcham noted the importance of drawing the people involved in the his-
toric area into the Commission's process, so they understand and are sympa-
thetic to the Commission.
Mr. Ehler asked if the Commission is in jeopardy of losing Council support.
Current budget allows for the Historic Preservation program. 1989 is the
year in question. The budget review is held in early spring so the Commis-
sion needs to present a plan to the Council by the end of the year. Time
is of the essence.
Mr. Ehler asked that Mr. Mabry attend the next meeting --of the LPC.
Ms. VanMeter stated that Mr. Mabry has asked for a meeting with Tom Peter-
son, Wayne Sundberg, and herself.
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Mr. Ehler asked for more direct input from Council on what the position of
the LPC is.
Mr. Beardmore would like the plan to explain how the LPC ties into the
Downtown Plan.
Ms. VanMeter suggested a meeting with the Council liaison, separate from
the public meetings. Also, it might be possible to renegotiate a contract
with Sherry to redraft the document, subject to specific directions from
this body.
Mr. Ehler stated that the meeting with the Council liaison might be sche-
duled for two weeks from tonight. The Board is of a general consensus on
this draft, therefore not all members need be present. It would be best if
the Chairperson could be present. It would also be in the best interest of
the Commission if the draft was not for public consumption.
Ms. VanMeter stated that since both Commissions have new members, a joint
orientation session might be in order. Last item for consideration is to
arrange for a joint meeting between LPC and CRB. All members might benefit
from such a session.
Mr. Ehler asked that the method of conducting meetings should be included
in the program.
Ms. VanMeter asked for an update on names and addresses.
Meeting adjourned at approximately 8:30 P.M.