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LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION
August 12, 1997
Regular Meeting
Council Liaison: Scott Mason
Staff Liaison: Joe Frank
Commission Chairperson: Jennifer Carpenter (225-0960)
SUMMARY OF MEETING: Jennifer Carpenter was re-elected Chairperson and Per
Hogestad was re-elected Vice -Chairperson of the Commission. The LPC
approved the correction of the Historic Old Town Local Landmark District
Designation. A time extension for 700 Remington was granted for the Colorado
State Tax Credit. The Local Landmark designation of 148 Remington, Poudre
Garage/U. S. Forest Service building was amended and work on the storefront
including new windows was approved. A revised storefront restoration plan was
conceptually discussed for the Binkler Block, 142-144 North College Avenue. A
doorway awning was approved for the Bar Bazaar (215 Walnut) in the Northern
Hotel. The LPC discussed a proposed permanent canopy structure to be installed
over the Old Town Square stage by the Downtown Business Association.
CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL: Ms. Carpenter called the meeting to order 5:40 p.m.
at 281 North College Avenue. Commission members Per Hogestad, Bud Frick, Angela
Milewski, Stephen Short and James Tanner were present. Diana Ross was absent. Joe
Frank, Carol Tunner, Karen McWilliams and Timothy Wilder represented Staff.
GUESTS: Brad Lenz, Lenz Construction Company, owner, 148 Remington, Poudre
Garage/U. S. Forest Service Building; Jim Reidhead, owner's representative and Mike
Early, owner, 142-144 North College Avenue, the Binkler Block; Bill Starke, owner,
Northern Hotel and Chris Rogers, AdCon Advertising Inc.; Jay Hardy, Executive Director,
Downtown Business Association.
AGENDA REVIEW: The discussion of the proposed Old Town Square stage canopy was
moved up because item number four (722 Remington) on the agenda was cancelled. Ms.
McWilliams added under other business, a discussion of a revision of the Old Town district
boundaries.
STAFF REPORTS: Mr. Wilder handed out some packets, which included information on
the Local Landmark Rehabilitation Grant Program.
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COMMISSION MEMBERS' REPORTS: none.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The July 8, 1997 Landmark Preservation Commission
meeting minutes were accepted as submitted.
ELECTION OF OFFICERS:
Mr. Frick nominated Jennifer Carpenter for the position of Chairperson for the
Landmark Preservation Commission. Ms. Milewski seconded the motion, which
passed unanimously. (6-0)
Mr. Frick nominated Per Hogestad for the position of Vice -Chairperson of the
Landmark Preservation Commission. Mr. Short seconded the motion, which passed
unanimously. (6-0)
DISCUSSION ITEM:
700 Remington Street, Flynn's Inn — Extension for the Colorado State Tax Credit
Mr. Wilder explained that the LPC has already granted an extension for this project a
number of months ago. The applicant has been having problems with the contractor and
has run into some complications in removing the aluminum siding on the house. An
extension up to one year is allowed to finish the project. Mr. Wilder was unsure if a
second extension would continue the extension already granted or would be considered
a new extension. Total time cannot extend one year. This extension would allow the total
time to reach a year and run through March 1998. It was suggested that in the future the
LPC award the full time for any time extension request. Applicants can always close them
out sooner.
Mr. Hogestad moved that the LPC approve the extension for 700 Remington Street.
Mr. Frick seconded the motion, which passed unanimously. (6-0)
Amended Local Landmark Designation. 148 Remington, Poudre Garage/ U. S. Forest
Service Building
Ms. McWilliams reported that on January 14, 1997 the LPC recommended that the building
be designated as a local landmark. Staff has since discovered that the legal description
of this building is incorrect. Chapter 14 of the City Code allows for the opportunity for the
LPC to amend the local landmark designation. Brad Lenz, owner needs to get the property
designated in order to meet an agreement with the State Historic Preservation Office. The
City remains a third party beneficiary of the building because the building was traded in
a land swap with the Forest Service until such time that the legal deadlines have been met
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and the property is designated. Because of a mistake in the description of the designated
property, the designation needs to be corrected. Once the designation goes through the
City will be removed as the third party beneficiary.
Mr. Frick moved that the LPC approve the amended Local Landmark Designation
and legal description of the Poudre Garage/ U. S. Forest Service Building, 148
Remington Street. Mr. Hogestad seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
(6-0)
CURRENT DESIGN REVIEW:
148 Remington Street, Poudre Garage/U. S. Forest Service Building — Replacement
of Windows
Ms. Tunner explained that Mr. Lenz would like to replace the windows on the west and
south sides of the building and to block in the windows and doors on the east elevation in
preparation for building an addition there. At the conceptual review of the proposal, the
LPC recommended the use of storefront windows. The proposed replacement windows
will be wood and made to look double hung, although, non -operable. The doors will be
left for now. A panel is proposed for above and below the windows done in a traditional
motif. Mr. Lenz walked around town and saw such panels on the Goodwill building. Staffs
recommendation is to simplify the design. Ms. Tunner explained that it is an Art Modern
building on which step back lines with strong vertical accents were used. Ms. Tunner
discussed some options for the panel design. Mr. Lenz presented a rendered elevation
of the front of the building and said that the proposed design was the one that they
preferred. Mr. Lenz pointed out the original garage door openings and stated that they
would like to keep the windows matching on the front. He added that they will install the
new door last to keep it from getting damaged during construction. He used the panels
in the design to help create conformity, and the colors selected reflect the brick colors. Mr.
Tanner asked if the panels have a lip or a molding. The center of the panel will protrude.
Mr. Short asked if the applicant was no longer thinking about a metal storefront. He added
that for that type of building he would expect to see metal. Ms. Tunner explained that
because there is no historic fabric left at all, the applicant has the option to use a
contemporary approach. This is also an adaptive reuse. The building will no longer be
used as a garage, but for office space. The garage doors on the building would be
inappropriate for the office use. Mr. Hogestad suggested removing the detail of the panel
and keep it simple. Mr. Tanner said that the colonial feature of the panel does not seem
to fit in with the building. Mr. Hogestad recommended the use of a more durable exterior
material in order to prevent warping. Mr. Lenz explained that he is trying to use natural
materials. Duraply or MDO board would also paint over a lot better than knotty pine. Mr.
Frick said that the design can be historic, but the materials used can be contemporary.
The LPC recommended that the raised panel be removed from the design and to keep it
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simple. Mr. Hogestad said that he likes the contrast in color because it emphasizes the
large openings. Ms. Tunner added that the motion should include blocking the windows
and doors on the east side of the building. An infill building is proposed for the east side
of the property. The windows will be blocked in flush with the outside face of the building
to keep water from getting trapped inside the building.
Mr. Tanner moved to approve the request to replace the windows on the front and
side elevations of 148 Remington Street as presented in the attached drawings with
the proviso that the raised panels be eliminated. Mr. Frick seconded the motion.
Mr. Hogestad made a friendly amendment requesting vertical and horizontal
dimensions on the section drawings. Mr. Frick and Mr. Tanner accepted the friendly
amendment and the motion passed unanimously. (6-0)
The windows, frames, panels and mullions will be painted in the darker tan color, #1112.
The other features will be painted in the lighter beige color, #1107.
142-144 North College Avenue, Binkler Block — Revised Storefront Restoration Plans
Mr. Reidhead represented the owner, Mike Early at the meeting. He explained that the
facade material from the sixties has been removed from the building. Before they created
the final design they had to see what was left of the original storefront. Unfortunately,
nothing is left and no clear photo -documentation of the storefront exists. Mr. Reidhead
provided copies of a storefront, which had been conceptually approved with a recessed
door, and a simple center entrance. They now would like to access the basement for
storage and possibly some other use in the future. Mr. Reidhead explained that they are
seeking conceptual approval for plan A which includes three doors, one to the main level,
one upstairs and one to the basement. The contemporary modifications would be
appropriate because all historic elements have been lost. Adaptive reuse is being applied
to this building and they would like to design the storefront to meet the needs of both a
first -floor and basement tenant. The LPC liked the new plans for the storefront and
encouraged them to proceed with final plans.
215 Walnut. Northern Hotel — Addition of Doorway Awning
Chris Roger, of Ad -Con Signs, explained that Bill Starke, owner of the Northern Hotel is
interested in new signage for Bar Bazaar and visibility from the east and west. The
signage is proposed to carry through the signage color theme of the building with a gold
background for the sign with brown letters. Ms. Tunner provided a color copy of the design
of the sign, measurements of the doorway and samples of the proposed materials and
colors. Gold is proposed for the background with deep mahogany brown letters. Staff
recommended not using a vinyl fixed frame without a free -flowing valance. In the past the
Commission has elected not to approve vinyl fabrics because it is not historic, and a fixed
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frame usually requires a free flowing valence. Ms. Tunner described the existing awnings
on the front and side of the building having a wavy free flowing valence. Staff
recommended they use that on the proposed awning. The plan is to use the awning as a
sign and to only have the signage on the sides of the awning. The color selection is to
coordinate with the yellow Bar Bazaar sign which exists next to it and the Northern Sign
on College Avenue. Mr. Rogers'explained if they change material than the color will also
change. Ms. Carpenter questioned what was meant by flood illumination. Mr. Rogers
explained that it had been recommended to use gooseneck lighting fixtures. Mr. Starke
said that he prefer to start with no lighting, because of the expense. Mr. Short explained
that the design and colors could be something different, but should tie back in with the rest
of the building. He suggested to use compatible colors, but in reverse. The Commission
discussed other color options with the applicant for an acrylic fabric, rather than vinyl. Ms.
Tunner suggested that since the proposed awning will cover the business street address,
they add the address in small numbers on the valence. Mr. Hogestad added that the
awning should not necessarily match the colors, which exist out front. The LPC agreed
that the valence should be added and preferred a more subdued color combination. Ms.
Carpenter added that colors are not covered under the guidelines, but the awning should
be compatible with the street as a whole.
Mr. Short moved that the LPC accept the acrylic fabric canopy design with the
addition of the scalloped valence and the colors Buttercup (#4635) for the canopy
and True Brown (#4621) lettering. No lighting is included at this time. The valence
should be a six-inch minimum, free flowing, with the address. Mr. Hogestad
seconded the motion, which passed unanimously. (6-0)
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
Letter of Support for a GO -CO Colorado Grant Request to Restore Sheldon Lake
Ms. Tunner explained that funds have been donated to finish the walkway around the lake
and that a set of stairs exists on the east side which are historic. Mr. Short recalled a
walkway, which ran from that set of stairs over to the swimming pool. Ms. Tunner said that
the steps existed to walk down and ice skate and that a warming but gazebo also existed
at the site. The LPC wondered where the proposed wetlands will be created. Mr. Frick
asked if the Commission will review the plans because it is older than fifty years old, are
they just supporting the idea of restoration or have plans been drawn up. The LPC agreed
that they would like to comment on the plans when they are available. The Commission
supports the concept and would like to hold a complimentary review of the plans because
the property is eligible for designation. They will also be available to help out in the
planning process.
OTHER BUSINESS:
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Old Town Square Stage Canopy Complimentary Review — Downtown Business
Association
Ms. Tunner explained that the Downtown Business Association is proposing to install a
permanent stage canopy structure in the Old Town Plaza. Ms. Carpenter informed the
applicant that this area is part of the Historic Old Town District and there are some
corrections, which are currently being made to that designation. This project will then
come under the purview of the LPC. Jay Hardy, Executive Director of the Downtown
Business Association discussed his goals for the project and the timeline. They would like
to complete the stage by this fall, so it will be available for next season's events. Ms.
Tunner went on to explain that a similar application was presented to the Commission in
1992. The Commission's concerns at that time were that it be as transparent as possible
and have minimal impact on the square. Mr. Hardy said that he has reviewed the initial
design, reviewed by the Commission. Some of the needs which they have identified stem
from the productions, which are put on in the plaza and the marketing that the Association
does for Old Town. Each time that the Association has a scheduled event they need to
erect a tent. It is a temporary structure, is very difficult to get it to look cosmetically
pleasing, is not very practical and over time becomes very expensive. Mr. Hardy explained
that they have been considering other options for a stage canopy and have been trying to
create a simple design for the proposed permanent structure, while addressing some
concerns which were been identified in the past. He has visited with storeowners in the
area. Some of their concerns were to have the structure transparent enough so that their
storefronts are not obstructed and are still visible from across the square. They also
wanted to see a simpler, more delicate design for the structure. The proposed design has
two poles and four cylinders that support the entire piece. The height is proposed to be
nine feet so a person can still see across the square. The roof of the structure will be
made of flexible, translucent plastic material. The stage lights will also be able to
illuminate through the roofing material, unlike the vinyl tent canopy currently used. No
additional lighting will therefore be necessary. The Commission discussed the dimensions
of the canopy relative to the stage. Mr. Frick liked the lighter design for the structure with
fewer support poles. Mr. Short said that a permanent structure will still block the view
through the plaza and certainly through the roof. The Commission agreed that the
proposed structure is not transparent, but translucent. Mr. Tanner commented that the
focus of this discussion in the past addressed lines of sight through the plaza. He
recommended that a more efficient, yet temporary structure be designed for the stage.
This proposal would have a major impact on the plaza and the Commission would need
line -of -site plans including the dimensions of the structure to truly understand its impact
on the square. The Commission discussed some ideas for temporary structures. Ms.
Carpenter said that she was not entirely opposed to a permanent structure. She
commented that light poles exist in the area, so permanent poles may fit in and then a
temporary cover could be used. It is the cover that effects the lines of sight within the
plaza. Mr. Hogestad discussed the impact of the height of the canopy on sight lines and
agreed that a temporary structure is worth investigation. Ms. Milewski asked if the
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business owners in the area are concerned about people seeing their storefronts. Mr.
Hardy said that he has discussed that with the storeowners and it is a concern. He would
like to implement a design, which allows people entering the plaza to see the storefronts
across the square. The Commission discussed whether anyone has ever thought about
moving the stage to a different location within the plaza. Other areas could not
accommodate the people and the existing stage is in a central location for people dining
on the outdoor patios in the plaza. Ms. Milewski added that because of its location it really
adds to the focus of Old Town. She also explained the Commission's concerns around
adding another permanent structure in Old Town, as well as recognized some of the
concerns that have been addressed by the applicant from a design standpoint. Mr.
Hogestad added that the current proposal can still be simplified quite a bit. Mr. Short
commented that the current design plans with simple vertical lines and a curved roof could
lend itself to being constructed as a removable structure. The Commission also discussed
that the stage isn't used for six to nine months of the year. Mr. Hardy said that the
Association would like to increase their use of the downtown stage for scheduled events
through all the seasons. He showed a photograph of the GE Profile material, which is
used in the entranceway of the AdCon Advertising office in order to get an idea of how it
appears. Ms. Carpenter offered the LPC Design Review Sub -Committee's assistance in
designing such a structure. Mr. Hogestad suggested that the contractor further research
possible options for a temporary structure. Mr. Tanner also agreed that more research be
done in finding a possible temporary structure. Any permanent structure will have inherent
problems and will effect the lines of sight through the historic downtown square. Mr. Hardy
said that the important issue is to improve the appearance of the stage for events in Old
Town in order to make the area more appealing and popular.
Correction of the Historic Old Town Local Landmark District Designation
Ms. McWilliams explained that the LPC needed to approve the initiation of the review
process to correct the legal description of the Historic Old Town District to include public
rights -of -way.
Mr. Frick moved to approve the corrected version of the Historic Old Town Local
Landmark District Designation. Mr. Hogestad seconded the motion, which passed
unanimously. (6-0)
OTHER BUSINESS CONTINUED:
Mr. Frank said that the Downtown Development Authority has completed its election of
new officers. He explained that the Downtown Development Authority would like to
improve their communications and cooperation with the Landmark Preservation
Commission on projects effecting downtown. Mr. Frick will continue to serve as a liaison
to the DDA and request to be included in the agenda in order to have the opportunity to
report LPC issues. Ms. Carpenter will serve as an alternate for Mr. Frick. Staff will also
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send the DDA a copy of the agenda for upcoming LPC meetings and will highlight the
items that may be of interest to them.
Ms. Tunner reported that Barbara Schoenberger from the Senior Community Advisory
Board has been in contact with Staff regarding Community Homecoming. The LPC is
invited to march in the homecoming parade. The LPC members will think about some
ideas for their participation. The Board will hold a meeting in September of all interest
Boards and Commissions to discuss possible entries.
Ms. Carpenter discussed the Preliminary Budget Recommendations for the City Manager.
It appears that funding for the Historic Database was not recommended. Ms. Carpenter
discussed ways in which they can increase funding for Historic Preservation staff. Mr.
Frank explained that these figures may change once the City assesses the damage
caused by the recent flood.
The meeting adjourned at 8:05 p.m.
Submitted by Nicole Sneider, Secretary.