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CDBG COMMISSION
QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION
May 8. 1991
The CDBG Commission Question and Answer Session was called to order
by Chair Tom Dougherty on Wednesday, May 8, 1991, at 6:20 p.m. in
the CIC Room of City Hall West, 300 LaPorte Avenue.
Members Present: Mary Clark, Linda Coxen, Tom Dougherty, Bobbie
Guys, Dan MacArthur, Josie Mata, Tina Marie Ribera, Louise Stitzel,
William Bertschy, Tom Byington, Joseph Zimlich, Carolyn Early,
Members Absent: Carl McWilliams
Staff Members Present: Ken Waido, Jackie Davis, Carmen Jimenez
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes from the February 14, March 14, and April 11, 1991
meetings were approved as written.
QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION
City of Fort Collins - CDBG Administration: Ken Waido, Chief
Planner $ 95,600
MacArthur: How has the budget been revised this year? Several
years ago staff made a commitment to the Steering Committee to
slowly reduce the amount of CDBG monies that went into the
administration budget that covers my time and the Planning
Director's time spent on the program. Next year, the only
personnel charges in the budget are Jackie's at 100% and 70% of the
secretary II.
Coxen: Now is the administration handled by other CDBG boards? I
am not well versed in what's happening across the country. We do
know that typically administration costs are taken from the
entitlement grant. I am not aware of any community or city that
uses general funds to cover administrative budgets.
Dougherty: What happens if We vote to deny it? The message to
Council is that you feel money should be used for programs and
projects. City Council will have to come with administrative costs
out of general revenue, and that is a zero likelihood.
Clark: As a group we have to think about the serious implications
of denying this request. The logical outcome is that they will ask
for less diversified and less complex programs. I don't see that
they have money to come up for this.
City of Fort Collins: Ken Waido, Chief Planner, Jackie Davis,
Community Development Specialist
Fair Housing Consultant S 5.000
Ms. Davis: Federal regulations require that all communities
conduct an analysis on the impediments to fair housing. We are
looking at working with Longmont and Loveland to do a joint
analysis that we could go out with an RFP for the three cities.
It would only have to be done once every five or ten years.
stitael: Is this for the whole of Fort Collins? Yes.
stitsel: In that case it might be more appropriate that some of
the funds come from city sources rather than all from CDBG. The
City of Fort Collins does not support affordable housing except
with CDBG funds, and for them to take all from CDBG is not fair
when it will benefit the whole community. We are short of funds
for the needs of low income people.
Cozen: since it is a requirement, what is plan B, if consultant
not funded? We would apply for a grant as three municipalities and
try to do it as a demonstration for the three cities. If the study
doesn't happen, is that the and of CDBG funds? No, but we don't
have anyone on staff to be able to do it. We were monitored and
told we have to do something. We have no option.
Waido: One of HUD's housing requirements was a Housing Assistance
Plan. It included statistical data to determine the housing needs
of the community, such as census data, new growth rates,
adjustments for age distributions, etc. HUD has changed it to be
a more comprehensive housing study which is supposed to be more
useful, called the Comprehensive Housing Assistance Strategy
(CHAS).
Dougherty: Do we have a concern for CHAS?
Clark: Localities have to go through a process and do some goal
setting and adopt a CHAS in order to be eligible to apply for the
new HUD funding housing programs called HOME and HOPE. We expect
these programs will be funded in the next fiscal year. They are
separate from CDBG. Fort Collins is an entitlement community for
CDBG funds. They have not decided if it will be an entitlement for
HOME. HOPE funds are for public housing and HOME is for other
housing.
Neighbor -to -Neighbor, Inc.: Nancy MCCambridge, Executive Director,
- CHOICE Senior Housing Counseling $11,708
- Fair Housing Counseling 42,770
- Architectural Barrier Removal and Emergency Repairs 15,000
Clark: Looks like you are serving alot of low income seniors.
Yes, most are on fixed incomes which makes them low to moderate
income anyway. The folks who we see are indeed low income, unless
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they are very disabled and their families are seeing us on their
behalf.
Dougherty: How many people came to your program last year and were
successfully placed in housing? Many walked out having had some
success. Difficult to define substandard housing from other
people. Ninety-five percent got some kind of help, whether it is
counseling to help them work through a difficult decision, or an
actual move to a board and care facility, or a housing arrangement
that is safe and appropriate that the family is happy with.
Cozen: How imperative is it that CHOICE be kept with Neighbor -to -
Neighbor? As far as CHOICE is concerned it is very imperative. A
couple of years ago several funding sources encouraged us to move
in with Neighbor -to -Neighbor in order to cut overhead costs. This
is a good arrangement for us. Another good thing is we can cross
refer to the ABR or Emergency programs.
Cozen: Are there other sources of funding available? Yes, we get
money from United Way, but most of those dollars are going for
financial assistance.
Clark: Did you make use of the foreclosure prevention funds that
were funded through Neighbor -to -Neighbor? Nothing was done with
it. We had some problems in terms of income guidelines. The
people who applied were making too much money so they couldn't
qualify.
Dougherty: Do you get volunteer professional services for the ABR
and Emergency programs? We did for a awhile but then that contact
person left, so I am in the process of recruiting someone.
What is the average cost for assisting the client? $1,500 is an
average amount and it includes widening doors, installing ramps,
and doing things to bathrooms.
Senior Resorts of America• Dean Stevens 965.000
Cozen: Are there other sources of funding for this concept? Not
to my knowledge as yet. I have been trying to market this for
about the last year. Four years now trying to develop it. It is
very similar to the resorts in Arizona and Texas.
Dougherty: Will the resort be located in or adjacent to Fort
Collins? It would have to be close to utilities. The city would
enjoy the profits. There would be a It profit on the development
of the resort. There would be no other profits other than the 1%
strictly for development of another resort. My main concern is to
try to get housing for seniors. Metro areas in the older part are
deteriorating. They would have a choice of the type of residence,
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they would want. They would own that. The funding has to be
developed by a non-profit somehow. I have formed a non-profit
corporation, but have not achieved a 501(3)(c) yet.
Cozen: Is the $65,000 for a study? The $30,000 is for a salary
for a year, I estimated at the other. The City could finish the
costs like utility costs, street costs.
Byington: Have you made application at other cities? I wrote to
100 cities in Colorado. Only three cities answered, there has not
been much interest.
Byington: What research or data do you have to know if there is a
need for this? The study would tell us that. I can't say
definitely there is a need. There is an article from the Denver
Council of Governments that they predicted an 80.5% growth in
senior population in the next 20 years. So there is going to be a
need for not subsidized housing. The people would fund this. This
is a presold concept, otherwise if it doesn't sell it can be
abandoned without losing much of money.
New Bridges: Lou Stitzel
Acquisition of 316 Jefferson $175,000
Operating Expenses 32.730
Clark: How does the organisation anticipate doing the renovations
to the building if it is purchased? The building is the former
bus station. It is not in bad shape. It has two bathrooms, and
shower facilities, but arrangements have been made with the Atzlan
Center where we send people over with shower passes. The owner of
the building is very desirous of our purchasing it.
Dougherty: Are any of the personnel services provided by
volunteers? It is totally staffed by volunteers. We have a system
of daily coordinators and we are looking at giving a small stipend
of $25.00 a month for an overall supervising volunteer coordinator.
Cozen: Is it possible to purchase it over a couple of years? I am
sure the owner would like to have it sold. I think he would accept
anything. There may be some other sources that we could get
funding from. I am thoroughly convinced that there is more than
one place to get funding. Local communities need to go beyond
local sources of funding.
MacArthur: Now do the downtown neighbors feel about it? We
cooperate with the neighbors. No one but staff can park in the lot
next to Private Eyes Window Tinting. And the people use the west
side of the building to smoke.
Dougherty: Now long have you been in operation? Since October 5,
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1990. It seems a little premature to be investing $150,000 in a
program before it has had a year or two of operation. Since it
has been operating we have generated fundraisers and donations and
I think that it has proven its point that it is operable now. We
need to improve so that we have more programs to help people
overcome problems and get them back into the economic system.
Children's Clinic: Dr. Collopy
- Acquisition of 400 Remington $175,000
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Dougherty: This proposal indicates that 10,000 kids were treated.
That Indicates that since we opened 20 months ago, the indigent
children of this community have made 10,885 visits which reflects
a presence of 2,408 children.
Dougherty: How many doctors work at the clinic? One paid
physician, 100 volunteers, and one doctor that gets a very modest
salary.
Cozen: Is the requests for all or part of the building? For the
lower half of the building. There is about 4,000 square feet in
the lower half.
Stitzel: Would you be able to get rent income from part of the
building? No, the owner would retain the upper part and we would
have possession of the lower half.
Clark: Any other funding sources that might contribute towards the
acquisition funds? We find when we go to apply to major
foundations, that they will not fund bricks and mortars, but they
will fund programs.
Clark: Have you approached the Colorado Trust? The Colorado Trust
was the first organization that ever sponsored us and they
conducted a study via an independent business organization. They
wrote a booklet about us, and gave us $50,000 as a one time start-
up contribution.
Clark: Is this facility adequate or will you make some
renovations? The building is very adequate. It has a handicapped
ramp which we don't have at our present location. I had a plumber
go through the building. We will need to add another bathroom,
which will cost about $6,700, but we plan to use volunteer labor.
Clark: Can you do this in two stages? Can you work it over a
Period of two or three years? I haven't discussed that with the
owners, but we could try to arrange it.
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Zimlich: In your financial statement from last year, the excess of
revenues over expenses was about $200,000 and you have fund
balances of about $300,000. Sounds like alot, but that is not even
a year's operating budget. If all our funding stops, we would have
to close the rest of the year. When I first started this I found
that a great number of nonprofits collapsed and I tried desperately
to keep a financial floor under us to keep it going. The figures
do not reflect prosperity.
MacArthur: After your meeting with the County Commissioners, are
you onvinced that there is no public space that might be available
for this? There is quite bit of public space, most of which is
owned by the County. And the Commissioners in conjunction with
their legal representatives steadfastly refused to give us
anything. Their reasoning is that a governmental agency such as
the County cannot make a gift to a charitable institution.
Stitael: Would you be able to work out with the seller a purchase
over a three-year period? Can't positively guarantee it, but I'm
95% sure.
Guys: Can you bill for Medicaid? Yes, we will bill Medicaid, and
Dr. Wera turns all that money back into the clinic.
Clark: Are patients charged a fee? We only ask that they give us
a donation of $3 for each of the prescriptions.
Dougherty: Are all staff people listed full time? Dr. Wera, a
pediatrician, and an office manager are full time, a nurse
practioner is 4/5 full time. Two receptionists share a half time
job, and we have a full-time RN. None are getting paid what they
could make out on the private sector.
United Day Care Center and LCSI Agencies: Carol Richard, Executive
Director, and Linda Hopkins, Board President
- Acquisition of LCSI Building at 424 Pine Street $335,800
- Sliding Scale Day Care Assistance 20.000
Byington: Why now, and what is the balance of the loan? There is
still an outstanding debt on the building of $335,000 and that is
the purchase price. Interested now because the rent is going to be
increased and the agencies housed in the center are going to have
a difficult time paying that amount. The dream for the building
was to have affordable rent. And to have a permanent home. Right
now we pay $6.90 a square foot and it may go up to $7.00 or $7.15
in January.
stitsel: Why the increase? Because it would help pay off the -
debt. Initially there was not a loan that needed to be paid until
1989. There needs to be a rent increase for those loan payments.
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Initially when the building was built the first couple of years the
tenants only paid for the operation and maintenance, janitor, lawn
mowing. There was no debt. Building cost $1,657,000 to build. We
only owe $335,000. These agencies were paying strictly for the
maintenance, $67,000 a year to maintain it. LCSI then incorporated
the mortgage into the rent and asked them to start paying off part
of the debt and the rent was raised. The maintenance costs went
from $67,000 to $103,000. What it is doing basically is taking
money away from the services these agencies provide. What is more
dramatic is that there are facilities that the City owns that house
other human service agencies who are only paying $1.00 a year for
rent.
Bertschy: How fast would you pay it off? We just made $10,o00
payment, which reduced it to $335,000. It saved about $138,000 in
interest.
Dougherty: Can you do other projects to raise funds to reduce the
principal? We have exhausted every other private funding source
locally and nationally. We have done ourselves a disservice by not
having an emergency that would create an urgency. The building is
built it is occupied and it looks like a government building, so
many people assume it is a government facility. This has hurt our
fundraising. There is a possibility that there is a Phase III
that could house other agencies.
Bertschy: Who will maintain the building? We will form a new non-
profit corporation and maintain it through the rents.
Administrative costs would be donated by the boardmembers like it
is now.
stitaal: Most of you serve Larimer county, are you planning on
requesting funds from Human Resources? It doesn't seem fair for
Fort Collins to bare the burden of finishing this off without
County participation. Human development does not do building
acquisition, just human services. Most of us have a site in
Loveland and it doesn't make sense to ask for Human Resources to
pay for the one in Fort Collins.
Sliding a
Guys: Are you planning to start an infant day care? We would
like to. There are only three other infant day care centers in
Fort Collins, none that are on sliding fees.
stitaal: Did you ask for funds from United Way special grants?
United Way Special Grants have frozen their funds, but if the
building is paid off, that will free a great chunk of our rent
money which might be able to use towards starting an infant day
care center.
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stitael: What kind of arrangements are being made to reach the
corporations that hire the parents? We used to run a "much better
center" which was for mildly ill children that was available to all
the people in the community. We had employers and their employees
bring their children there. That ran for three years on Gannett
Grant funds. When we were facing closing, we approached 30 some
businesses in this town asking them for some money just to buy a
slot or two. They were not interested. About five years ago the
day center industry expected the employers to come in and help
their employees. That is not the trend.
Fort Collins Housing Authority: David Herrera, Executive Director
- Acquisition of Transitional Housing $115,000
- Acquisition of Real Property 250,000
- Payment of Nonfederal Share 135,682
- Curb Gutter Sidewalk & Landscaping 15,000
stit$el: Which of these are your priorities? We have an
overwhelming demand for assisted housing in some form or other.
Acquisition of transitional housing is a fully funded non -leverage
purchase. It is short term quick turnaround housing. Acquisition
of real property is the standard every year request that hasn't
gone up or gone down at all to keep up the same level of
acquisition we have done over the last several years. Payment of
nonfederal share is the most difficult to define because there have
been no appropriations from the Congress on the HOME or the HOPE
program. Next year is the last year for rental rehab funds and we
hope to reserve and match some of that as we did last year.
Curb, gutter, and sidewalks are important. There is no other
sources of funding for us to do that sort of thing.
Dougherty: Do transitional housing recipients pay any rent? They
do. The rents have to be substantially lower than the market.
Clark: What did you use the Nonfederal share Program for? The
nonfederal share is used to match rental rehab program. We
currently own 16 units at Matuka Court. and applications pending
now for three others that we now own: 327 & 331 N. Howes and 205
Buckingham. We are a little slow in committing those rental rehab
and the balance of CDBG acquisition funds, because several of the
applications have not worked.
Clark: Now many units do you have that you have acquired? What is
your waiting list for people who fall in that rent gap? We have
acquired 135. About 25% on our waiting list could income qualify
for that type of housing. What we charge is $200 for a 2-bedroom
or 30% of their gross income whichever is greater fixed for one
year. I think it is more economical to acquire rather than build.
There are still enough units that acquisition/rehab is still the
best approach for us.
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Putnam-Fullana Parent-Teacher Organization: John Cross and Mike
Lohman
Putnam Playground Expansion $25,000
Upgrade of Putnam Park 50 000
Cozen: Could either of these projects be funded through a
fundraising event? We are doing that now. We are looking at
raising $200,000 and the eventual project is to make this park as
nice as any of the parks on the south side. Trying to find every
resource and take every possible avenue to raise money for several
soccer fields, irrigation, green grass.
Cozen: Of your seven needs, which one is more important? Probably
the grass and irrigation system for $26,000. The second item would
be concrete walkway, for curb and sidewalk for $4,000. The
playground surfacing could be done in phases.
Clark: Has the project been presented to the city? We have
already done it once. It is in the Westside Plan to do something
over there. The city suggested we go through this procedure
because of the area that it is in.
John Cross: On the Putnam Park Upgrade, money cannot be raised by
fundraising. The parents in the neighborhood are low income.
Cozen: Why isn't the school district purchasing this? There are
some real needs in the school district as far as their budget goes,
and we are not a priority.
Clark: Will the expansion of the playground be a PTO activity and
done with volunteers? $25,000 is just to buy that lot. The PTO
doesn't want to own the lot. They want to help make it a community
park. The City and the School District are working together.
Cozen: Who is going to maintain the property if its acquired? The
school has been willing to do it. The already own and are
accepting liability for the playground. If it doesn't work that
way, Parks and Recreation has expressed in interest in it. The
School District has written to us expressing an interest in working
cooperatively with us.
Parks and Recreation has given us $14,000, the School District gave
us $7,000, Putnam Elementary has $6,000, and we have $8,000.
Meeting adjourned at 10:30 p.m.
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