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HomeMy WebLinkAboutRetirement Committee - Minutes - 07/01/1993• FORT COLLINS GENERAL EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT COMMITTEE JULY 1, 1993 MEETING MINUTES COUNCIL LIAISON: Ann Azari, Mayor MEMBERS PRESENT: Ann Azari, Council Liaison MEMBERS ABSENT: Jerry P. Brown Jackie Davis Dennis Sumner Dave Meyer Alan Krcmarik (Member & Staff Support) OTHERS,PRESENT: Sue Wilcox (Staff Support - Secretary) Amy Coffern of William M. Mercer, Inc. the City's actuarial firm. Plan Members: ACCOUNTING: Kim Driese CPES ADMIN: PLANNING Ted Shepard CITY CLERK: NATURAL RESOURCES: ENGINEERING: Rita DeCourcey Linda Brown Claudia Haack -Benedict Kari Henderson Bruce Biggi Rita Harris Susie Gordon Kerrie Ashbeck Brenda Traut Rita Welch Janet Meisel Kirsten Whetstone CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Dennis Sumner called the meeting to order at 1:15 p.m. in the Second Floor Conference Room of City Hall West on July 1, 1993. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the June 3rd meeting were reviewed and it was noted that "department" should be "Service Area". Dave Meyer moved and Jackie Davis seconded a motion to approve the minutes as revised. The motion carried unanimously. ITEMS OF NOTE: Dennis welcomed the 14 Plan members from several departments and service areas. The Committee members received letters from Claudia Haack -Benedict, Janet Meisel, Julie Wittmeier, and Kari Henderson expressing their concerns about the pension plan and the survey. (Copies of the letters are available from the Committee staff secretary, Sue Wilcox.) Sue had prepared and distributed to Committee members a report containing the complete comments from the surveys, including copies of the multi -page comments. (Some written comments contained in the original report of survey results prepared by William M. Mercer, Inc. were incomplete because the size of the data entry field for "comments" was limited to eight lines.) She had also distributed to the members a compilation and tabulation of the written comments from the Education Program survey. Comments about a certain topic were grouped together and a notation made of how many people, out of 351 Plan members who responded to the survey, had made written comments on that topic. The Committee members asked that this summary of responses be added to these minutes when they are distributed. (See Appendix A.) -1- REVIEW OF DISCUSSION TOPICS: Although the Actuarial Valuation Report was distributed to the members, Don Mazanec of Wm. M. Mercer, Inc was not able to be present, so the discussion will be postponed until the next meeting. It was agreed to move Item #4 on the agenda to #1, since many of the visitors wished to address it. DISCUSSION TOPICS: 1. SURVEY RESULTS l COMMENTS MAIN POINTS: One or more of the members attending expressed concern for the following topics: 1. Earlier vesting (9 comments/affirmations) 2 ""Portability (10 comments/affirmation) 3."'Equity among all employee groups, including same choice of plans as other groups have, equity among administration/employees, female/male, short- term/long-term workers, classified/unclassified. (9 comments/affirmations) 4.""Need greater employee participation on the Committee. Committee members have divided loyalties: members. are appointed by Council, but administering benefits for employees. (5 comments/affirmations) 5.--No survivor benefits before age 55 (7 comments/affirmations) 6.""Vulnerability of the 457 plan, since the funds are an asset of the City and can be used elsewhere (1 comment) 7.'"Education program should have included the defined contribution plan. (1 comment) 8. Need to hire an independent consultant. (1 comment) 9. Survey was premature. Committee must decide what it wants and how to get there. (1 comment) 10. City should be on the leading edge of this issue,as it is on many other issues. (1 comment) 11. GERP is only a savings program and Social Security can't be counted on. (1 comment) 12. Regarding Rule of 80 with retirement only at age 55: It's possible for employee to work for City for 37 years before reaching age 55. If employee retired at that point, would receive only 1/2 the benefit they are entitled to if they retire at age 65. (1 comment) 13. It was noted that in 1986 the department and division heads were given an opportunity to roll their GERP funds into the 401(a) plan. When this option was chosen by a number of individuals, the funds did not come from the GER Plan, but from the General Fund or other funds. (1 comment) Several visitors suggested that the survey conducted after the education program was biased or skewed towards a defined benefit plan and a Rule of 80 and gave little consideration to a defined contribution plan. They felt that bias made the survey results invalid. Amy Coffern explained that through the survey the Committee was attempting to find out how much the members knew about their Plan, whether those attending the classes understood how the Plan works, and a sense of what members were looking for in the way of Plan improvements. The comparison with the ICMA 457 Plan was used in the literature because 1) It is the only other City -2- alternative available to all employees for saving towards retirement, and 2) based on the results of the Focus Groups, it was found that most City employees were familiar with how ICMA works. Committee members also commented that although there are many GER Plan members who want a defined contribution plan, there is also a large body of Plan members who "don't want anyone tampering with their retirement plan". The Committee has a fiduciary responsibility to all Plan members. There was debate over revising the current Plan and/or having a choice of plans. CONCLUSIONS/NEXT STEPS: Dennis noted that the charge of the General Employees Retirement Committee is to "administer and manage the GER Plan". City Council actually makes any changes. In previous conversations with Council members, the Committee was encouraged to improve the plan, keep the total compensation plan in mind, and not to make everyone angry. Dave suggested that it would be possible to make some changes to the current Plan and at the same time investigate other plans for possible implementation at a later date. He pointed out that the Committee has not set a deadline for this work. The current effort actually started about 2 years ago and is an ongoing process. Dennis invited all members to attend the meetings, which are generally held the first Thursday of each month in the Finance Conference Room at 1:15 p.m. The members suggested that meeting notices and minutes be available on the Notice Board and this will be done. 2. REQUEST FOR LUMP -SUM PAYMENTS MAIN POINTS: Linda Brown and Rita Welch of the Payroll Division had previously requested that some current retirees, whose benefits were less than $100 per month, be given the option of receiving a lump -sum payment. Mercer calculated that the financial impact on the GER Plan would be close to $100,000. After reviewing the issue, the Committee members did not act on the request because 1) this action might deny retirees cost -of -living increases and 2) the funds would be a significant loss for the Retirement Plan fund. Rita and Linda submitted a revised request to offer six retirees the option of a lump sum payment, since their benefits were less than $50 per month. The total loss to the fund would be less than $20,000. The Committee members noted that the Council Finance Committee members would like to review a number of pension -related issues, including more regular cost -of -living increases. CONCLUSIONS/NEXT STEPS: The Committee members elected to defer taking any action on Payroll's request until the Finance Committee has a chance to discuss the issues and make recommendations. This item will be carried on the "Items for Future Discussion" list by the GERC. -3- 3. QUESTIONS FROM EX -EMPLOYEE PLAN MEMBERS MAIN POINTS: Several questions have been received from ex -employees who are Plan members, regarding naming of a beneficiary and the possible early withdrawal and use of GER Plan benefits. CONCLUSIONS/NEXT STEPS: There are no provisions in the Plan for rolling over any Plan benefits to another pension, IRA, or deferred compensation plan. There are also no provisions for withdrawing funds from the Plan for "good Cause", i.e. down payment on a house, etc. There is no provision in the Plan which would deny an unmarried Plan member the right to name a beneficiary. No Plan member can name a beneficiary until they are 55 years old, but marital status is not a restriction. Sue will communicate these conclusions to the Plan members. 4. FORT NOTES ARTICLES MAIN POINTS: Dennis's article on GERP death benefits will appear in the July FortNotes, and Jerry will distribute his draft of the August article. CONCLUSIONS/NEXT STEPS: Members will review it and comment before the deadline for publication. ITEMS FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION 1. Possible seminars or workshops to increase GER Committee members' knowledge of their roles and responsibilities. 2. GERP / Workers Comp / Disability Proposal 3. Lump sum Payments for Some Pensioners 4. Monitor progress by Staff Pension Review Group AGENDA i SCHEDULE FOR NEXT MEETING NOTE: Because of schedule conflicts, the next meeting will be moved to Thursday, August 19th at 1:15 p.m. in the Finance Conference Room. The agenda will include: 1. Plan Member Comments 2. Second Quarter Investment Report 3. Actuarial Report 4. Action Plan to Explore Plan Changes -4- C7 • ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 3:40 p.m. MEETING SCHEDULE: The General Employees Retirement Committee meetings are normally held at 1:15 p.m. on the 1st Thursday of each month in the Finance Conference Room. Any change from that will be noted.- THURSDAY, AUGUST 19, 1993 THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7, 1993 THURSDAY, DECEMBER 2, 1993 THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 1993 THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1993 Appendix A - SUMMARY OF COMMENTS JUNE, 1993 706 surveys distributed, with 351 surveys returned. 106 Written comments (some covering multiple topics). MAJOR CONCERNS: CHOICES & EQUITY EQUITY (13 responses): Wanted equity in the plans in relation to classified & unclassified, male/female (i.e. the better plans are male dominated ones), police/fire, 401/457. It's not fair to ask Plan members to contribute when neither police nor fire had to. CHOICES: 1. WANT CHOICE OF OPTING OUT OF GERC. 2. MEDICAL: (13 responses) supplemental insurance for Medicare at nominal cost or option to pre -pay; if two city employees married, option to move one's medical benefit $ to retirement plan; group medical for retiree to buy; keep medical benefits separate from basic Plan so they won't bankrupt the Plan; can't count on future medical care; how would medical coverage work; one was unconcerned as husband's retirement benefits will include medical. 3. WANT RULE OF SO: (8 responses) references to worker's comp costs, especially in Labor/Trades group; how did the group of early retirees done several years ago work out; not wanted if minimum age is 55 --- use only age plus years of service. 4. IMPROVE EARLY RETIREMENT BENEFITS: (5 responses) willing to pay for better early retirement benefits; it would save on disability payments (4). 5. WANT SURVIVOR BENEFITS BEFORE 55: (6 responses) Want more flexibility in naming of beneficiary (pre -retirement and at retirement). 6. VESTING: MORE GENEROUS (11 responses) - allow partial credit for contractual employees, parttime and hourly; reduce the years for vesting; !&•T start vesting after 6 months probation period; optionally allow voluntary contributions before 6 years; enhance the benefits for longer -term employees before making vesting more generous; allow vesting from beginning of service if employee goes from unclassified (perhaps they mean hourly?) to classified; discourages older applicants for administrative positions because would not be vested for 10 years; how does GERP vesting compare with other funds; keep vesting consistent among all City plans. LESS GENEROUS (2 responses) - increase vesting to 15 or 20 years; use contributions for those who leave to increase the benefits for others. 8. NO BENEFICIARY FOR SINGLE PEOPLE (2 responses) Two people say it is unfair that single people cannot name a beneficiary. (THIS INFORMATION IS INCORRECT.) 9. WANT CHOICE OF PLANS: 10 wanted 401 or 457 plans, 6 wanted ICMA, 3 wanted GERP & 401 combined, 4 want choice of plan if paying for it. 10. WANT INVESTMENTS MANAGED BY OTHER THAN CITY PERSON (3 responses); STAY WITH CITY DOING INVESTING (1 response) Questions about internal investing (1 response). 11. WANT MORE PERSONAL INPUT/CONTROL IN THE PLAN: (2 response) 12. SATISFIED WITH PRESENT PLAN/SYSTEM: (13 responses) Let those not satisfied look for a job elsewhere; likes stability; fine the way it is; likes guaranteed benefit; satisfied, but ok to pay for more benefit; provides very well for long-term employees in traditional family. 13. COST - NO CHANGE: (7 responses) Too much deducted from paycheck already; no change if there is a cost; exceptional retirement plan great, but at what cost; won't pay cost for earlier vesting of other employees. ADDITIONAL COST TO MEMBER: 6 willing to pay extra cost if they can choose own plan; Cafeteria -type retirement plan where "extras" could be applied to these changes in Plan; share cost of changes evenly with City; willingness to pay tied to amount of pay increase Council gives. OTHER CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS: (1 response each unless noted) 14. EDUCATION PROGRAM: (13 responses) thanks, good job, thorough questionnaire; survey too complicated; make classes ongoing, survey premature. 15. Wants savings bonds offered. 16. "Guaranteed" benefit challenged: (3 responses) cited two references in booklets that say "City Council can change GER Plan at will". 17. Consider 3 year FAMP 18. Need cost -of -living adjustments. 19. Wants more information and interactive workshops. I& 20. Who is asking for another ICMA Plan and why; investigate ICMA--- investment options poor, reporting terrible and track record questionable; providing ICMA-type plans should be bid. (3 comments) 21. Social Security estimates too high ---wants realistic figure. 22. Substitute life insurance for survivor benefits before age 55. 23. Questioned validity of survey results. 24. Change employee representation on the Board (2 Responses). 25. Hire unbiased consultant. 26. Hire investment manager. -7-