HomeMy WebLinkAboutNatural Resources Advisory Board - Minutes - 11/19/2014NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2014
DATE: Wednesday, November 19, 2014
LOCATION: 215 N. Mason Conference Room 1-A
TIME: 6:00–8:30pm
For Reference: Joe Piesman, Chair 970-691-6697
Bob Overbeck, Council Liaison 970-988-9337
Susie Gordon, Staff Liaison 970-221-6265
Present:
Joseph Piesman, Chair
Harry Edwards
Robert Mann
Joe Halseth
John Bartholow
Liz Pruessner
Absent:
Alexa Barratt
Rob Cagen
Staff Present:
Susie Gordon, Staff Liaison
Dianne Tjalkens, Admin/Board Support
Susan Strong, Environmental Regulatory Affairs Specialist
Lucinda Smith, Environmental Services Director
Guests:
David Tweedale, citizen
Sarah Coler, citizen/CSU student
Chris Ray, citizen/Troop 96
Call meeting to order: Joe Piesman called the meeting to order at 6:00pm.
Agenda Review: None
Public Comments: None.
Member Comments: None.
Review and Approval of October 15, 2014 minutes
Harry moved and Liz seconded a motion to approve the October 15, 2014 NRAB minutes as presented.
Motion passed unanimously, 6-0-0.
AGENDA ITEM 1—City Stormwater Permit
Susan Strong, Environmental Regulatory Affairs Specialist, discussed the City’s annual application for an
MS4 water quality permit.
Susan described how visiting boards for feedback is one element of the public outreach required for
permitting. The permit lasts for five years, with updates annually; however the last permit has been extended
administratively as it expired in March of 2013. The MS4 permit refers to water that moves through the
stormwater system. Anything washed down the gutter does not go through the wastewater treatment plant,
and therefore must have requirements and monitoring around what goes down the storm drains. The state is
looking at getting more prescriptive in how municipalities implement programs. Programs include public
education and outreach. The WaterSHED program presents at schools and studies macro-invertebrates with
students. Businesses, apartment complexes and property management companies are contacted each year and
provided spill kits and information. This year the program is identifying businesses to educate about pet
waste pollution in the storm drains. There is also a spill cleanup program; citations can be issued to polluters,
and 200 storm drains are marked each year. Staff is required to monitor construction sites for runoff. In 2015
there were 1,700 inspections of construction sites. Post-construction management includes inspection for
maintenance of drainage channels. There are municipal operations that have the potential to affect
stormwater as well, and mitigation strategies in place where spills could occur. Some facilities have been
certified with environmental management systems, which has been helpful. These programs are all required
by the permit.
Regulatory updates include changes to federal definitions and individual site detention. The federal
government has proposed changes to the definition of “waters of the U.S.” A major change is the potential to
include water quality detention ponds, which would then be regulated under the “dredge and fill” regulations.
In 2011 the state engineer’s office circulated a memo allowing urban runoff detention and infiltration for
individual sites. However, our water rights say that water cannot be held for more than 72 hours. In 2013 the
city of Aspen was challenged in taking longer than 72 hours, though it had been previously overlooked. The
UDFCD task force has recommended regional and individual site detention.
The state issued a draft of the MS4 permit in December 2013 and received over 6,000 comments because it
was much more prescriptive than the previous permit. The second draft is yet to be made public. Staff
expects to receive the City’s draft permit in April.
Program challenges include proposed regulatory changes. The state has become stricter on de-watering at
construction sites. New permit requirements include nutrient outreach and pollution prevention. Another
challenge to the Low Impact Development project is that timing is critical. Staff is looking at implementing
grading sediment and erosion control permit fees. They do not currently charge for inspections, which causes
staffing challenges.
Discussion/Q & A:
• Joe Piesman asked if there have been studies around pet waste water pollution. Susan said there have
been many studies regarding bacterial pollution from pets versus wild animals. Pet waste can also
carry viruses and parasites. There are water quality standards for e. coli and some of our streams have
had high seasonal counts, which could lead to increased regulation.
• Joe Piesman said many view this as an aesthetic issue, but the health impacts need more education.
Susan said staff is working on a well-rounded approach.
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• Joe asked if developments pay for maintenance of drainage channels. Susan said yes, it is their
responsibility.
• John said there are grey areas around waters of the U.S., when a detention pond may affect a river.
How far do you go out in the regulatory “tree”? Not all environmental programs agree on this.
• Susie said it used to be “navigable waters.” Susan said this definition was nebulous as well.
• Joe Halseth asked if they are looking at tacking a fee onto an existing development fee. Susan said
this is in the discussion phase and would ask development to pay its way. This change would go
through a public outreach process and be approved by Council.
• John said at one point the City had a philosophy about doing over and above what is required by
regulations. Where do we stand now? Susan said in general we are over and above. She collaborates
with other MS4 communities and has heard that we do more than others, although there is still room
for improvement.
• Joe Piesman said the City is going live with new retention ponds at Arapahoe Bend. When and what
will it accomplish? John said they are for return flows and are not part of the stormwater program. (
Donnie Dustin is the person to speak with.)
• Joe Piesman said the Woodward project is huge. It has potential to cause erosion into the river. What
is being done? Susan said Woodward has a stormwater construction permit. She attended a state
inspection of the site. That inspection went really well. Our inspector also inspects as oversight. Joe
asked when the City is going to start plantings; until then, when there are storms there will be
erosion. Susan said they are required to implement erosion control best practices in the meantime and
are being inspected. The goal is to re-vegetate.
• Susie said what may not be apparent to the public is that any time there is a spill Susan and her team
and Poudre Fire Authority (PFA) respond. Susan added that they have 24-hour on call personnel and
work closely with hazmat. The partnership with PFA has been great. They are the first responders,
and will mitigate the spills to make sure we are protecting resources. Then the City takes over the
cleanup.
• Joe Halseth asked if Woodward got water rights so they could do all this re-vegetation. John said it is
part of the Coy ditch, but that will not go to Woodward anymore. He is unsure where they will get
their untreated water. Joe Halseth said the golf course had ditch rights and that ditch is now gone.
John added that cottonwood trees are coming up in areas that were scoured by the flood, which is
beneficial.
AGENDA ITEM 2— NRAB 2015 Work Plan
Joe Piesman said the board goes through this exercise each year and there are generally no big changes. He
would like to change some phrasing in the descriptive paragraph to align the plan with the seven key
outcome areas. Joe agreed to make all minor/obvious edits. It is clear that our main focus is in the outcome
area of environmental health, with secondary in recreation, and tertiary in transportation. Joe requested
feedback from the board. He noted changes to the boards and committees that NRAB collaborates with.
Discussion/Q & A:
• Liz said the West Nile Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) should have started meeting already.
She gets the sense something else is happening. She was serving on that, but is rotating off this
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board. Greg McMasters is still on the TAC even though he is no longer on the Air Quality Advisory
Board. The panel has been eliminated.
• Joe Halseth said he thinks the committee composition may change to include more experts.
• Joe Piesman said the other focus areas are all still applicable.
• Liz said the section of monitoring progress of the Mason Corridor now includes the Max and getting
more east-west connections.
• John asked if the Trails Master Plan should fall into the transportation category. Joe agreed.
• Joe Piesman suggested changing the whitewater park language to reflect the new Poudre River
Master Plan.
• John mentioned that John Stokes has been getting negative feedback from irrigation companies
regarding the whitewater park, as they are afraid of losing water rights to keep the whitewater park
functioning.
• Bob said Trails Master Plan updates will not come from the Transportation department and is
important enough to stand alone. The board agreed.
• Joe Piesman added the Bicycle Master Plan to the Transportation section. He agreed to revise
according to comments and email to the board for additional input. He suggested referring to this
document in agenda planning.
• John said that prospective members can view this document online.
• Liz added that when the board is reviewed every four years, Council looks at this document. She
mentioned that a mid-year review can be done of the work plan.
• Joe Piesman said local agriculture was a big emphasis in the work plan this year, but we did not
make much movement on it.
• Liz said that the BOB2.0 and DDA are supporting a Marketplace.
• Bob asked to call out the Local Food Cluster in the local agriculture section. He will email his edits
to Joe.
• Joe Piesman said Lucinda told the board the City has requested a report on how to collect baseline
data on fracking. Lucinda said it would not be useful to brief the board until the report is in. Susie
asked if this should be called out in the work plan if the report comes out in 2015. Members agreed to
add this topic.
• Harry added that it is oil and gas related waste product we are really concerned with. The oversight is
from the state and lawsuits requesting oversight by cities have failed.
• Joe Piesman added that in January the board must file an annual report that lists the actions taken by
the board throughout the year. He will send all the memos to Harry to compile the report.
AGENDA ITEM 3— Road to Zero Waste - Resolution
Susie Gordon, Sr. Environmental Planner, briefed the board on a newly adopted resolution that lists a
variety of priorities for City planning and actions to achieve zero waste.
The plastic bag ordinance was repealed, but Council passed a resolution to underscore commitment to the
adopted Road to Zero Waste plan. Many citizens who were against the disposable bag ordinance stated they
are not against zero waste. It represents a significant amount of challenging work ahead. The ordinance
shows that staff will have to work diligently in the next year, and Council approved a .5 FTE in reference to
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the work outlined in the resolution. Section 2A highlights the importance of regional planning. The landfill
has 10 years left on it, which is at the heart of the matter. She, Joe Piesman and Bob Mann met with Lucinda
to discuss regional planning and concluded that holding more community conversations will be a good
approach. Joe Piesman said outreach to other local government entities can be done to request assistance, or
you can do something more dynamic on public outreach to get fun, out-of-the-box ideas that will be more
productive. Bob added that they discussed the wisdom of bringing the consultant Gary Liss back in to help
with prioritizing work, and the steering committee, which had a nice cross section of the business
community. The recycling center is scheduled to be complete by the end of 2016, but the City is not
committed to a site yet. The universal recycling portion will happen with Pay As You Throw ordinance
changes. Lucinda said there is a lot in the resolution and it is great to get resources through the budget
process, and agreed that it is important to prioritize and to engage regional partners. Joe asked Susie to
continue coming before the board for advice and input. He asked the board’s input on the resolution.
Discussion/Q & A:
• John asked who drafted the resolution. Susie said staff drafted it and Council revised.
• Joe Piesman asked about funding. Susie said there was a walk-on item in addition to the .5 FTE and
recycling center. Lucinda added that a study was funded for a regional compost transfer station, as
well money for exploring options for waste-to-energy at the Drake Wastewater Treatment Facility.
• Bob asked if it would be helpful to draft a memo to Council applauding their resolution and
suggesting that prioritization is the next step. Some of what they ask for in the resolution has already
been done.
• Joe Piesman asked Bob to draft the memo and bring it to the December meeting.
• Liz added that right after the bag ordinance was pulled, she went shopping in DC and had to pay five
cents for bags. Her relatives said the ordinance has made a huge difference in the amount of bag litter
in the streets.
• Joe Piesman added that about a dozen other cities have rescinded bag ordinances.
• Harry asked if it is still possible to pursue the issue of recycling shopping bags within staff. The
resolution says Council has adopted a waste diversion policy. It could include a continuing effort.
Susie said staff thinks more collection will be able to be provided in the near future.
• Bob asked for an update on the Larimer County Recycling Center. Susie said the County only
received one response to their RFP for operations of the facility. The result is that Waste
Management, as the only respondent, was selected to continue to be the operator. The proposal they
made to the County means WM will not necessarily be obliged to pay for recycling, depending on
market prices, and may elect in the future to charge to drop off recycling.
• Joe Piesman asked if haulers could come to the city to negotiate.
• Joe Halseth asked if consumers will be hit with the cost.
• Susie said that is a possibility, and we may have an issue with universal recycling.
• Harry asked about how Loveland does this. Susie said the municipality takes care of trash. These are
line items on the utility bill and they charge an additional $7.50 per month for recycling and other
environmental programs.
• Bob said as recycling is increased, if you do pay-as-you-throw, recycling must be subsidized.
• Harry said some things need to be subsidized.
• Joe Piesman asked about quality of single-stream recycling and the impact of glass. Susie said glass
becomes a contaminant in single-stream recycling. The haulers would like to see glass as no longer
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accepted in the single-stream, which would increase the value of the remaining items. After January
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recycled over and over again.
AGENDA ITEM 4— Climate Action Plan
Lucinda Smith, Environmental Services Department Director, reviewed work that has been done to date for
the Climate Action Plan (CAP) update, which is on Council’s agenda for a worksession on December 9.
Lucinda explained that the good news is that the community GHG emissions are still below the 2005
baseline, but the bad news is that emissions are increasing again. In 2011 there was more hydro-electric
power purchased by Platte River Power Authority then there is now. In 2012 and 2013 we have bounced
back from the recession and population has continued to grow. There are lots of challenges and opportunities
are around climate adaptation. The Geos Institute down-scaled the climate models to our region, which found
high likelihood of up to 6 degrees warmer summers by 2040, earlier runoff, changes in snowmelt, etc. Our
electric supply is still predominately coal, so there are risks of cost increases due to carbon taxation. There is
also risk in having a single dominant source. Reports show that addressing climate goals quickly will reduce
costs. RMI’s Stepping Up report shows that it is feasible to adopt 80% reduction by 2050 with current
technologies, with best-in-class adoption. Council elected to advance this goal to 80% GHG reduction by
2030. They requested the development of a Citizen Advisory Committee (CAC) for input as well. RMI,
Brendle Group, and Platte River are all collaborating. Council has looked at the framework and strategies of
the CAP update and will begin looking at scenarios soon. Lucinda showed the business-as-usual and adjusted
forecasts compared to the goals. With adjustment for climate change, fuel efficiency standard changes, and
Platte River’s integrated resource planning there remains a large gap between the goal and forecast. The
CAC is looking at strategies to close that gap. Strategy areas include curbing future emissions growth,
reducing energy use in existing buildings, reducing transportation demand, increasing renewables, reducing
emissions from waste, and community engagement. Strategies for curbing future emissions are to increase
green building requirements for construction and redevelopment, increase mixed use and density in new
development, focus on infill, retrofit streets to serve all modes, reduce off-street parking, etc. Increasing
efficiency in all sectors includes working with upstream vendors, having an integrated utility services model,
retooling ClimateWise, and targeting the biggest users. Fuel efficiency strategies include incentivizing
changes to personal vehicles, aggregating commercial fleet vehicle purchases, and reducing the amount of
driving through transportation apps, bike and car shares, and other tactics. It will be important to work with
large employers to reduce vehicle miles traveled (VMT). One of the biggest needs is expansion of the transit
system. Advancing renewables will include opportunities for increasing rooftop solar and utility scale
renewables in collaboration with Platte River. It will make sense to shift toward electrification of heating as
the electric supply becomes cleaner. There are also opportunities for geothermal, biogas, etc. The final
category is about recognizing the role of engagement and will include Nature in the City, local food systems,
reducing urban heat islands, and carbon offsets. Becoming carbon neutral by 2050 may require carbon
offsets, perhaps in the form of over-generation of renewables, and/or investments into the Poudre River
watershed, which could become a certified carbon credit program. Looking at financing approaches and
engagement are critical areas. There is a range of approaches for financing.
Three public engagement forums are planned, and there will be stakeholder group presentations, and other
public outreach. More information and opportunity to comment is available at fcgov.com/climateprotection.
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Discussion/Q & A:
• Bob asked if there is per capita data on GHG emissions. Lucinda said that information is available,
but not in this presentation. We are making progress in per capita emissions.
• John noted that the slope of the line of increase in GHG over the last three years is greater than the
slope of the population growth on the chart.
• Joe Piesman asked why hydro was such a good year in 2011. Lucinda is unsure.
• Joe Piesman asked if there is data about how much the Max app is being used. Lucinda will find out.
• Joe Piesman asked about the format of the public forums. Lucinda said staff will be working with the
CSU Center for Public Deliberation on the structure.
• John said it is important to include how this affects the public and how they can help in the forums.
Lucinda said scenarios include potential impacts on individuals, businesses, etc. Staff will do their
best to provide this information to the public. There is a lot needed to build community support for a
climate action plan.
• Joe Piesman asked when the CAC reports, in relation to the Council deadline. Lucinda said there are
three more meetings of the CAC. At the next meeting the modelling will be presented, followed by
alternate scenarios. In January the CAC will develop a recommendation on presented scenarios. The
public engagement is planned for after the CAC meeting, and she anticipates what is presented to the
public will be what is recommended by the CAC.
• Harry said the presentation was excellent and thanked Lucinda for presenting to the board. He added
that he hoped Lucinda would give the presentation at the next CAC meeting. Lucinda said the
presentation will be on the model and she is not versed enough in the complexity of the model to
present it, but she will take Harry’s comments into consideration in planning the presentation. Harry
added that the group is very large, with many interested City staff attending in addition to the
committee members.
• Bob said there is a level at which we must get to the bigger picture. Almost all the things
recommended are just good long-term sustainable business planning measures. We have changes in
our energy resources, costs will go up, and we should focus on helping people not get too wrapped
up in what the temperature will be, but what the individual citizen can do to make the changes. They
are going to have to ride the bus. Ultimately they will have to. How are we working on the positivity?
Lucinda said staff could use another year on citizen engagement to help them understand the need
and value and how they can participate. We don’t have the luxury of building the community
partnership yet. At Council we intend to present them with options and timeframes.
• Joe Piesman said in February the Council could adopt a new five-year plan. Lucinda said the plan is
intended to include how to get to the interim goals. However it is a strategic plan, not an
implementation plan.
• Bob said one thing that makes Fort Collins great is that we like to model best practices. RMI’s work
shows technologically we can achieve these goals with community adoption.
• Harry said a critical piece is what Platte River decides to do. Joe Piesman said their deadline for big
changes is 2030. Bob said their goals are not as aggressive as ours. Harry added that our achievement
of our goals is highly dependent on Platte River’s changes.
• Joe Piesman asked if Platte River would be willing to participate. Lucinda said they are not under
any time constraints for their integrated resource plan, but we are sharing information and they are
interested in sharing their initial modelling results with Council. The mayor and Gerry Horak are on
Platte River’s board.
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• Joe Piesman asked if the NRAB will have an opportunity for input. Lucinda said she would like to
present an update at the January meeting.
AGENDA ITEM 5—Other Business
Review City Council’s 6-Month Planning Calendar
• December: Bicycle Master Plan
• January: BOB2.0 Ballot Language
o John noted that sequencing of the projects may be important for the Poudre River.
o Susie added that staff determines sequencing. Susie will ask Ginny if she is planning another
round of presentations.
• January: West Nile
• February: Climate Action Plan
• February: Nature in the City Strategic Plan
• March: Water Supply Reliability and Storage Update
Agenda Planning
• January: Climate Action Plan
Announcements
• Lindsay Ex would like a board member to sit on the Nature in the City committee which meets
quarterly.
o Bob Mann volunteered and John will act as alternate.
• John said he would like to plan an after-meeting celebration for departing members (Joe Piesman and
Liz Pruessner) in December.
Adjournment: Harry moved to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 8:32pm.
Approved by the Board on December 17, 2014
Signed
____________________________________ 12/31/2014
Dianne Tjalkens, Administrative Clerk II Date
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