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HomeMy WebLinkAboutRetirement Committee - Minutes - 09/14/1989• GENERAL EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT MEETING MINUTES SEPTEMBER 14, 1989 2:00 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jerry Brown Mollie Mercer Alan Krchmarik Angelina Powell Dennis Sumner Sue Wilcox, Secretary GUESTS: Mike Powers, Pam Stultz, Pete Dallow, and Jaime Mares CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Dennis Sumner called the meeting to order at 2:00 P.M. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: No minutes were available from the September 13th meeting. ITEMS OF NOTE: GERC members thanked our guests for joining this meeting to discuss the potential of a defined contribution plan for the general employees retirement plan. AGENDA REVIEW: It was noted the purpose of this meeting was to discuss the defined contribution concept. Other business of the GERC will be discussed at a separate meeting. DISCUSSION TOPICS - OPEN ITEMS 1. CONSIDERATION OF A DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLAN FOR THE GERC. MAIN POINTS: A. The differences between a defined benefit plan and defined contribution plan were noted. In short the defined benefit, as in place at this time, guarantees employees a defined benefit. A defined contribution plan guarantees employees an amount of money is contributed to an account in the employee's name. This account is managed like the ICMA accounts many employees currently have and the employee's retirement income is based on the success of their investments. A defined contribution plan tends to be more favorable for a shorter term employee and gives the employee a benefit which can be transferred to an estate. The defined benefit plan tends to benefit the long term employee and the retired employee who lives longer than normal expectancy after retirement. • B. Police are not members of social security and do contribute to their retirement fund and therefore, a substantially higher percentage of their salaries is involved with this aspect of their retirement planning. In the police retirement fund there were excess funds of approximately $2 million and negotiating the distribution of these funds took alot of time. A 2/3 vote of the members was required in order to change from the defined benefit to the defined contribution plan. Some of employees wanted to stay with the defined benefit plan. That option is being maintained for a limited number of employees through an annuity arrangement. The police were offered the choice between the present value of the defined benefit plan vs the value of their contribution. The final details of the transition to the defined contribution plan are still being resolved. • • C. There was general discussion about which type of plan would best benefit a given individual. In the short term, the defined contribution plan tends to generate more value than the defined benefit plan. Amounts earned on invested funds in a retirement plan and salary growth over the course of employment can have notable impacts on the relative benefit to a given employee of one plan compared to another. It was concluded that there is no clear and universal benefit associated with one plan vs the other. D. It can be argued that the current general employees retirement plan provides an artificial encouragement for employees to stay employed with the City in the latter years of their work life. This may be desireable and serve the organization's best interest. On the other hand the artificial incentive may encourage an employee who is not providing optimum performance to remain with the City. It was concluded that the City's position on this question would be neutral since there were both advantages and benefits to both sides of the issue. E. It was pointed out that the GERC is only one piece of the general employees retirement package. ICMA offers the employee total choice with defined contributions. Social Security is intended to provide a minimum level of benefit or safety net. The GERC general employees retirement plan functions as a retirement provision between these two extremes. F. It was noted that in a spring meeting Council Liaison to GERC, he suggested the the City Council with respect to change in plan concerns the total cost of the plan. discussed now, provided it serves the best with Chuck Mabry, biggest concern to the retirement A change as being interest of the • City and employees, should not be a problem for the City Council. Chuck also suggested that when information is brought to the City Council, it is more helpful to the City Council for a complete package to be presented as opposed to a number of piece -meal decisions. • DECISIONS/CONCLUSIONS: The group concluded that consideration of a defined contribution plan was worthy of further consideration. In order to develop some type of means of attacking this question a "to do" list was generated. This list was not prioritized or put in chronological order: 1. Clarify issues, possibly an employee survey. 2. Educate employees. 3. Get financial counseling for each employee. 4. Develop an actuarial study showing the dollars for 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10 11 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. employee. each Vote or decide in an interactive process (shadow votes). Keep City Council posted. City Council final approval. In-house computer work on the dollar amounts. Explore employee contributions to the plan. In-house test runs (of different rates of return). Options and modifications -- review with other municipalities, the PD, etc. Survey employees. Deal with vested/terminated people. Deal with retirees. How to administer plan. Determine priorities Set up a cut-off date for use in actuarial projections. Set other assumptions also. Pete Dallow offered to serve as a liaison person with the E-team for the GERC in this project. Guests at this GERC meeting who participated in this discussion agreed to act as resources for direction and guidance in the evaluation of a change in the retirement plan. A tentative time frame for completing a change in the retirement plan (if it is determined to be appropriate) was January, 1991. NEXT STEPS: The GERC will use the "to do" list developed above to develop a more detailed work plan. The work plan will be put in sequential order and in some type of a framework to approach this question. 40 3 DISCUSSION TOPICS - NEW ITEMS: • 1. DISTRIBUTION OF GERC MINUTES: MAIN POINTS• It was noted GERC minutes have not been distributed to the E-team or City Council. It was suggested minutes be distributed to these groups. DECISIONS/CONCLUSIONS: It was concluded minutes would be distributed as suggested. NEXT STEPS: Sue Wilcox will make sure GERC minutes are distributed to the E-team and City Council. AGENDA & SCHEDULE FOR NEXT MEETING: The agenda of next GERC meeting will be to continue the discussion of the Defined Contribution Plan and other normal committee business. ADJOURNED: The meeting was adjourned at 4:15 P.M. • 4