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HomeMy WebLinkAboutLandmark Preservation Commission - Minutes - 09/03/1986LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION Minutes of September 3, 1986 The meeting was called to order at approximately 5:33 p.m. Those members present included: Dick Beardmore, Carol Tunner, Holly Richter, Jennifer Carpenter and Michael Ehler. Staff was represented by Sherry Albertson - Clark and Barbara Hendrickson. Ms. Clark began the meeting by introducing Susan Kirkpatrick, who is the City Council liaison for the LPC. Ms. Kirkpatrick expressed her interest in the work of the LPC in seeing first hand the review done by the Commission. Mr. Ehler listed the Agenda Review of Current Applications. The first item was Old Town Guns. Ms. Clark gave the background on this item which had been tabled from August due to lack of applicant information. She stated the Khaddafy poster had been removed from the front window and noted the security system has been added to the application. She added that the open/closed sign on the door is considered temporary and the grill was added after the applicant moved into the premises. Mr. Ehler stated he and Ms. Tunner had reviewed the site and had concerns about the eagle over the door and if the applicant had placed it there. Mr. Ehler called the next item, Old Town Square. Ms. Clark stated she would like to see more detail on the locations of the suite numbers. She said the die cut numbers would be on the windows and not on the building itself. Mr. Ehler asked if the Poudre Fire Authority had reviewed this and found it acceptable. Ms. Clark replied that the Fire Authority has recommended a suite numbering system to identify each suite. The numbers would be placed on the entrance of each building except suite #5. Ms. Tunner asked if the word "suite" is to be included with the numbers. Ms. Clark thought it was the number only. She stated that unoccupied suites would also be numbered and if the suites are combined, only one num- ber would be used. Mr. Ehler called the next item, Haddan's Flower Gallery. Ms. Clark gave a description of the various colors in the signage and stated the applicant would use the colors of his logo. Ms. Tunner asked if the applicant was going to match the turquoise. Ms. Clark was not sure of the exact color locations. LPC Minutes September 3, 198� • Page 2 Ms. Carpenter asked if the awning would be orange and green. Mr. Beardmore replied yes. Mr. Ehler felt the bright colors were needed to mark the entrance. Ms. Clark stated the Commission needed clarification on the color loca- tions. Mr. Ehler called the next item, Jon's Natural Breads. Ms. Clark produced the sign design and color examples. She stated the applicant needed to specify location of color. Ms. Richter asked about the soldier courser. Ms. Carpenter felt window signage might be more appropriate, depending on the actual use of the loading zone. Mr. Ehler felt the Commission should be concerned about how the sign is affixed to the building. Mr. Ehler called the next item, Chow's Garden. Ms. Clark stated the sign is to advertise the buffet and said the signs would be placed on the north wall of the Town Pump and south wall of Trimble Court. Mr. Beardmore felt gold would be more keyed in to the current colors for Chow's Garden. Ms. Tunner noted the lettering is different than the sign over the door and felt the logo should be consistent, as it more identifiable. Mr. Ehler wondered if consistency with signage is part of the Commission's review. With no further input, Agenda Review was closed. DISCUSSION AGENDA Hermie Lapoint, representing Old Town Square, gave a brief description of the lettering. Mr. Ehler asked if the word "suite" is included in the signage. Ms. Lapoint replied yes. She stated "suite" is added to make sure customers know it is the suite and not a street address a might be the case with businesses on Walnut Street. She said she would be using 3" letters and the word "Suite" would be in capital letters. LPC Minutes September 3, 1986• • Page 3 Mr. Beardmore moved to approve the application. Ms. Tunner seconded. Motion to approve passed 5-0. Brian Oliver, representing Jon's Natural Breads, responded to the questions in Review Agenda regarding the sign. He stated the wall is 48" and the sign would be 42", making roughly a 3" border around the sign. Ms. Clark asked him to specify the colorings. Mr. Oliver gave a brief description using the color examples. Mr. Ehler asked if the brick work would be exposed. Mr. Oliver stated it was not their intention to expose the brickwork, but to leave the 3" revealed to give a "framed" look. The purpose was to give the highest visibility possible. Mr. Ehler asked if the store is to be a retail outlet and if the bread is to be baked at this location. - Mr. Oliver said although the intent is unclear, he felt retail was not the main intent of the store and had no definite answer as to whether the bak- ing was done the premises, except that the Fire Dept, had been at the site to check the wiring, indicating possible use of large appliances. Mr. Ehler asked if more traffic is anticipated in that loading zone and how the sign is to be attached to the brick wall. Mr. Oliver said they do anticipate more traffic and the sign would be attached by lead anchors. Mr. Beardmore questioned the accuracy of the scale as he thought the wall was higher than it was wide. He asked Ms. Clark if the original approval drawing was available to review with this application. He felt the soldier courses would be revealed if the scale were different. Mr. Oliver said there was no problem revealing the soldier courses. Mr. Ehler asked about framing the sign out. Mr. Beardmore said it was simple 2" X 2" mold, as the trim in chocolate brown is very compatible with the rest of the sign. Ms. Richter asked how the darkest brown relates to the brick trim. Mr. Oliver was not sure and stated he could supply a chip as an example. He felt the trim could be matched to the coloring of the brick. He stated he was just trying to keep the flavor of the neighborhood and maintain the "bready" looking colors. He also felt that a 2"X 2" frame wouldn't be that difficult. Ms. Tunner said the frame would echo the windows, which are recessed. LPC Minutes . September 3, 1986• Page 4 Ms. Richter asked if the panel on the doors is close in color to the wheat color. Mr. Oliver stated that the photo was not an exact coloring. He reviewed the letter coloring: "Jon's" would be milk chocolate; the outline would be the darker brown color; "Natural" and "Bread" would also be the darker color. The wheat drawings would be the wheat color. Ms. Clark had retrieved the original plan with dimensions and gave them to Mr. Beardmore to review and compare scale. Mr. Beardmore stated the wall is four feet wide and the height is 11'10". The Commission discussed the soldier courses in relation to the wall and sign. Mr. Oliver pointed out the picture and the delivery truck which is in the picture and the need to keep the sign as visible as possible. Ms. Carpenter thought it looked better centered between the soldier courses and asked how far down it brings it. Mr. Beardmore stated it brings it in line with the transom. Ms. Tunner stated the delivery trucks would be looking for the sign and needs to remain high. Mr. Beardmore moved for approval of the application with the following conditions; that the sign be trimmed out to 42" by 42" dimensions and painted to match the trim on the building; and the centerline of the sign be located on the dimensions between the soldier courses. Ms. Carpenter seconded the motion. Mr. Ehler wished to clarify the matching trim. Mr. Beardmore stated it was the trim on the perimeter. Ms. Richter asked for a friendly amendment dealing with the method of attachment. Mr. Beardmore added mounting would be done with lead anchors in the grout joints versus through the wood. Motion to approve passed 5-0. Joe Clingan, applicant for Old Town Guns, apologized for not being at the last meeting. Mr. Beardmore asked about the security system and whether the tape around the window and if the bars were added after he took up residency. Mr. Clingan answered yes, both the bars, which are from the Larimer County Jail, and the tape were added after he moved in there. He stated with the nature of his business, he felt these were necessary additions. Ms. Clark stated she would add that to the application and that would be covered by the application and be a reference to any future changes in the signage. Mr. Ehler asked if the eagle above the door was placed there by him. LPC Minutes September 3, 1986• • Page 5 Mr. Clingan stated the eagle was there before he moved in and that he would remove it if the Commission desired him to do so. Ms. Tunner moved to approve the application. Mr. Beardmore seconded the motion. Motion to approve passed 5-0. Steve Haddan, applicant for Haddan's Flower Gallery gave a brief descrip- tion of the signage. He corrected the medium blue coloring for the Commis- sion. Mr. Ehler asked how the band aligns with J. Pitner's signage. Mr. Haddan said it matches exactly. Mr. Beardmore asked the size lettering over the transom. Mr. Haddan stated it would be the same size but would be slightly slanted versus being horizontal. He stated the lettering was between 4-6". Mr. Beardmore motioned to approve with the conditions that he produce a color chip and clarification of letter size. Ms. Richter seconded the motion. Motion to approve application passed 5-0. Hermie Lapoint, representing Chow's Garden, addressed the Commission's concern regarding replicating the color scheme and design already used by Mr. Chow. She doesn't feel there is a problem with retaining the current ones, and stated the white color is more eye catching against the brick. Mr. Ehler asked if the sign which had been in Trimble Court had white in it also. Ms. Lapoint felt it was similar to that one. Ms. Tunner felt to use the same sign/colors would keep consistency and rec- ognition. Mr. Beardmore felt the red contrasted nicely with the brick. Ms. Tunner thought the sign is totally different in both coloring and the sign lettering than what is used currently. She felt it was more like the sign for a totally different store. Mr. Beardmore felt the sign should be framed out, using a simple band like the sign is or a 2" X 2" trim around it. Ms. Lapoint clarified the suggestions made by the Commission: background is red with gold letters highlighted in black and inside frame is gold. There would be a gold frame around it with a drop shadow with a black band. Mr. Ehler asked if the logo dimensions needed to be defined. Ms. Carpenter asked if this sign was to replace the ones in the restaurant window advertising the buffet. LPC Minutes September 3, 1986• • Page 6 Ms. Lapoint stated she is working with the applicant in setting up a sand- wich type sign in the Broffey space, rather than in the window. Ms. Tunner suggested a glass case displaying the menus, buffet and other information. Ms. Lapoint stated she would work with Mr. Chow and give him the Commis- sion's suggestions. Ms. Carpenter moved to approve the application with the changes in color to red background with the letters in gold, outlined in black and a 2" X 2" molding in black on the outside perimeter. Change the corners of the sign to be more octagon in shape rather than the scalloped. Mr. Beardmore sec- onded the motion with a friendly amendment that the sign be attached with lead anchors. Motion to approve the application passed 5-0. OTHER BUSINESS Mr. Beardmore asked that they be more specific for the record with 236 Lin- den project and an example was instead of saying the mortar is "badly damaged", say it is poor quality. Ms. Tunner stated that on page #3, the description "glass lights" should be corrected to read mullions. She also pointed out on that page and ques- tioned the use of "edition" and felt "addition" should be used instead. The Commission decided the word "change" would be acceptable. Ms. Clark stated the by-laws have changed with the addition of Ms. Carpen- ter as the Commission's seventh member so she would like to provide copies of the by-laws for the Commission's review. She said that at the Colorado Incorporated Conference in Boulder there was interest expressed in Fort Collins hosting a work shop for people who participate on Landmark Commis- sions and Historic District Commissions. When looking at the other pro- grams, Ms. Clark said Fort Collins is ahead in terms of design review. She stated the Planning Director gave his approval and would like some Commis- sion members and Cultural Resources Members to volunteer to put together ideas for the one day event. She would prefer the event to be held in Old Town, where many of the case reviews have been and put together critical ideas used in design review. Mr. Beardmore and Ms. Richter volunteered to assist in the scheduling of events. Ms. Clark felt a Saturday at the end of October would be a good time. She would like to invite Front Range Members and possibly those on the Western Slope. She said she would check the events during that month and contact the state Historic Preservation Office to get the mailing for the 15-20 different groups. She felt the only real cost would be the luncheon and any information packets. She stated the City's legal staff would be Paul Eckman and his input could possibly be included in the events. LPC Minutes September 3, 1986• Page 7 Ms. Tunner pointed out that if the workshop were held before October 31st, the Members could ride the Trolley. She also volunteered to assist in the workshop. Councilperson Kirkpatrick volunteered her time to assist in the workshop. Ms. Clark said she would be presenting the Historic Preservation work pro- gram and strategy for the next two years. She said that in the attempt to reduce violations she has thought of a number of ways to reach property owners, tenants and the general public. She felt a news letter would be appropriate because the property owner cannot be depended upon to relay the information to the tenant. In June or July, the Commission had 12 viola- tions in one month. The newsletter would be a informal letter and would possibly highlight a current project and a trivia column. Mr. Ehler asked if they would work with the Fort Town group. Ms. Clark stated the Downtown Flyer is well read and could either be part of it or just be a quarterly newsletter. The Commission will discuss ideas to reach the public in the near future. Councilperson Kirkpatrick thanked the Commission for the opportunity to see how the review process worked. She expressed surprise at the detail given each application and remarked that the work the Commission does is reflected in the beauty of downtown. With no other business, the meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m.