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December 2, 2004
6:00 p.m.
Council Liaison: Karen Weitkunat Staff Liaison: Cameron Gloss
Chairperson: Mikal Torgerson Phone: (W) 416-7435
Vice Chair: Judy Meyer Phone: (W) 490-2172
Chairperson Torgerson called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Roll Call: Gavaldon, Meyer, Lingle, Carpenter, Craig, Schmidt and Torgerson.
Staff Present: Gloss, Eckman, Wamhoff, Virata, Moore, Wray, Frank, Avrill, Baker,
Shepard, Barkeen, Foreman, Buffington, Smith, Aspen and Deines.
Director of Current Planning Cameron Gloss reviewed the Consent and Discussion
Agendas:
Consent Agenda:
1. Minutes of the October 21, 2004 Planning and Zoning Board Hearing.
(Continued)
2. Resolution PZ04-34 Easement Dedication.
3. #42-04 Poudre School District Kinard Junior High School – Site Plan
Advisory Review.
Discussion Agenda:
4. Recommendation to City Council for Adoption of the Northside
Neighborhoods Plan
5. #43-04 Museo De Las Tres Colonias (Romero House, 425 10th Street) –
Project Development Plan.
6. #20-04A Feather Ridge Reception Center – Project Development Plan.
Director Gloss reported that the Board received a minor revision to the staff report and a
summary of Monday’s site visit on the Feather Ridge Reception Center project.
Member Lingle declared a conflict of interest on the Feather Ridge PDP.
Member Gavaldon moved for approval of the Consent Agenda items 2 and 3.
Member Carpenter seconded the motion. The motion was approved 7-0.
Approved 2/17/05
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Project: Recommendation to City Council for adoption of the
Northside Neighborhoods Plan
Project Description: The Northside Neighborhoods Plan will provide a
more specific vision and policy framework for the
neighborhoods, including surrounding commercial,
industrial and undeveloped open lands. This plan will
also become an element of City Plan, the City’s
Comprehensive Plan, and will help stabilize and
preserve the character of the neighborhoods.
Hearing Testimony, Written Comments and Other Evidence:
Pete Wray, City Planner gave the staff presentation. He stated he would give an
overview presentation of the plan elements and process that staff went through to
develop the Northside Neighborhood Plan. He stated that this plan was initiated last fall
to cover an approximate 12 month planning process, which staff has stayed on tract.
Planner Wray showed contacts of the area. He stated that the study area was in and
around the Vine and Lemay intersection. It would encompass Conifer Street to the
north, the Lemay realignment designation on the east side; Lincoln Avenue on the south
side of the boundary and Linden and Redwood Streets to the west. The plan area
incorporates several existing neighborhoods including Buckingham, Alta Vista,
Andersonville, Via Lopez, and The Meadows north of Vine Drive and part of Evergreen
Park, as well as various vacant lands. About 50% of the study area is under vacant
land ownership and then existing industrial and commercial businesses primarily around
Vine Drive and to the south.
As part of the 12 month planning process, starting last fall, staff conducted an initial
survey and interviews with businesses and residents identifying issues to give staff
direction for the plan. They established a citizen’s advisory group comprised of
representation from area business owners, residents from the neighborhoods
mentioned and property owners within the area. They also had representation from the
Planning and Zoning Board on the committee. There were initially 21 committee
members to help provide input and comments through this process. They met
approximately once a month; they had nine citizen advisory meetings over the last year.
Planner Wray displayed a slide outlining some of the key meetings they had. Initial
public meeting last fall, an open house and picnic in Buckingham Park in July, they just
had a public open house on November 18th and some other individual meetings.
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The Plan is divided into three key sections. Phase one which incorporated the first four
or five months of the planning process. Staff identified conditions and issues in the
area, which gave direction in moving forward with the plan and what they would try to
address in the process and establishing a more specific vision for this area and how that
relates to City Plan and Goals. Phase two, in the middle part of the planning process;
staff developed a framework plan that incorporates land use and transportation patterns
and open lands into a composite map. That was really the key element of the plan
incorporating the up front direction of the Vision and Goals issues and provided the next
step for policy direction, which provided a foundation for implementation. The final
Phase that was completed over the past several months was how we were going to
achieve the plan, developing implementation strategies and action plan for plan
adoption.
Planner Wray showed an overall graphic depicting the main components of the process
and what staff was trying to develop. The framework plan map described in the Land
Use Chapter incorporates the existing development pattern in streets in the area along
with suggestions for change in the area. The land uses described are consistent with
City Plan and the city Structure Plan Map. One area staff is potentially looking at is an
overlay on top of the Industrial land use designation adjacent to the existing
neighborhoods of Buckingham, along Andersonville and below Alta Vista in which a
future action is to develop some design standards to provide a transition or buffer
between the industrial uses and residential neighborhoods. Staff will be pursuing that
over the next year and that would lead to some amendments to the Land Use Code.
In looking at the transportation pattern, staff went through some continuous and some
strong discussions concerning the Vine and Lemay current alignment and the proposed
Master Street Plan realignment of Vine and Lemay adopted by Council. Staff was
asked to look at other options, exploring an alternative to the Master Street Plan which
staff pursued over the summer addressing the Planning and Zoning Board’s request for
additional information. Staff came back in August and September with the findings to
the Transportation Board, Planning and Zoning Board, Citizens Advisory Group and City
Council. With that information and the staff recommendation, Council agreed to give
staff clear direction to not spend anymore time on that analysis and supported the
current Master Street Plan adopted alignment for Vine and Lemay. That is what the
plan shows and recognizes.
What staff did have an opportunity to look at was if and when that project moves
forward and is funded, how will the existing streets look in this area and how will they
connect or not connect in this area. Staff has a recommendation that if Lemay realigns
with a grade separated crossing at the railroad tracks and Vine is realigned to the north
of its current alignment, then we would reclassify and down size Vine and Lemay to a
local street so it would connect up on the new alignment, come down to an intersection
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and it would be terminated before it hits the southern part of the Lemay realignment and
there would be a new connection at Buckingham over to Lemay. Planner Wray
discussed the current street patterns in the area and what the future might look like with
new development.
There are existing parks in the area shown in Alta Vista; there is a small park, Romero
Park in Andersonville and the existing neighborhood sized park in Buckingham. The
next neighborhood park is in Greenbriar and there had been some recent discussions
about trying to provide some improvements to the existing Romero Park.
Phase three was looking at coming up with an action plan and various implementations
strategies to achieve the plan which goes for adoption by Council on January 18th. The
action plan describes coordination between the city and various other departments and
the neighborhoods and businesses. Opportunities to provide updates as needed,
coordination with Neighborhood Resources on ongoing communication, police and code
enforcement, coordination between the city and the neighborhoods, design standards
and coordinating housing programs, funding options and designation of the historic
neighborhoods.
The transportation actions that are identified short term are some interim intersection
improvements to the Vine and Lemay existing intersection. Opportunities to provide
some additional turn lanes to improve the situation there. Staff has identified some
interim sidewalks along the west edge of Lemay from current Vine intersection down to
Lincoln connecting to where the new sidewalks are extending up from Wal-Mart, the
apartments and the new bank at the northeast corner of Lincoln and Lemay. In addition
and interim sidewalk along Lincoln towards Buckingham towards downtown.
Staff also identified the need for an interim traffic signal at Buckingham Street and
Lemay to help improve some of the access concerns into the Andersonville and Via
Lopez neighborhoods as trains cross and traffic backs up. Long term he had talked
about reclassifying the streets with the realignment project and also identifying local
street infrastructure needs, curb, gutter and sidewalks within the existing
neighborhoods.
Some of the key issues staff has been addressing in the plan and that they have heard
recently with the final public and neighborhood meetings include concerns with the
existing Vine and Lemay intersection and those impacts. They have also heard
concerns that if the realignment of Lemay and Vine takes place, the impacts on the
edge of the Via Lopez neighborhood which is in close proximity or adjacent to the grade
separated crossing alignment of Lemay. Staff met with that neighborhood Monday night
and continued to hear their issues and tried to answer some of their questions.
Recognizing those issues in the plan was important. They brought up other issues
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regarding emergency response in those neighborhoods with the realignment. Also, the
need for basic infrastructure within those neighborhoods, curb, gutter, sidewalks,
drainage, lighting and landscaping, and the general lack of pedestrian and bike facilities
in the area. They are also talked about when the existing streets are upgraded to city
urban standards we would be looking at the incorporation of some potential enhanced
detached sidewalks to allow for multi-use access for bike and pedestrians on some of
those streets.
Some of the other issues that have been identified in the plan or recently is the
coordination of the Poudre River and Dry Creek floodplain and how that needs to be
coordinated with local stormwater projects and street improvements. Compatibility
issues between industrial and residential areas, the trail connections and the potential
improvements to the park in the Via Lopez/Andersonville neighborhood and continuing
to coordinate the issue of increased crime and code enforcement activity in the
neighborhoods. Also, ongoing identification of funding sources for the public
improvements that have been identified.
PUBLIC INPUT
None.
Member Craig was interested in the Alta Vista neighborhood and the impacts of the
realignment of Vine Drive north. She asked if the neighbors knew how close it was and
did they talk about buffers or anything in regards to mitigation as far as their
neighborhood goes.
Planner Wray replied that both alignments have been talked about in this process and
staff has shown the concept plans for the Dry Creek Channel Improvements that would
run parallel to the Vine Drive realignment. The green line on the south edge of Vine
Drive is the conceptual illustration of the approximate alignment of the Dry Creek
Channel along with Vine Drive and staff has shown in the plan ideas for looking at
landscaping and buffering between those facilities and the Alta Vista Neighborhood.
There is a cross-section in the plan that looks at incorporation of a potential trail along
the Dry Creek Channel and additional landscaping to buffer that, similar to what we
have in other facilities in the city. The neighbors have been expressing concerns for
several years going back to the truck route and the identification of the Dry Creek
Channel. Staff has also heard concerns about the Lemay alignment and the plan does
describe where the Dry Creek floodplain impacts the area and where the future
improvements are located.
Member Craig asked what the buffer is from the property line from the road that will be
north of Alta Vista.
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Mark Jackson, Transportation Planning replied that it would be the standard four-lane
arterial section which is about 114 feet.
Member Craig asked from that to the edge of the property that would be to the south of
that, what would the distance be.
Planner Wray replied that as he understood it, the Dry Creek Channel’s cross-section is
between 80 and 100 feet. The green line is a general location of those two facilities, but
they have not been engineered by any means. It appears that the channel is right on
the back fence of that neighborhood, but he thinks that there is some additional space
there.
Member Craig asked if he was telling her that where they have aligned north Vine is not
set in stone and if the neighbors do want to come and move it further north it is possible.
Planner Wray replied that the alignments are not engineered yet, just like the Master
Street Plan.
Mr. Jackson also responded that the alignment that is shown on the Master Street Plan
is conceptual in nature, and has not been engineered yet. A lot of the issues that are
being asked about, about the exact nature of the buffer and design standards all
happen during the design phase of the project. When the Master Street Plan was
initially realigned to show the Vine realignment going up north in 1999, the Dry Creek
improvements were intended to be the buffer separation between the arterial roadway
and that neighborhood.
Member Craig stated that part of her concern was she knew it would be awhile before
the road goes in, but as this area develops the city will be looking for right-of-way and in
the process of looking at right-of-way, indirectly it is being established where that road is
going to go. She wanted to make sure that the neighbors in Alta Vista understand that if
the road is going to be an issue to them that it needs to be brought up in this plan so
they can be a part of it and they understand that the road is going to be located next to
their homes. She was looking for awareness on the part of the city.
Mr. Jackson replied that that was a good point and that it was something that they could
acknowledge in the plan, but it is also something that during the design phase, for both
the folks next to the Lemay realignment as well as the Vine realignment, there are
numerous and continuous opportunities to give input, suggestions and voice their
concerns.
Member Craig was just trying to think ahead an as development occurs and we are
putting in the right-of-ways and are asking for easements, that we have given ourselves
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enough space that we are not coming in and mitigating after it is done. She has a
feeling that it will be developed before Vine Drive is put in and she would hate to see us
put up sound walls if we did not think ahead and maybe get the road more specifically
lined up in where we want it.
Mr. Jackson responded that those were all very good comments and in talking with Cam
McNair the city Engineer, one of the things they would like to do in collaboration with
one another is start working our way down the Capital Improvement Projects list on
some of these high priority projects and try and do in house preliminary design work that
starts to get at some of these issues so we can be more proactive.
Member Craig was glad to hear that.
Member Gavaldon asked why were sound walls not being considered.
Mr. Jackson replied that the design phase is when staff starts looking at mitigation, you
would start looking at the exact design as to how it lays out in conjunction with the
neighborhood and then you would look at what your mitigation opportunities are. You
really don’t find sound walls on a facility of this nature, but if we need to we can look at
it. When we get to the design phase and are working to mitigate issues, the whole tool
box will be open.
Member Gavaldon asked if this project was on the BOB list.
Mr. Jackson replied that the Lemay realignment from Lincoln to Conifer is on the BOB
list. It was really important for anyone here and also watching tonight to understand that
the BOB list is not anywhere near finalized, it is not on Council’s recommended list at
this time, but that is just a preliminary step in moving forward. It is on staff’s highly
recommended list, so it is not accurate to say that it is not on the BOB list because the
BOB list is not finalized yet.
Member Gavaldon asked if this does get on the BOB list and the funding package is
defeated again by the voters, does staff have a Plan B.
Mr. Jackson replied that you always have to have a Plan B and look for any
opportunities that you may have. He thought staff should look for any opportunities
where they can collaborate or use development to help pay for those impacts. As this
corridor starts to develop, we are already seeing more interest in redevelopment within
the corridor. He thought staff would look at alternatives in funding packages, whether it
is Improvement Districts of one sort or another.
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Member Meyer asked about the flood mitigation and when would it take place.
Bob Smith, Director of Stormwater Utility replied that as far as the Dry Creek Flood
Control Project goes, it is being designed now and will be under construction next year.
The other piece of it is the work on the Ox Bo property and the work has started and
should be finished next spring.
Member Craig asked how the neighbors responded in looking at an SID.
Planner Wray responded that they have not heard support from the existing
neighborhoods at this time in establishing an SID within this area. We have talked
about the suggestion for a greater potential improvement district in the northeast in the
Mountain Vista area. As far as looking at funding for improvements to the local
infrastructure within the existing neighborhoods, we see that as an ongoing challenge.
Member Craig asked about needing a sidewalk on Lincoln between Lemay and
Buckingham. She remembered that Lincoln was part of the Flagpole that DDA took in
Wal-Mart, so isn’t technically Lincoln part of DDA?
Planner Wray replied that he did not know.
Member Craig stated that the only reason she is bringing this up was because of the
funding mechanism. She is thinking that possibly these neighbors could go to DDA and
say that you thought that it was important enough to connect Wal-Mart to downtown,
now lets put in some infrastructure to really connect Wal-Mart to downtown, would you
help us by putting in a sidewalk.
Planner Wray replied that a variety of funding mechanisms would continue to be looked
at to achieve these projects.
Member Craig stated that she did not see it on staff’s list and asked that it be added to
the list. She thought that it was a strong possibility that it was under DDA and she
thought they should come forward and help with the cost if possible.
Member Craig asked that the Structure Plan map be amended to reflect the green
corridors configured in the sub-area plan.
Director of Advanced Planning Frank replied that was not a problem.
Member Craig also assumed that when the Zoning Map is amended that staff would
either come up with something for the interface or were we just going to work on design
standards.
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Planner Wray replied that the action is identified to achieve these interface areas, staff
has included in the plan some photos and illustrations to capture some of the initial
character of what we are trying to achieve. The next step would be to look at coming up
with some actual language to describe and come up with standards that would lead to
incorporating those into our Land Use Code.
Director Frank added that he thought what would be done is some sort of overlay in the
industrial zoning for that distance back from Lemay Avenue, some special design
standards to apply to that area.
Member Craig asked if it would be more of amending the Land Use Code rather than
changing the zoning.
Member Schmidt thanked staff, she thought that it was a pretty extensive plan and one
that covered a lot of different things and she thought it took a lot of work and staff has
made a real effort to have outreach with neighbors on this. Her only comment, having
served on the North College Renewal Plan committee, was trying to see how some of
these things connect, and she knows that the committee is interested in the Vine
realignment thinking that it is going to help people to get to North College. She would
encourage any kind of consideration that might take a look at making some of these
projects happen. Her frustration with the plan was that there are so many good ideas
and there is no way to pay for any of them. Member Schmidt would like to see us not
rule out the possibility that along the Vine Corridor that if someone comes in with a
proposal that we don’t sound too rigid as far as we are not going to consider anything
else along those areas if it would help create a special district or help financially.
Member Schmidt asked about improvements to Romero Park.
Planner Wray replied that there have been some discussions and there is a general
concern from residents in the Andersonville and Via Lopez neighborhood that the
existing Romero Park is very small and it has really not been used by the children in the
area very much because of that and because of the night time activity that goes on
there. There are suggestions for exploring options for potentially finding additional
space possibly to the south of those neighborhoods.
Member Schmidt asked what happens once these plans are approved.
Planner Wray replied that every time a sub-area plan is finished there is ongoing
implementation in which Advanced Planning is involved in development review on an
ongoing basis and trying to implement the various projects that are identified on the
action plan.
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Member Schmidt asked besides what we have in City Plan is there any ongoing
mechanism that Advanced Planning has that every three years we are going to check
and see what kind of progress has been made, are we achieving our goals with this
plan or if there is any redirection needed.
Director Frank replied that every year staff sends in 0annual work programs, Council
sets their policy agendas every two years that we use as an opportunity to get some of
the high priority action items on that agenda. We are continually looking at all our plans
as to what has not been done.
Planner Wray added that over time these plans need to be updated.
Member Gavaldon moved to recommend to City Council approval of the
Northside Neighborhoods Plan with the recommendation to explore additional
park space for Romero Park west of Andersonville and south of Andersonville.
Also to modify the Structure Plan map as given in the staff report to show the
green corridor as shown on A19 (framework map).
Member Schmidt asked for a friendly amendment to consider zoning possibilities,
should they occur in the areas along the Vine realignment.
Member Gavaldon accepted the amendment.
Member Meyer seconded the motion.
Member Craig asked that the language regarding parks be stronger and that it be
added to the matrix as an action item.
Member Gavaldon and Meyer accepted the amendment.
Member Gavaldon commented that in serving as part of the committee on this item, he
thought the staff and neighbors have done a very good job. He cautioned that this is a
“bubble chart”, things can change. The main concern he has is the Vine realignment
because we do not have the money. His concern is relying on capital improvement
projects and as our track record looks, the previous three transportation projects have
been defeated by the voters. He did not know if the voters are going to change their
minds and approve this one and it is a risk that Vine Drive will even get on BOB. If not,
we are looking outside some people’s lifetimes that this will ever get built. Neighbors
need to recognize that this is not a sure thing and it is not even a sure thing with BOB
unless you talk to your Council Members and really get them to weigh in on it. He
thought that the Vine and Lemay alignment is very expensive and there are higher
needs in the city at this time.
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Chairperson Torgerson was also on the citizen board and he also thought that everyone
involved did a good job, in particular he was pleased by the idea of the interface areas
and design standards for industrial as it interacts with the surrounding neighborhoods.
That is a great idea and encouraged staff to stay on top of that. He remains very
opposed to the Lemay and Vine bypasses, he thought not only are they expensive, but
they disrupt the grid pattern that the city as a whole has. If we continue to bypass
neighborhoods, our city is going to be a loop of spaghetti 100 years from now. He
thought that the neighborhood representatives on the citizen group spoke very strongly
and said that they disagree and he respects that. He would be supporting the plan.
Member Schmidt has a worry, as well as the Via Lopez neighbors do that doing that
kind of bypass is going to increase truck traffic there. She is hoping that with things like
shorter turn lanes or something like that, we can build in some elements that will
discourage truck traffic on that kind of network and keep most of it where it is now. She
thought that by the road design it could make it more inviting for trucks, so she would
like at the time of the road design to have that looked at.
The motion was approved 7- 0.
Project: Museo De Las Tres Colonias (Romero House, 425
10th Street) – Project Development Plan
Recommendation: Approval with Conditions
Hearing Testimony, Written Comments and Other Evidence:
Anne Aspen, City Planner gave the staff presentation. She stated that this property was
located to the north of the Romero Park discussed in the last item. It is at the southwest
corner of 10th and Romero Streets. Both the building and the site were designated as
local historic landmarks in August of 2001. The city accepted the donation of the house
from a private benefactor. This site is in Andersonville and was platted in 1903. In
2003 the project was approved by the Landmark Preservation Commission as a
restoration project. The Poudre Landmark Foundation has been working for three years
to transform the house and property to a house museum. Planner Aspen reviewed
slides of the site.
Ms. Aspen stated that the design objectives for this site are to take the building down
from its current 1,500 s.f. configuration to its 864 s.f. configuration, which would be a
four room adobe house, which was the way it would have appeared in the 1930’s which
is the target time frame they are going for. The adobe will be restored including the
mud plaster. The purpose of this project is to create a house museum which will allow
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the public to understand the local Hispanic culture and history. They are hoping to have
school children and other public members be able to come visit this site. The P & Z
process is required because of the change of use from the house to the house museum.
Ms. Aspen reported that there was a problem with the email transmission of the revised
staff report so she was going to review the changes that were made. There were three
changes; one is on page 5, at the time the Board received the initial staff report, a
meeting had not been held yet to discuss the public improvements and who would be
responsible for those and what they would be. Since then it has been clarified that the
facilities department would pay for the design and construction of an attached 5-foot
wide sidewalk with curb and gutter. The exact design would be determined in final plan
review. This is still a condition of approval merely to acknowledge the complex
public/private collaboration and to establish somewhere in writing what the arrangement
would be. Two is site lighting; in the previous staff report it stated that there would be
no site lighting, but that is not the case, there will be contact sensitive site lighting which
will adhere to Section 3.2.4 Site Lighting of the Land Use Code. Those will be shown
on the landscape plan. There is a condition of approval to make sure that happens.
The third item is the hours of operation; since the writing of the initial report, the hours of
operation have been established. They will be 6 to 10 hours per week, by appointment
only during regular business hours, with occasional evening events no later than 10:00
p.m., very similar to the hours of operation of the Avery House. These limitations are
spelled out in the existing lease with the city and will be reflected as well in the
development agreement for this project.
Ms. Aspen reviewed the conditions of approval as outlined in the final staff report. Ms.
Aspen also referenced two memos that were attached to the staff report; one which
summarizes the notes from the neighborhood meeting that was held on Monday night,
November 30th and one summarizes the outcomes of a coordination meeting with city
staff, the applicants and the owner.
Betty Aragon, 140 2nd Street stated that she was a member of the Amigos Committee
and she has been on that steering committee for three years. She stated that they are
also part of the Poudre Landmark Foundation. Ms. Aragon stated that they have been
working on this project for three years and it has been a lot of work and a lot of red tape.
They have been very careful to make sure they are working in conjunction with the city
in making sure that they meet all the requirements. She has personally canvassed the
neighborhoods asking how people felt about this project and how they feel about this
museum coming into the neighborhood. They have great support for this project. From
what she hears from the community, is that this project is one that is long overdue.
They will be recognizing the contributions of the early Hispanic pioneers.
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There is nothing like this in Fort Collins and they have tremendous support from
businesses, from the larger community that this is going to be a worthwhile project. She
is very passionate about this project and has given her all to this. She thinks that it is
important that we have the opportunity to educate the community at large about
Hispanic culture. She thinks that it will be a great asset to the larger community, but
she really believes that this will be something that the Hispanic community will be
extremely proud of. This is not an ordinary museum and they are putting a lot of work
into to it, to make sure that it has a very professional outcome, so it is not an ordinary
house. She is on the committee for the oral histories and they have done about six of
them already. The stories are amazing and they have pictures to go with it. They are
excited for this to become a video and part of the museum and part of the community
that will be able to view this. This will be very educational for everyone. She hoped that
the Board would approve the project so they can move on.
Katherine Woods, 315 South Sherwood Street stated that she has also been on the
steering committee for the last three years. She stated that they are volunteers and did
not know this was a step in the process. When she was writing the grant request for
over $200,000 from the Colorado State Historical Fund, she did not know that she
should put in money for Facilities to be helping them and should do something with
Planning and Zoning. She thought that this was an amazing project and there are a lot
of people that have it as a passion. Raising money has been pretty incredible. The
number of businesses and public funding that have been interested in stepping up to
the plate have been amazing. She thought there were more resources out there if they
were to try and get a community facility in the park next store. She thought that there
was money for that, but she also thought that since the city is so tied up with not having
funds, that there may be a way, as a non-profit that they can help find and leverage
more improvements for the neighborhood. It does not feel good putting the only
sidewalk in an older house in the neighborhood. They have raised over $300,000 for
this project. She wanted to thank the various city departments and staff for working
closely with them and helping them understand the process.
Ms. Woods stated that they would not be able to specifically answer questions about
landscape because they have to go through the archeological reviews as they tear
things off of the house. They don’t know at this point, which trees were there before
and which weren’t. They will provide a set of guidelines for what they will look at for
doing the landscaping and it has to also be approved by the State Historical Fund and
what they archeologist tells them about it.
PUBLIC INPUT
None.
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Member Gavaldon felt that this was a very hurry up and get it done project and he
asked if this was a typical project like a private developer, or city project are we being
consistent with the process in following all the steps before it comes to the Planning and
Zoning Board.
Planner Aspen replied that if this was a typical development project, we would have had
a little more time to review it internally before bringing it to the Board. However, there
are enough factors about this project that are not typical, especially the historic property
part of it and the public and private collaboration; and the fact that it is not really a
“development” it is more of an “un-development” taking this building back to the original
adobe structure. The landscape, for example, is being taken back to the 1930’s state
and context. This building defined the context for the neighborhood, and it was one of
the buildings that was originally placed on this subdivision. In a sense, this building
does not have a lot of the components of a typical development. The things that are
outstanding are going to require a review as is typical during final plan review, but no
obstacles are foreseen as far as city requirements.
Member Gavaldon asked if an individual wanted to do a private development similar to
this museum, would they be given the same expedited review that we are going through
today.
Director Gloss replied that if it was as straight forward as this application and we had
the schedule available to bring the item before the Board, he would say that we could
do it in the same time frame.
Member Gavaldon asked if we setting any precedent that will come and bite us down
the road for any development project.
Planner Aspen replied no, in fact the meeting on public improvements focused on just
that. We want to make sure that this project – there are a complicated set of issues
around the public improvements, namely the sidewalk, curb and gutter. Staff made a
difficult decision to go ahead and put the sidewalks in despite some misunderstandings
about that from the neighborhood, precisely because we don’t want to set an improper
precedent for other development or create an image that there is preferential treatment
for a city project. This project will have its sidewalks and it will be publicly accessible.
Member Gavaldon reported from the neighborhood meeting minutes that the museum
would not be opening until 2006. Since that is almost a year away, could they still be
doing things and still follow the normal process in getting all the details in that normally
a project would have and still meet the 2006 opening time table.
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Planner Aspen replied that her understanding was that they have been seeking their
building permit so they are able to go ahead with the demolition of the additional parts of
the building that post date the 1930’s time frame that they are going for, so they can
begin to do the adobe plaster work, repair the adobe and repair and replace the adobe
mud plaster and do it in a manner that they can control the weather conditions for when
they expose that.
Chris Cosilo, Construction Advisor to the Landmark Foundation stated that he was also
the historic structure assessment on this property. If the Board would work from the
opening date back, in terms of the abatement, which has already been done and paid
for by the grant; the amount of the demolition work, the onsite archeological monitoring,
the timing of the adobe work, the necessary interior work, and the museum work ends
up being a fairly tight schedule as it is.
Member Gavaldon asked what the city’s share of contribution to this project was.
Planner Aspen replied that the city would be responsible for the design and construction
of the sidewalk improvements. The city also accepted the donation of the city property,
so they are the official owner of the property. Ms. Aspen replied a ball park figure would
be about $20,000.
Karen McWilliams, Historic Preservation Department reported to the Board that the
Romero House project was brought before the Preservation Commission about three
weeks ago. At that time the Commission looked at their plans and supported their
interest in doing an attached sidewalk, as small and narrow as possible and as
unobtrusive as possible. The idea being that indeed sidewalks are going to be needed
for this type of project, where you are going to have the public coming to a public facility.
At the same time, sidewalks were not a part of the historic property, so they are going to
be a modern improvement and we don’t want to try and pretend that they were
something that was historic and original to the site. At the same time we don’t want to
make them massive large landscaped strips. They are just going for as minimal as
possible that will still meet the needs of the public and the development process.
Member Lingle asked Ms. McWilliams if she was comfortable with the compromises that
were made.
Ms. McWilliams replied she was.
Member Craig asked Planner Aspen to clarify the site lighting, “context sensitive” site
lighting.
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Planner Aspen replied that the site lighting for this property, since there is not a parking
lot on the site will consist primarily of building perimeter lighting, one foot candle per
light to cover the area around the building. The applicant stated that they wanted to do
that lighting as required in a manner that is very sensitive to the neighboring residential
properties and the historic nature of the building.
Member Craig thought that in the recommendation that it should state the “owner”
instead of “applicant”. That would remind everyone that the city is the owner and it is
the city’s obligation to put this in.
Member Gavaldon moved for approval for the Museo de las Tres Colonias, home
of John B. and Inez Romero, Romero House, 425 10th Street, #43-04 with the
following conditions. The condition should read City of Fort Collins/Owner in the
first bullet under conditions of approval, in addition, bullets two and three.
Member Schmidt seconded the motion.
Member Meyer commented that she realizes that volunteers worked on this. She still
has a problem with it showing up and flying through. She asked when the city inherits a
museum, there are costs involved, and nobody has mentioned who would maintain and
manage the property. She thinks that the $20,000 is just the beginning. She thought
that there will be expenses there that we don’t know about.
Member Carpenter thanked the Poudre Landmark Foundation for all their hard work on
this she thought that this was a really good project.
Member Gavaldon would be supporting the project but has reservations. He thought
that even historical and non-profit needs to follow the rules too.
The motion was approved 7-0.
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Project: Feather Ridge Reception Center – Project
Development Plan, #20-04A
Project Description: Request for a Small Scale Reception Center located
at 4104 Ziegler Road. The proposal includes using
the existing house as a reception center and the
addition of a new 7,500s.f. new facility east of the
existing house. The property is located east of
Ziegler Road and north of the Hewlett-Packard and
Agilent campus and southeast of the Woodland Park
Estates subdivision. The property contains 15.46
acres and is zoned UE, Urban Estate.
Hearing Testimony, Written Comments and Other Evidence:
This project was appealed to City Council and a verbatim transcript is attached.
Other Business:
There was none.
The meeting was adjourned at 11:45 p.m.