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HomeMy WebLinkAboutEconomic Advisory Board - Minutes - 02/15/2023Page | 1 02/15/23 – Minutes Economic Advisory Board REGULAR MEETING Wednesday, February 15, 2023 – 4:00 PM 300 LaPorte Avenue, Council Information Center 1. CALL TO ORDER: 4:02 PM 2. ROLL CALL a. Board Members Present – • Denny Coleman • Mike Colwell • Thierry Dossou • Erin Gray • Mistene Nugent • John Parks (Vice Chair) • Braulio Rojas • Richard Waal • Renee Walkup (Chair) b. Board Members Absent – c. Staff Members Present – • Jillian Fresa, Staff Liaison • Shirley Peel, Councilmember, District 4 • Caroline Mitchell, Waste Reduction and Recycling Program Manager • Sylvia Tatman-Burruss, Senior Project Manager • Clay Frickey, Redevelopment Manager • Ashley Kailburn, Senior Specialist, Economic Sustainability d. Guest(s) – • Bill Althouse 3. AGENDA REVIEW 4. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION a. Bill Althouse – Bill is on the Fort Collins Energy Board and participates in multiple other venues including committees, setting standards for the national power grid, setting ASTM standards, a member of the Association of Energy Engineers, Rocky Mountain Farmers Union, and the Chamber of Commerce. He sees the transition to 100% renewable energy as the biggest economic opportunity for Fort Collins. He is worried about businesses as well as that the shift to 100% renewable energy is going to drive up rates. One of the reasons the economy in Fort Collins has been so healthy is because Platte River gives them the lowest rates in the state for the past 40 years. Technology has Page | 2 02/15/23 – Minutes radically shifted, and he just got out of a seminar on the arrival of virtual powerplants which means all of Fort Collin’s businesses can now come the energy suppliers. The majority of the IRA money is tax credit for businesses and residences to deploy energy resources. When aggregated together and managed property, they can drive down rates to everyone in the City. Bill was asking for collaboration between EAB and the Energy Board to go beyond just the engineering and look at the economic impacts of turning the small businesses into an energy producer. He believes the revenue they will get will expand their businesses and allow for more hiring. It is an opportunity to redirect a billion dollars that can build a central solar farm at Platte River or could build on to every business in town to become a producer. 5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES a. Board approved January Minutes 6. UNFINISHED BUSINESS a. The Board went around and did introductions. New Board Members include Erin Gray, Mike Colwell, and Richard Waal. 7. NEW BUSINESS a. Waste Contracting Update • The contract for single family trash, recycling, and compost is going in front of Council next week. It aligns with many strategic plans in the City and is a Council Priority. Right now, the City is operating in a licensed system but looking towards a contracted system. 70% if communities use a municipal or contracted system. This contract would apply to single family homes and multifamily complexes with seven or fewer units. It might apply to HOA’s that contract for trash and recycling services now. This contracted service would affect 20% of the current trash and recycling services in the City. Peer communities with contracted residential services have confirmed that once they adopted the contracted residential service, other haulers remained active in their community and continued to provide competitive proposals in the future competitive purchasing process, and many have changed companies from contract to contract. The first reading will take place on February 21st and the second reading is scheduled for March 7th. The service and admin fees would begin on September 30, 2024. • There were three haulers that replied to the request for proposals, Waste Management, Sweetman Sanitation, and Republic Services. Republic’s proposal most closely aligned with the evaluation criteria and the City then negotiated the contract. The contract aligns with many City Council and Community goals including cost effective pricing; equity; additional recycling and composting; increased safety; reduce emissions; street maintenance savings of having fewer trucks in neighborhoods; reduce greenhouse gas emissions; and high level of customer service. The contract will include volume-based trash service, recycling bundled in, yard trimming collecting from April - November, and two bulky waste items pick up per year. Council will consider ever other week or weekly service for recycling. Residents will be able to opt out of yard trimming collection for a $5 savings. Page | 3 02/15/23 – Minutes Food scrap collection will not be in this contract but can be amended when that service becomes available. The carts will be City logo ’ed carts and will remain at homes at the end of the contract. The contract will last five years from the service start date. • The contract includes enforcement ability including performance standards and liquidated damages. These apply to customers when the service wait time is over three minutes and resolution time is more than one day. Missed pick ups for regular service or bulky item pick up will result in one free month of service. Not delivering carts within five businesses days will also result in one free month of service. The City will have staff specifically focused on contract monitoring and enforcement. The opt out fee will be $11.10/month which is the XS trash cart service fee. Pricing will result in savings for most households. A $1.35/month admin fee is included which will support 2-4 FTE and program costs for the City’s role in the program rollout and management; customer service; education and outreach; and compliance. There would also be some code changes that enable the contract service and admin fee. For HOA’s to continue their own contract they must continue to meet the pay as you throw requirements and match contract yard trimming service by the time the City’s Service starts. • Q (Mistene) Couple of questions. On the weekly vs biweekly recycling from a citizen’s standpoint, I think it would depend on the size of the bin we would have for that. We do biweekly recycling, and we have a huge bin so it is fine to do that, but if we cut down to the smaller one it would need to be more frequent. • A (Caroline) The contract would have the default recycling bin size be the large, 95-gallon bin. In the weekly scenario, folks would have one of those and in the every two weeks scenario, they would have the option to have up to tow of those which is an option in our current program. If households would prefer the 65-gallon or medium size recycling bin, that is available for no additional charge. They would just have to request it. The large bin would be the default but the medium one would also be available. • Q (Mistene) Is there a requirement in the contract that the provider needs to accept online payments? • A (Caroline) Yes. • Q (Mistene) Overall, I think tonight is the first night we have seen the pie chart where this is affecting 20%. I am assuming that assumption has carried through for this entire analysis so the cost savings to the city in terms of road maintenance and all that. Is that impacted by that or is that the same assumption? • A (Caroline) If you look at all the trash and recycling business in the City of Fort Collins, the element that would be impacted by this contract is 20% of that market so it is not taking into account the street savings or cost of service. Those are sort of separate pieces. There are a lot of folks who very understandably get the feeling that the City is going to contract out all the trash and recycling service in the whole community. This is really trying to give context. Most people see what they see on the day to day, and we see our Page | 4 02/15/23 – Minutes household bin and we don’t really see all of the roll offs and dumpsters behind businesses. Those are a really substantial part of the trash and recycling industry. That is really trying to clarify that there is a lot of community service that is not impacted by this contract. • Q (Mistene) I was surprised to see that small of a number. My question is the savings that we have seen to this point in terms of moving to a contract and the savings to the City’s budget. Did that incorporate that this program would only affect 20% of the service. • A (Caroline) Yes, I think I misunderstood your question at first. I apologize. • Q (Mistene) I mean I knew the HOAs were not impacted and so forth. Is there a plan to start to affect more of that? • A (Caroline) Colorado state law does not allow City’s to contract any of the other sectors, so multifamily, commercial, and construction and demolition. Those are off the table due to the state requirements in Colorado. Whether or not HOAs that have contracts for service will be include in the City’s contract or not really depends community to community. In this project, the logic of the project team is that the HOAs that already have contracts for service, they are already achieving the goals intended by this project. As long as they are meeting the City’s requirements for pay as you throw pricing, it didn’t seem like there was a lot of value to try and shift that system right now. A lot of the communities that do include HOAs didn’t have those baseline requirements so they end up in situations where the people in the City’s contract may have pay as you throw pricing but the HOAs don’t. That is one of the ways they try to equalize that out but in Fort Collins since everyone would have the same playing field, it seemed like a lot of the benefits were already being achieved by those HOA systems. • Q (Denny) Very good presentation and I applaud the City and staff for thinking this through. I think it is moving in the right direction for the City. My wife is a consumer of the news, if you want to call it that from Next Door Neighbor and they seem to have an enormous number of complaints about this particular hauler, Republic. My question is did any of those complaints come through? Did you analyze any of the current service complaints from any of the three people who bid on the service? Secondly, my comment is that it seems like your contract has adequate protections in it for those things coming down and that they will be resolved quickly. I hope that everyone stays on top of that. Is this just a social minority that sometimes shows up in social media areas or did you pick up on any of that in your analysis? • A (Caroline) Well I don’t know if I am in a place to be able to comment on the commenters on Next-door, but I can say that the decision for which hauler we move forward with was based purely on the criteria in the request for proposals that was issued. One of those was a strong customer service and so we were very clear in the request for proposals, and we Page | 5 02/15/23 – Minutes had weighted customer service really high in the evaluation criteria. The contract is set up to have really strong requirements around customer service. I would say for the proposals to be successful in that evaluation criteria had to have a very strong customer service commitments and the contract we wrote when talking about that compliance side has very strict requirements with a lot of financial penalties to the hauler if they don’t meet those requirements. That is more of the area of focus that we used in determining. We had to base our decision off the information in the proposals but again we have very strong requirements with some pretty strong teeth in them. We will have staff specifically dedicated to enforcing those. I have been in this industry for a long time, and I have never found a hauler that is universally loved or hated. Just like everyone else, there is a mix of opinions on matter which entity we pick. • Q (Renee) Thank you so much for that presentation. I really enjoyed how the information delivered has refined over the last few months. My question has to do with recycling. When the haulers pick up recycling, I guess they will be handling the separating. Does the recycling criteria, for example #8 plastics stay the same as we have been managing through currently? • A (Caroline) Yes. • Q (Erin) I have a greenhouse gas accounting question for you on a weekly vs biweekly pick up for recycling. I will put it on the table that I am still learning about how trash is handled in Fort Collins but I imagine the trade off is something like having more trucks on the road to pick up maybe not everyone is going to need that but there is an environmental greenhouse gas benefit to having more recycling. I was hoping you could explain how that is calculated exactly or what are the tradeoffs there and having alternatives like educating residents on how to recycle appropriately. I don’t know if that is an issue here, but I have certainly lived in places where people don’t always know what goes in recycling and some that ends up going to the trash. Is there a way to just reduce what people aren’t recycling through education. • A (Caroline) It does, and I can tell you in generalities. I can also open the document and tell you in specifics. There are many factors in the world of recycling as you are talking about the education. There are many ways to help improve recycling and specifically when we are looking at the weekly vs every other week recycling. As you absolutely already identified the general trade off is the impact of having a truck on the road every week instead of every other week. I think you already had the equation right. You get more recycling, but you also get more trucks on the road. I have only worked in communities that have had every other week recycling for the last 20 years and so I honestly hadn’t looked that much into weekly recycling. There was a small hauler that had been operating in the community called Timberline Hauling that offered weekly recycling and when they went out of business a number of their customers called me saying, hey Page | 6 02/15/23 – Minutes we really liked that and where can we get that. They had identified there was not a service option for that in the community. So, we put it on the request for proposals but as we talked about you have a whole second truck coming every week. Generally, the norm would be that would cost a lot more money for that sort of service so in that ratio of more recycling to more impact, generally weekly recycling in the past has not balanced out. I think there are a lot of efficiencies from the hauler’s perspective from the routing of just being able to have weekly service for both trash, recycling, and yard trimmings. For whatever all the factors are that fed into it for them, they offered a very affordable service price for it. We have been digging more into those details over the last few weeks to better understand the delta between weekly and every other week recycling. I can tell you that yes there is more greenhouse gas emissions and more truck impacts from the additional truck on the road but the greenhouse gas reductions from the additional recycling are fairly substantial net benefit beyond those increase in the impact. I can pull up the exact number if that would be helpful for you, but you have the right elements on that teeter totter if you will. Both diversion impact and the green house gas reductions come out in the favor of weekly recycling. • Q (Braulio) Thank you for the presentation. Two comments. One is related to the provider. From personal experience, Republic purchased a local operator, and the customer service quality was changed dramatically, and I personally struggle. I don’t have to make it universal, but I can tell you the local provider that we used to have had higher standards of customer service compared to my experiences right now. I think it makes sense because in the past when you talk to customer service, you speak to a local person, knowing what is going on. Now you call and it is a person, I don’t know exactly where but my guess is in another state, and they are really disconnected from what is happening. I don’t understand. When you hire a provider, it is like a love relationship. You are getting all the pretty things. We need to, and what I think you are doing, is make sure that the customer service and service level agreements are really there and going to be placed on the financial piece. After you get engaged nobody wants to go through lawyers and get a divorce. The other side was we are moving in this direction because we are going to gain many things like less traffic and a big win was supposed to be gas emissions. Is there a number, and it doesn’t have to happen now, but we are taking this job from local providers and giving it to national providers, but we are going to gain this reduction in gas emissions. Is that information available or will it be available at some point? I am trying to justify the trade if we are going to take 20% of business from local providers and give it to, in this case Republic, which I don’t think is a local Colorado Company or from Fort Collins. There is something that needs to be gained because we are taking 20% of that business from local people and giving that to people not necessarily tied to Fort Collins so the gain should be here in the end. Page | 7 02/15/23 – Minutes • A (Caroline) I wonder if I might be able to add a bit of context in relationship to your comments. First of all, I really appreciate your comments about it being similar to a love relationship and everything looks so glow-y at the beginning, but I am also an incredibly skeptical person who has been in this industry for a long time. No matter who the prosper was you may notice we don’t talk about the particular company in our materials very much because we really framed this program around what kind of program does Fort Collins want. We were just working to find a provider that can work into that program as opposed to vice versa. There are lots of checks and balances in this contract. I want to also clarify that within our current hauling market in Fort Collins, the majority of the haulers are national haulers. Ram waste is owned by Waste Connections. Waste Management is a national company and then there is Republic which already has a certain customer base in the Community, and they would maintain that customer base. There is a shift for Ram and Waste Management. There is also a small hauler from Kansas City that had opened in Fort Collins called Mountain High that started business this past May, and they are not longer adding customers in Fort Collins. Just sort of a sense for what the landscape is in the residential hauling business in Fort Collins. • Q (John) Thanks so much for that great presentation. I have a little announcement for the Board but a side question for you. After your presentations in April and June the Board made a comment that we delivered to Council suggesting they move forward with it. That is the main way we as a Board can influence Council. I am not sure to what extent that letter had and influenced but they made the decision we were hoping they would make. So that is something to keep in mind for future conversations. I understand trash trucks are extremely inefficient. They get like one to two miles per gallon, and they are excellent candidates for electrification because they make so many frequent stops. I am curious if that has been factored at all into the conversation and if there are any goals in the future for the contracted service to incorporate more electrified trucks just like the bus service has started to include. • A (Caroline) That is an amazing question. Thank you. There are so many details in all of this. It is occurring to me that we didn’t even have it in our slides, but that is one of the benefits also that we were able to obtain in the proposed contract. Having the purchasing power of the contracted services allows for more of those advances in a faster timeline. This proposal includes one electric truck on a pilot basis. You are absolutely right that electrified trucks for the trash industry make a ton of sense and also there are glitches in them right now. They are still in the trying it out phase but those do exist and have a lot of potential. We have the commitment of one electric truck in the community which I think will actually get here before the contracted service even starts. I think they an get it here this fall. If that Page | 8 02/15/23 – Minutes works great, then we have the possibility to seek grant funding for additional trucks but there is another major win in the sustainable vehicle front. Republic would essentially be using half existing fleet and purchasing new the other half. All the new vehicles they would purchase would run off renewable natural gas which is kind of its own challenging term but natural gas that comes from landfills as opposed to virgin drilling. They are definitely far greater environmental benefit than diesel trucks but not as good as electric trucks. Electric trucks are not quite ready for the primetime yet. So, the good news is we make really great sustainable vehicle progress in the contracted program is the bottom line. • Comment (Erin) I picture that as a slide along with the option for food scraps and the composting. That seems like a major win. • Comment (Caroline) Unfortunately, food scraps is not included now because we don’t have the facilities, but we did talk about it with Republic, and they would be open to collecting that material as soon as a destination for it can be identified. • b. North College Update • Current plans and projects for the North College corridor include North College Max plan, mobile home park rezoning, land bank, North Mason Street, Poudre River zone plan update, Powerhouse II, Jerome Street station, North College marketplace, 24/7 shelter, Sit and Stay Dog Bar, and Albertsons. • The North College Max plan is going to council next week. It would extend the Max bus route and transit services. Implementation would be many years out. There is a mobile home park that is east of the railroad tracks that is zoned for commercial right now. They have been rezoning many of the mobile home parks to a mobile home only zone so they can preserve some of that housing stock. The land bank is about five acres of land saved for an affordable housing program. The City buys the land and once development is complete around it, they can sell that land at a discounted price to affordable housing developers. The housing developed on that land will have to remain affordable forever. North Mason Street will allow for business access and be a safer area for bikes and pedestrians. • Q (Renee) What is considered North Mason? What is the cross street? • A (Clay) North Mason Street doesn’t exist right now. Mason Street stops at Cherry. It stops at the river. Basically, we would create Mason Street north of the river. It wouldn’t connect over the river. It would still be disconnected but there would be that Mason Street presence on the north side of town. • Comment (Denny) I think it’s a dirt street. • Comment (Clay) It is. There is no formal Mason Street north of Hemlock. There is business access from Hickory to the Bike Co-op and some of the other businesses but again, it is pretty informal. It would be a formal street with better Page | 9 02/15/23 – Minutes sidewalks, bike lanes, trees, and lawns, the whole thing. • Presentation (Clay) Natural Areas is working on updating the Poudre River zone plan which deals with how to maintain those natural areas but also figure out what programming looks like in the natural areas as well. There is tension between keeping an area natural which is limiting the human interaction in those spaces, but many people like to walk along the river or ponds etc. So, part of the plan is balancing those different priorities. Powerhouse II is an expansion of the CSU Powerhouse on the south side of the Poudre. They want to build the second phase of their project at Vine and College it will be about 150,000 square feet and include lab space and more community-oriented spaces. They are doing some public engagement around what that would look like. It would continue the idea of the innovation district along Vine Drive. They should start construction in about six months. Jerome Street station is land just north of Powerhouse II. They just got approval to build over 100 townhomes. The 24/7 shelter is a proposed relation of the Denver Rescued Mission. It will be going through the development review process soon. It would allow them to expand as they have been out of room for many years. They would be able to offer better service to the unhouse and people that require their services. They would have a lot of bed space and offer a lot of wraparound services to help them live a more self-sufficient life. • Q (Renee) Is that north of the Lyric? • A (Clay) It is further north, north of Hickory Street and south of the Bike Co-op. It would be closer to the bike Co-op than the Lyric. • Presentation (Clay) The North College Market Place is one of the last pad sites for development In the North College Market P lace which is at the north end of the King Soopers Parking lot. The buildings are finished and opening soon. The Sit and Stay Dog Bar will be a dog park but will have kennel space and a bar as well. • Q (Mistene) Is that a big place then? • A (Clay) It will be reasonably sized. I don’t know how big but big enough for a bar, kennel space, and outdoor space to hang out with your dogs. • Presentation (Clay) The last one is Albertsons. They have a lease agreement, but the building has been vacant. There is not redevelopment insight which has crated many nuances. The City is trying to see if something can happen there. They are now entrusted in purchasing the site and want to do a couple of things there. They have heard from the Spanish-speaking community in particular and they don’t have a lot of resources for gathering spaces. They want to get together and it is next to impossible to find a space that is affordable. They have also heard from high school students in need of tutoring and other afterschool programing. The concept of a community hall could combine a lot of those services. There is also three acres of parking, which they would not need so they have also heard the desire for affordable housing and other retail spaces. The idea is to redevelop that area to fill a lot of gaps in the community. • Comment (Mistene) So the City is looking at purchase of that. I have seen conversations around that domain and all sorts of things there. Page | 10 02/15/23 – Minutes • Comment (Clay) Yeah, we were only able to get a hold of the property in the last two weeks because it has been difficult. • Comment (Mistene) Yeah, I mean they are getting rent. • Comment (Clay) That is the issue. I mean Albertsons keeps cutting them a rent check that is well above market in today’s real-estate world. The idea is that we would try to explore all options to purchase. Our conversations with an investment trust were positive, so we will see how we can work towards that. • Q (Mistene) I am curious where the budget comes form to do that. • A (Clay) We utilize half year financing, so we have 4 million in cash right now and we expect 23 million by the end of December. • Q (John) I am curious about that comment. Why is Albertsons continuing to pay rent on that property? • A (Mistene) They have to. They have a lease. • Q (John) That lease is indefinite? • A (Clay) Until 2030 • Comment (Mistene) So if you own that property, you are not motivated to do anything else with it. • Comment (Clay) That is why nothing is happening there. We can continue doing that until the lease is up in 2030 but for me and I think a lot of the community, that’s just not sensible. We are trying to find a way to resolve that. • Q (Mistene) Any zoning changes you anticipate or are actively doing? • A (Clay) The only one is the mobile home park. The North College Max plan has some recommendations for land use and how to better support transit. Basically, we have a transit orient development overlay zone which is an advance way to say we have incentives for increasing density close to bus routes and transit in other parts of the community. We provide some incentives close to the Mason corridor. For example, if you build something that is mixed use, has a parking garage or affordable housing, you can get bonus height in buildings in that corridor. We want to extend those incentives to the North College corridor so that way we can try to see denser development to support bus transit. We might consider some things like that but that will be part of the North College Max plan. Then without getting too much into the code as it has been controversial, phase two of the land development code deals with commercial areas and so we have various tweaks to better achieve our goals. • Q (Renee) Maybe you said it and I missed it but what kind of timeframe are we looking at for most of these items? • A (Clay) A lot of these items are short term. Longer term items include the North College max plan and implementation is several years in the future. We did a similar process with the West Elizabeth corridor and we are in the process of budling out the bus rapid corridor for West Page | 11 02/15/23 – Minutes Elizabeth. That is our most highly used corridor in the community. Once we get that up and running which will probably take a few years, that is when we move to North College and see what it will take to implement the Max service in the North College corridor. That will be several years down the road. I think Albertsons could go many ways so it is difficult to say when that is going to go because it could be that it is too rich for our blood, or we could get into contract negotiations with the property owner which could also delay things. So that is probably a more long-term thing too. The rest of them are happening pretty quick. The other one exception would be the North Mason corridor. It is going to take a lot. One of the big things that have come up there is there is an irrigation canal that runs through there that goes all the way to Timnath and pulls water out of the river right around where Madison Park is. It runs through where Powerhouse II and Jerome Street Station are and continues southeast. Long term its probably going to go away and so we don’t want to build infrastructure that either goes above or below it if we are going to yank it out anyway. That is what we are trying to work through now is we want to build it at the right time, so we are not having to redo anything. So that is probably a few years down the road as well. • Q (Mistene) Do you have to reclaim any properties to actually make that work? • A (Clay) The Mason Street Property, yeah not right away. Our engineering department has identified properties to look at. We have a small budget to acquire some of that. • Q (Denny) I never really go to north college, but I was impressed with the size of the mobile home area. There are some stick-built houses in there that appear to be very affordable. Are those included in the new zone area or not? • Q (Clay) Are you talking about the stick bult homes off Willox? • A (Denny) I don’t know. • A (Clay) I would have to look at exactly what homes you are talking about. The only area we are focused on is the area that have a land lease because all these mobile home parks operate where the owners of the park don’t own the land underneath them. People have very little control that is where we will ensure everything. • Presentation (Clay) The city has a comprehensive plan for the community and has high level goals for Fort Collins. North College is seen as a redevelopment opportunity and has been for a number of years. In the early 90s it was very disconnected from the community, but they wanted to keep that area affordable. In 2019 or 2020 they adopted the Housing Strategic Plan. The City worked with consultants to develop a gentrification analysis and two places that popped out as in the middle of gentrification were in the North College corridor. Some of that is because they invested a lot of money in that area to see development but that has increased real estate prices for businesses and community members. Page | 12 02/15/23 – Minutes • Comment (Mistene) There is also a lot of land there. There is not a lot of land within City limits. • Comment (Clay) Yes, exactly. • Presentation (Clay) We have an active modes plan that recently went to City Council for adoption. Part of that included an analysis for the 15-minute city which identified areas where people can walk or bike within 15 minutes for their day-to-day needs. Whitin that analysis they found areas that were good areas to focus on an equity perspective that were not performing well but could and North College was included in that. There is a lack of infrastructure in that area which is a big barrier but that has started to change. They want to continue that while ensuring people have affordable places to live. The Max plan also identifies some improved bike and pedestrian infrastructure, which will be going to Council next week. City staff will also go to the Planning and Zoning Board next week for a recommendation on the North College Mobile Home Rezoning. Council will consider it in March. • Q (Mike) More of a curiosity on the discussion on Albertsons; I have heard discussion about a library up there. Is there any talk about that? • A (Clay) We have had some discussions. We know the Library District master plan has an idea of some sort of north branch. It is not necessarily a branch but would provide library services to that portion of the community. It would be more like a satellite branch since they have the Old Town branch. One of their main focuses right now is the southeast part of the community and figuring out a long term situation for a library down there. As there is more residential development in the east part of the community, there would be a full service branch out there too. They do have some desire for a presence in the North College community. We talked about it a little but nothing formal at this point. That is something community members mentioned too. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was some library type service there. • Q (John) I was curious about the Max line and why it hasn’t gone up to North College and what the difficulty is in extending that. I imagine it has something to do with making a similar corridor to the rest of it on Mason that has it separate from the rest of traffic but can you go into that? • A (Clay) That is certainly part of the consideration. How does a bus line actual work in the corridor? Why hasn’t it gone up there, is a multipart answer. One is there is a good ridership however, there is not a ton of residential up on North College. We do know in the future there is going to be a lot more residential in that corridor, so we are trying to get ahead of that and plan for that growth so that way when it happens, we are ready to provide that service as soon as we can. There are two bus lines that run that way now; the 8 and 81. I think one is on Blue Spruce and heads down to Redwood but anyway the big reason is there is not a huge residential area, but it is growing so that is why we are doing the planning. In terms of the physical solution, there is a plan Page | 13 02/15/23 – Minutes that there will be a lane on North College Ave itself, so it won’t be on North Mason and a separate guideway like we have on the southern part of the community. There will basically be a shared right turn lane and a bus lane throughout the entire corridor. The other issue is how do you turn a bus around. That was another big one that seems simple but the big busses are really difficult to find the space to turn around. In the interim, it will stop at Willox and then turn around. Long term, the idea is to get it up to Highway 1 and the Poudre Valley Mobile Home Park. The busses currently pull into the mobile home park and turn around, but it is a mess, and it is really hard to turn back there during busy times. That was one of the big considerations was just how do you turn a bus around. The other thing that is happening too is providing a north transit facility to service vehicles. The service facility is currently at the very south side of town and so long term Transfort wants a facility on the north side of town. I don’t know if that is in the plans, but that is another consideration of building another maintenance facility to cut down on costs of just driving a bus to the service. • Comment (John) I wonder as a side bar on the North College transit facility if you could talk to the State as well because Bustang’s service center is in Golden, so they might appreciate a center out there as well. • Comment (Clay) I will pass that along, thank you. • Q (Mistene) Are you hearing from the North Fort Collins Business association and the plans up there? • A (Clay) A lot of things they are happy about and generally speaking, they support more density, more people and businesses in that corridor. They support the Albertsons discussion. They have been generally supportive, but they have been concerned about plans to widen sidewalks for multiuse paths for bikes and pedestrians. Right now bikes are basically on the shoulder but we are trying to find a way to get them on a shared path. We just put that infrastructure out there not that long ago. That is going to require us to widen the sidewalks. The shelter is also one they are concerned about but it just depends on the topic. Generally speaking, I think things are pretty positive and have been going well. One the whole, happier than not. • Q (Renee) What is going to happen to the current Mission on Linden? Will that remain in use? • A (Clay) They would relocate to that North College facility once it is built. Once they vacate the property, I am not sure. • Q (Mike) On North College, sort of west of the country club, is that unincorporated Larimer County? • A (Clay) Correct • Q (Mike) Is there any discussion with Larimer County on the uses along that stretch because it appears maybe some of those are ready for some reinvestment too. • A (Clay) Long term that area is in our road management Page | 14 02/15/23 – Minutes area. Let’s say someone comes in and wants to develop right on the edge of the City in Larimer County right now. We have an intergovernmental agreement with Larimer County that requires them to annex into the City. Let’s say it is not bordering the City, then Larimer County has its own land use code and standards. There has been discussion on what development looks like in that corridor. Those properties are not easy to develop for a lot of reasons but a big one is the floodplain. There are a lot of floodplains in that area which make development impossible. Also, in general the County does not allow more urban land development than the City does just on an economic perspective because a lot of those issues. It will probably be some time for those properties to redevelop and when they do it will likely be with the City and if they are in Larimer County, then it will probably be a lower level of intensity. • Q (Braulio) What do you need from us to help you moving forward? • A (Clay) I think something that would be helpful is thinking about affordable spaces and what kind of businesses would make sense in that corridor. I am curious what that could look like and how the urban world could support small businesses in that corridor. We have had that discussion in the past of having some sort of program or especially during the pandemic of how we can use some of the tax for small businesses. I still think that concept make sense around the smaller businesses in that corridor. So programs that might have been successful elsewhere or if you are hearing from businesses that have those needs; that would be extremely helpful. That is what pops into my mind immediately but I will think about it a little more and communicate with Jillian. I think for more controversial items like Albertsons, just showing support or not, voicing your opinion makes a difference and Council listens to those types of things. • Q (Braulio) I see one of the main challenges right now in rezoning for example. I think it is positive. Is there a letter that may help you at all? • A (Clay) I think for that example particularly, yeah. I mean it never hurts. The staff person is Ryan Mounce. Jillian and I can work on getting that letter to the right person on any of these topics. • Q (Renee) For clarification, if I were driving north on College, where does the City limit end? • A (Clay) I am a big map person so let me get that pulled up. See this Larimer Weld canal? That is the northern limit to the City. • Q (Renee) So what is up there? I am a big visual person. Is that King Soopers? • A (Clay) Exactly • Q(Renee) So once you get to the Country Club, that is County? • A (Clay) That is correct. Generally speaking, there is a little sliver north of that canal, but it is easy to use the canal. Page | 15 02/15/23 – Minutes • Comment (Renee) Lots of potential for improvement in lots of places. It is very useful to know what is going on. Thank you for your presentation. 8. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS a. Q (Mistene) – I have a question related to this possibility that the City is going to ask for tax in the fall for budget cap. • A (Jillian) I have that if the Board wants it for the March schedule. • Comment (Mistene) I don’t know what is part of that agenda but it would be great if we could get access to whatever the City Council’s final priorities were for the year, that list of 30 or whatever, so we could see what made the cut list and if there are dollars attached to that and how it relates to that gap they are asking for. • Comment (Renee) They don’t usually put dollars to it when they prioritize. • Comment (Renee) But theoretically there are dollars assigned to them. I mean I guess what I am getting at is from a personal standpoint it would be nice to understand what is being funded and prioritized compared to what they are asking for so we can look at maybe they are asking for things that should be prioritized. • Q (John) So the full budget or just the amendments to the City budget? • A (Mistene) I don’t know how that all gets allocated. I guess what I am asking is a couple of things. Some things I have learned clearly certain in the terms of how our City does budget which you economic developers might understand better but in Colorado, from my understanding and I will get the terminology wrong, but basically even the state does it but you have a general fund and City Council decides how that gets divided out vs in some places you say every year 10% is going to Parks and Recreation and this percent goes here and there. We don’t have that. So, my understanding some of the challenges we are facing with the gaps is that those have been pushed below the priority line because they are not forced to be funded. It appears we are getting a request to fund things that are critically important but then the question is why are they there. Why are we getting incremental requests for this funding vs that getting funded out of the general fund and what is being prioritized instead. That is what I am trying to understand. • Comment (Jillian) I think the presentation will go over it. b. Comment (Denny) I thought the presentation on the annexation proposal/the public hear that Renee was also at was impressive. It was impressive to see all the different jurisdictions. I thought there was good representation from the boards. There were only a couple members of the public there that were also affiliated with boards. I don’t know if you (Renee) wanted to talk on that as well. • Comment (Renee) I thought it was a great opportunity for different board members to meet each other and contribute. There was good collaboration. That was the super issues meeting that took place a few weeks ago. We were all invited. If you ever had the opportunity to join, it is great. 9. STAFF REPORTS Page | 16 02/15/23 – Minutes a. Ashley Kailburn, Senior Specialist in Economic Sustainability introduced herself. She started with the Economic Health department about a month ago and will be covering for Jillian as staff liaison in March. • John asked who all will be missing March to see if they need to cancel but it sounds like they will have quorum. 10. OTHER BUSINESS 11. ADJOURNMENT a. (5:59pm) Minutes approved by a vote of the Board on XX/XX/XX