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Regular Meeting
June 26, 2002 Minutes
Council Liaison: Eric Hamrick (226-4824)
Staff Liaison: Joe Frank (221-6376)
Commission Chairperson: Per Hogestad (416-7285)
Summary: The LPC moved to recommend approval of landmark designation for the
1924 American-LaFrance pumping fire; favorably heard a conceptual review of play
structures in the Old Town Plaza; approved the final door and window details for the
First Baptist Church at 328 Remington; and approved the conceptual and final review
of the fagade and roof rehabilitation at 226 Pine Street, the historic Asmus Sign shop.
The LPC also moved to approve interior mounted air conditioning units for the
Northern Hotel.
CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL: Per Hogestad called the meeting to order at
5:35 p.m., at 281 N. College Avenue. Commission members Angie Aguilera, Agnes
Dix, Bud Frick, Per Hogestad and Myrne Watrous were present. Janet Ore and Carole
Stansfield were absent. Carol Tunner and Karen McWilliams represented staff.
GUESTS: Lee and Ann Swanson, owners of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream Shop, # 1 Old
Town Square, suite 104; Ed Yonker, former Fire Chief, and John Mulligan, current Fire
Chief, for the fire engine designation; Mark Thorburn, University Designers and
Builders, for 328 Remington, First Baptist Church and 226 Pine Street, historic Asmus
Sign shop; Gina Roe, Executive Director of Funding Partners for Housing Solutions, for
Northern Hotel.
AGENDA REVIEW: Additions to Agenda -- two items included under Current Review;
one for 226 Pine and another for Northern Hotel air conditioners.
STAFF REPORTS: Ms. Tunner had four items to report:
1) Rocky Mt. Chocolate Factory is moving into the Northern Hotel, into the space to the
south of Starbucks. There will be an exhaust hood down into the basement, over to
Walnut St. and then through a concrete foundation wall, exiting in the stairwell. The
9-inch exhaust hood will go under the grate in the stairwell. Approvals for this will be
managed administratively. Mr. Hogestad urged Ms. Tunner to be careful of the
positioning of the vent, to make sure it doesn't damage any historic fabric.
2) The City is seeking applicants for an advisory committee for the City Plan Update
project.
3) The owners of 321 E. Garfield would like to remove a small garden shed and put in a
24x14 ToughShed garage. Staff believes only the house itself was intended to be
designated.
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4) The new owners of 700 Remington now have a hair salon there. They thought they
didn't need a handicapped bathroom and ramp, since it was a historic building. They
have learned that they do need handicapped access to the building. They will see if
they can provide ADA service in the rear barn.
Ms. McWilliams passed around a letter from the City Manager and Historic Fort Collins
Development Corporation regarding the Harmony Gas Station. The costs of relocating
and fixing up the store will be prohibitive, and will not be available from the City. The
store will be put up for bid on July 9.
COMMISSION MEMBERS' REPORTS: Mr. Frick said that he and Dick Beardmore
have recently gone to view the Strang cabin in order to determine the extent of the fire
damage and what to recommend for this property. The cabin will require reconstruction
but there is enough evidence to determine that it can be reconstructed. The
outbuildings include loafing sheds, grainbins, garage, and a board and batten shed to
the south. Mr. Beardmore suggested that they apply for a Historic Structural
Assessment grant and do a feasibility study that can be used for pricing. He suggests
that the City should try to salvage everything that is there, including the wattle and daub
additions that wrap around to the north, and the log structure. The logs can possibly be
scraped and restored.
DESIGNATION: Local Landmark Designation of the Poudre Fire Authority's 1924
American-LaFrance Pumping Fire Engine. (Ed Yonker, and John Mulligan.)
This engine was purchased by the City of Ft. Collins in 1924 and was the fire
department's first pumping fire. engine. Modern fire equipment was necessary to
support Ft. Collins, which had experienced tremendous residential and commercial
growth in the early 201h century. In response to a recommendation by the Fire
Insurance Underwriters to purchase an engine with a pump, the City ordered the 1924
American-LaFrance Pumping Engine. A combination pumping fire engine, chemical
engine and hose truck, the American-LaFrance Engine included the latest in quality
technology for heavy duty fire engines and was built to withstand years of service. This
pump engine succeeded the previous equipment, which consisted of a 1915 motor
vehicle hose wagon equipped with a forty gallon chemical tank, and a reserve horse-
drawn hose wagon for which no horses were readily available. The engine, owned by
the Poudre Valley Fire Authority, meets the City of Ft. Collins landmark criteria due to is
association with a significant pattern or trend, namely, the development of the Ft. Collins
Fire Department. Additionally, it was the City's first pumping fire engine and symbolizes
the transition of the Fire Department from a limited fire brigade to an established
municipal fire department. This truck is also an important example of automotive and
fire apparatus technology of the 201h century. The American-LaFrance Pumping fire
engine has served the City of Ft. Collins for seventy-eight years and lives in the
memories of many citizens.
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Mr. Yonker and Mr. Mulligan described the fire engine and agreed that we are fortunate
to have a piece of the original fire equipment, and it is well worth the time and effort
needed to restore it and keep it for the future of Ft. Collins. It represented a revolution
of technology at the time, with its 750 gal/min pump. Prior to that the firefighters would
stretch a hose and hope that there was enough water pressure to get water out of the
end of the hose. Current fire engines may have 1000 gal/minute, so there has not been
that much of a change since then.
Ms. Dix asked what a chemical engine and chemical hose are. She was told that before
getting this fire engine, they had a 40-gallon tank filled with soda water. When they got
to the fire, they would dump in the soda to increase the pressure, and then they'd have
40 gallons of water with which to fight the fire.
Ms. Watrous asked about the difference between this truck and the other truck that has
been preserved. The other truck, the Diamond T, is a ladder truck, and has been
designated already. The other truck is owned by the museum, and is reviewed under
museum standards. This truck is owned by the fire department and all issues regarding
restoration of this fire engine will come before the LPC. This one is in much better
shape that the Diamond T was. It runs and works. It is currently white, but will be taken
back to the original red color.
Public input: Mr. Steiner, Interim Director of the DDA, said that this is a great idea, and
the fire engine should be displayed downtown.
Motion: Ms. Dix moved that the LPC accept for landmark designation the 1924
American-LaFrance Fire Engine. Seconded by Ms. Watrous and approved
unanimously, 5-0.
CURRENT REVIEW:
1) 328 Remington, First Baptist Church, Final details for the rehabilitation of
the Church Doors. (Mark Thorburn)
On March 27, the LPC gave approval to rehabilitate the exterior of the 1903-4 church
building at 328 Remington Street. Undecided items included the repair or replacement
of the doors, and material to be used to re -roof the towers. Further information has
become available on the doors. After removing one of the southwest corner doors to
see how they were constructed and to ascertain their condition, the contractor provided
a letter to the LPC explaining that he proposes to replace the doors rather than repair
them. Also, because the stained glass windows were in worse shape than anticipated,
the decision has been made to not work on the stained glass transoms over the doors,
which are in better shape. A letter from Mark Thorbum, University Designers and
Builders, was read which described the difficulties they faced with the existing historic
fabric, and outlined their proposed solutions.
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Mr. Yonker and Mr. Mulligan described the fire engine and agreed that we are fortunate
to have a piece of the original fire equipment, and it is well worth the time and effort
needed to restore it and keep it for the future of Ft. Collins. It represented a revolution
of technology at the time, with its 750 gal/min pump. Prior to that the firefighters would
stretch a hose and hope that there was enough water pressure to get water out of the
end of the hose. Current fire engines may have 1000 gal/minute, so there has not been
that much of a change since then.
Ms. Dix asked what a chemical engine and chemical hose are. She was told that before
getting this fire engine, they had a 40-gallon tank filled with soda water. When they got
to the fire, they would dump in the soda to increase the pressure, and then they'd have
40 gallons of water with which to fight the fire.
Ms. Watrous asked about the difference between this truck and the other truck that has
been preserved. The other truck, the Diamond T, is a laddar truck, and has been
designated already. The other truck is owned by the museum, and is reviewed under
museum standards. This truck is owned by the fire department and all issues regarding
restoration of this fire engine will come before the LPC. This one is in much better
shape that the Diamond T was. It runs and works. It is currently white, but will be taken
back to the original red color.
Public input: Mr. Steiner, Interim Director of the DDA, said that this is a great idea, and
the fire engine should be displayed downtown.
Motion: Ms. Dix moved that the LPC accept for landmark designation th
American-LaFrance Fire Engine. Seconded by Ms. Watrous and approved
unanimously, 5-0.
CURRENT REVIEW:
1) 328 Remington, First Baptist Church, Final details for the rehabilitation of
the Church Doors. (Mark Thorbum)
On March 27, the LPC gave approval to rehabilitate the exterior of the 1903-4 church
building at 328 Remington Street. Undecided items included the repair or replacement
of the doors, and material to be used to re -roof the towers. Further information has
become available on the doors. After removing one of the southwest corner doors to
see how they were constructed and to ascertain their condition, the contractor provided
a letter to the LPC explaining that he proposes to replace the doors rather than repair
them. Also, because the stained glass windows were in worse shape than anticipated,
the decision has been made to not work on the stained glass transoms over the doors,
which are in better shape. A letter from Mark Thorburn, University Designers and
Builders, was read which described the difficulties they faced with the existing historic
fabric, and outlined their proposed solutions.
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A picture was handed around showing two sets of double doors and some single doors.
The single door shown was probably the original door. The door construction does not
allow for any strength at the corners. They are made with exterior skins attached to the
interior of the doors. The church would like to refinish the SW comer doors with
varnish. There are presently knobs on both of the doors that are not functional. They
plan to clean them all up and put a panic bar on the active leaf of each of the pairs of
doors. The round bar, bronze in color, has a pivot on one side and the strike device on
the other. The astragal is on the inside of the inactive leaf. The exterior skins of the
four entry doors will be replaced with new CVG and mixed grain fir. They can pull the
interior skin nails out and salvage the portion that is long enough, and glue it up so they
have an 1 3/4 inches, and then will insert the reproduction panel during the assembly
process. When they are done they will look just like the original doors but will work
better.
There was a lot more broken glass than was anticipated. Many pieces were broken
along the caming and the breaks were not visible until the restoration was in progress.
Regarding the art glass restoration, all needed reproduction glass was taken from the
east window and placed in the west window on site. They found that there isn't one
tracery profile that is the same, but they are all a little bit different. The work on the west
window is finished and the window is beautiful. The east window is about 99%
complete. They are still missing one color of reproduction glass. The East window is
about 60% original glass. The rose window wood has been repaired and they are
waiting for the rest of the colors. They will perhaps be done by the middle of July. All
the windows have been painted and cleaned.
Motion: Ms. Aguilera moved that the LPC approve the final details for the church
doors at 328 Remington, the First Baptist Church. Seconded by Ms. Dix, and
approved unanimously, 4-0. (Mr. Hogestad had to meet with staff during this
discussion, and did not participate in the decision.)
2) Old Town Plaza, Conceptual Review of Children's Playground. (Lee and
Ann Swanson, owner of Ben and Jerry's, and Chip Steiner, Interim Director of
the DDA)
Mr. Hogestad returned to the meeting.
The DDA would like to install a children's playground in the center of the Old Town
Plaza. They feel that they would like to provide more amenities to attract families and
family activities. It would be located east of Sangria Rose (Building 23), and replace a
planter that contains a Peace Pole and a dead tree. The DDA authorized the
expenditure of $1500 for design work, but they don't want to spend the money without
some direction from the LPC.
Mr. Swanson has been working on this project for a year and a half. He does not think
of the proposed area as a playground, which he considers to belong in a schoolyard.
This is actually an interactive sculpture, like some of the sculptures that are now in the
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downtown area, but there will be no signs on it that say "keep off." All the merchants in
eyeshot have pledged to donate some money to the project. Some pictures were
handed out of other interactive sculptures, located in Boulder. The Ft. Collins
sculptures would be on a rubber base, and in the form of animals. They are made of
concrete reinforced fiberglass with a polymer coating. These can be repaired much
more easily than bronze sculptures. The designer is well versed with all safety needs
regarding this project. At this point, the business owners only need to send a check to
the artist, who will then design the sculptures and send a rendering of the design to the
business owners. There will be either two or three structures depending on size. There
must be enough space for an ambulance to get between Sangria Rose and the planter.
The benches will stay, the tree is dead, and the peace pole can be moved. There is
electricity going to that area, and those lines will stay. The bright light that is currently
located at the area will illuminate the playground. If, in two or three years, it is apparent
that there are problems with the design, the play area can be removed and the brick
planter replaced. If the idea is approved, a model will be brought back before the LPC
for approval.
Mr. Frick expressed his concern that the structures be low enough that they not impact
the view of the historic buildings. He was told that the structures would probably be no
more than 40 inches tall.
Ms. Watrous said she is still wondering about the Disneyfication of Old Town, and is a
bit concerned about their appearance. Mr. Hogestad said that these are fanciful and
fun, and will probably help downtown. He said that in Boulder they do not detract from
the streetscape. Ms. Dix agreed that these show a great deal of promise and that she
would like to encourage a family environment downtown.
Public input: Connie Merrill, citizen, asked what would become of the Peace Pole. She
was informed that it will be relocated to somewhere else in downtown Ft. Collins.
3) 226 Pine Street, Historic Asmus Sign Shop — Conceptual/Final Review of
Fagade Rehabilitation using the 2002 Loan Program. (Mike Asmus, co-
owner of Asmus Sign Building and Mark Thorburn, contractor, University
Designers and Builders)
This 1909 building was used until 1963, primarily for auto related uses. In 1963, Harold
Asmus bought it for his sign shop. He used the overhead door to bring in trucks for sign
painting and to haul large signs in and out. Mr. Asmus died a few years ago and his
family received an Historic Structure Assessment Grant from the State Historical Fund
to delineate what is needed to be done to the building. A prospective, tenant wants to
rent the building, and the owners need to proceed with the rehabilitation of the fagade.
The work proposed includes stripping paint off the overhead door so that they can make
epoxy repairs to the broken and rotted areas, like the bottom rail. The plywood flat
insert panels are broken and the quarter round holding them is rotted in places. They
propose to replace the lower row of glass with wire glass. Then the door will be painted
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back as it is now. A new single -ply membrane roof will be installed along with
accompanying interior roof structural stabilization. The current roof is bowed, and
needs to be stabilized. These items are all being partially funded by the City's 2002 No -
Interest Loan Program.
This work is mostly repair with the exception of the introduction of a new material, wire
glass. The roof is not visible from the public right-of-way, and not normally under LPC
purview, but has come before the LPC because the work will be partially funded by the
City's financial incentive funds.
Ms. Dix asked why they are replacing just one row of windows with wire glass. Mr.
Thorburn said that this is due to the cost of wire glass, and because only the glass at
eye level is is getting damaged. The higher glass is not as vulnerable to vandalism.
The applicant added that the garage door will remain a working door, even though the
tenants will not be using it as a garage.
Motion: Mr. Frick moved that the LPC approve the Conceptual and Final Review
of the fagade and roof rehabilitation at 226 Pine Street, the historic Asmus Sign
Shop. Seconded by Ms. Aguilera and approved unanimously, 5-0.
DISCUSSION ITEM:
Periodic Review
Ms. Tunner reminded the LPC members that the City Council will be meeting to discuss
the LPC's Periodic Review on July 161". The LPC needed to look again at questionnaire
items No. 2 and No. 7, which have been reworded. The City of Ft. Collins anticipates a
loss of revenue this year, based on sales tax revenues and so on. Still, it is proper to
ask for what the LPC needs, in anticipation of when things turn around.
Mr. Hogestad asked how much will it take in additional funds to do what the LPC feels
would more benefit the city. This includes how much should be available for no -interest
loans, and what the cap should be. Mr. Frick said that the cap should be doubled, and
for the Design Assistance Program, the amounts should be at least doubled, if not
tripled. Ms. Tunner said that currently the LPC does not use the whole $10,000. Mr.
Frick said that the current cap of $900 per year per property might be better if it were
raised. If the amounts were higher, more people would use the service.
The LPC still felt that more staff is key. Ms. Tunner said that there is currently a half-
time intern and two 80% staff. The commissioners felt that they need the current staff to
go to full time, with more full-time staff to do education and publicity, designating
districts, identifying districts, and more survey work.
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Ms. Tunner will make further corrections and send the periodic review report to the City
Clerk's Office.
CURRENT REVIEW:
4) 172 North College Avenue, Northern Hotel — Conceptual/Final Review on
Interior Mounted Air Conditioners. (Gina Roe, Executive Director for Funding
Partners for Housing Solutions)
The LPC was presented with a letter from Jeff Valloric on issues arising from summer
heat buildup in the Northern Hotel. The Housing Authority and Funding Partners have
found that the apartments need to be air-conditioned. The inside temperature has been
measured at 100 degrees. Air conditioning units have been found that will be interior air
conditioning units, with an exhaust hose that goes to the outside. There is a white,
three-inch strip that fits in the window, and the window closes to it. From the outside
they will be quite unobtrusive. These are not evaporative coolers, but are air
conditioners. The water tank will be empted, and no plumbing will be required.
The LPC asked if there is a plan in place to install permanent air conditioning. Ms. Roe
said this will serve as the permanent solution. The 27 residents that are there currently
have had these air conditioners ordered for them. Future tenants will have units
ordered for them as they arrive. The units will cool 500-750 square feet, which will be
either the bedroom area or the kitchen/living room area. The units are portable enough
to be moved from room to room by the tenants. During the wintertime, the units will be
removed and put into storage.
Motion: Ms. Aguilera moved that the LPC approve, for Conceptual/Final review,
the interior mounted air conditioners, with additional information on sealing at
the separation of the window sash to be approved administratively. Seconded by
Ms. Dix, and approved unanimously, 5-0.
OTHER BUSINESS: Mr. Frick gave his Commission Member's Report, on the first
meeting of the Downtown Strategic Plan. The consultants, all people from out of town,
introduced themselves and shared their observations. There will be 15 meetings in the
18-month process. Mr. Frick is on the Citizen's Advisory Group. The consultants plan
to try to understand the issues from the market side, i.e., what is a good market mix for
downtown. They are concerned that there are a lot of bars, but little for families. There
are also few public facilities. A hotel and conference center would be good for
downtown. They also feel that, since a new library has been approved for the south end
of town, this will detract further from the downtown library. They are also willing to hear
public comment during the design stage.
Meeting adjourned: 7:30 p.m.
Minutes submitted by Conn .a Merrill, Recorder.