HomeMy WebLinkAboutBuilding Review Board - Minutes - 08/26/1999Liaison: Kurt Kastein 11 Staff Liaison: Felix Lee
A regular meeting of the Building Review Board was held on Thursday, August 26, 1999, in the Council
Chambers of the Fort Collins Municipal Building, at 300 LaPorte Avenue, Ft. Collins.
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
Charles Fielder, Allan Hauck, Susan Kreul-Froseth, Gene Little, Bradley Massey
BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT:
Rudy Hansch and Thomas Hartmann
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT:
Felix Lee, Director of Building & Zoning
• Paul Eckman, Deputy City Attorney
Delynn Coldiron, staff support to Board
AGENDA:
1. ROLL CALL:
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Fielder and roll taken.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Chairperson Fielder mentioned that on page 7, near the bottom, the minutes referred to Fielder
making a motion to have a letter of reprimand placed in a contractor file. He noted that Board
Member Hansch made this motion and that he provided the second. It was also noted that Board
Member Hartmann's name was misspelled. Board Member Hauck made a motion to approve the
Minutes from the July 29, 1999 meeting as amended. Board Member Massey seconded the motion.
The motion passed unanimously and the Minutes from the July 29, 1999 meeting were approved as
amended.
3. EXAM WAIVER REQUEST — RONALD RUDKIN D/B/A RUDKIN CONTRACTOR:
Fielder explained the procedures that would be used for the meeting.
Ron Rudkin addressed the Board. He mentioned that he started his general contracting business in
• 1982 in Casper, Wyoming. At that time, the majority of the work he did was designing and building
residential homes. His company built an average of 4-5 homes per year, and expanded into
commercial remodels and tenant finishes. In 1986, Rudkin moved his business to Fort Collins. He
obtained a Class D license with the City of Fort Collins at that time, and since, had built homes in
Taft Canyon and in a variety of other subdivisions. His company has continued to focus on the
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• design and construction of high -end custom homes, together with a few commercial projects. Rudkin
documented the commercial projects he had completed and submitted that information to City staff in
support of his Class E license application. He currently has a commercial tenant finish project in Ft.
Collins pending.
Hauck asked for clarification on Rudkin's current class of license. Rudkin answered that he currently
holds a Class D 1 license with the City. Hauck asked for clarification on any exams that were taken in
order to obtain that license. Rudkin answered that he took a general contractor's exam given by the
City.
Board Member Little asked for clarification on the pending project. Rudkin provided this.
Board Member Kreul-Froseth asked if the project documentation was sufficient to support the Class E
license. Felix Lee answered that staff had just received the project documentation prior to the
meeting and that he was currently reviewing the information. He provided Board Members with
specifics on the projects that had been submitted. Rudkin added further clarification on these
projects. Lee mentioned that some of the projects submitted did not meet the value criteria for a Class
E project without combining them. Although, in one instance, the jobs were done at the same
address, they were done at different times. He left it up to the Board's discretion as to whether or not
these jobs qualified for the Class E license.
Hauck asked Rudkin if the last time he took a Ft. Collins contractor's exam was in 1986. Rudkin
confirmed this. Hauck asked Rudkin if he was licensed in any other jurisdiction. Rudkin stated that
• he was not. Hauck asked if Rudkin had studied or taken an exam on the 1991 or newer version of the
UBC code. Rudkin stated that he has studied this information, but has not taken an exam.
Massey asked for clarification on the type of construction that is allowed under the Class E
contractor's license. Lee answered that the Class E license allows for commercial tenant finish work.
The work allowed must be nonstructural, but there is no restriction on value or size of the project.
Little asked for clarification on whether license applicants are able to get exam waivers based on
proof of experience when they have not taken exams elsewhere. Lee answered that the Board has the
discretion to make this decision. The ordinance states that five projects and five years of experience
are required to be documented prior to an exam waiver being granted. However, the Board is
empowered to consider other factors, i.e., training, hardship, and other mitigating factors that relate to
a specific applicant, when making a decision on whether or not to grant an exam waiver.
Kreul-Froseth mentioned that in the past the Board has granted exam waivers for contractors who had
passed architectural and engineering licensing exams or any other equivalent exam. She asked
Rudkin if he had any specialized training or any hardship that the Board might be able to consider.
Rudkin stated that his only hardship might be that he waited until after March to submit his
application which was the time that procedures changed to require exams. As far as specialized
training, Rudkin mentioned that building homes has provided education since contractors are required
to stay abreast of code revisions, updates, etc. He mentioned that he has also been involved in many
seminars, i.e., energy, stucco applications and other non -qualifying certificate type seminars.
Massey mentioned that he was concerned that the Class E license allowed for very large -scope
• projects and that most of the projects that were submitted in support of Applicant's license request
were for small projects which barely met, or did not meet, the value criteria for a Class E project.
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• Hauck made a motion to deny Applicant's request for an exam waiver. Kreul-Froseth seconded the
motion.
Little mentioned that he understood that licensing requirements were critical and were put in place as
a guideline to make sure that projects were completed both in accordance with the code, and for the
satisfaction of the customer. He was familiar with Rudkin Contracting and mentioned that their
residential products were exceedingly good. He mentioned that he was not familiar with the
commercial work that had been done. He was in favor of granting an exam waiver due to the in-
depth experience the Applicant had in Fort Collins under the current code requirements, etc.
Hauck mentioned that his motion was in no way intended to question the quality of workmanship of
Rudkin Contracting, it merely addressed the exam waiver process. There is an exam process in place
which helps assure that everyone who obtains a license has taken an exam and is current with
building codes, etc.
Rudkin mentioned that the difficulty of this process for him has been that the procedures may have
been somewhat lax previously and now have gone significantly the other direction. Although this is
probably for the better, when there are contractors who have been in the Community and have done a
good job, this is not reflected as experience. He asked the Board to consider that he had been in the
Community since 1986 and had no violations against his license. He also asked the Board to take
into consideration the projects that had been completed by his company.
Little mentioned that when a contractor comes into our Community and brings with them a past
• portfolio but is not familiar with our building code requirements, he would be more apt to require
testing for that individual. However, when there is a contractor that has built in the Community for as
long as Rudkin has, and that contractor has had solid performance, the license seems to be somewhat
of a technicality. Little in no way wanted to violate the technicality requirements if these were
absolutely necessary. He was somewhat undecided on this issue.
VOTE:
Yeas: Massey, Fielder, Kreul-Froseth, Hauck
Nays: Little
The motion carried. Applicant's exam waiver request was denied.
4. EXAM WAIVER —RONALD K. JOHNSON:
Ronald Johnson addressed the Board. He mentioned that he postponed submitting his license
application while he was trying to get all of his framing crews licensed and, during that time, policies
changed that required all contractors to test. He was bom and raised in Ft. Collins, went to school
here, watched the town grow, and helped the town grow through building. His current boss is
thinking about retiring which is the reason he had applied for a license. He was hoping to get an
exam waiver from the Board.
Fielder asked for clarification on whether or not the documented project experience was sufficient to
support the license requested. Lee confirmed this.
• Hauck asked if the Board had received all of the project documentation and noted that on two of the
forms Johnson's primary responsibility was listed as framing. Lee verified that the Board did receive
all of the project documentation that was submitted and pointed out that a couple of the forms were
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• for numerous projects. Johnson added that in one of the subdivisions he has been involved with as an
employee of Odau Construction, he has overseen 86 homes in a five year period.
Little made a motion to approve a Class D exam waiver for Ronald K. Johnson, based on documented
past experience.
Kreul-Froseth asked for clarification on the necessity of submitting five project documents versus
only submitting three project documents. Lee answered that the minimum requirements for obtaining
a license and supervisor's certificate are three projects and an exam. For the Dl license, which is the
license that has been applied for in this case, all three projects would need to be equivalent to a new
single family home. Under the exam waiver criteria that is included in the licensing ordinance, at
least five projects and five years of experience must be documented before an exam waiver can be
granted.
Massey asked for clarification on exam equivalents. Lee answered that staff considers exams from
other jurisdictions as equivalent to the Ft. Collins exam only if the exam covered the 1991 or later
version of the UBC and when it has been determined that the exam was similar in scope to the test
given in Ft. Collins. Lee mentioned that the Applicant in this case had not tested, but had been
building under the 1997 code.
Hauck's concern was that the Board be consistent with all applicants. If it is in the ordinance that five
projects are sufficient for granting an exam waiver, then the Board should be consistent with this.
• Kreul-Froseth mentioned that it appeared that Johnson met the requirements as set out in the
ordinance.
Hauck seconded the motion on the floor to grant Applicant's request for an exam waiver.
VOTE:
Yeas: Massey, Little, Fielder, Kreul-Froseth, Hauck
Nays: None
The motion carried. Applicant's exam waiver request was granted.
5. LICENSE HEARING — CRAIG SCHULTZ, D/B/A PRECISION ROOFING:
Delynn Coldiron mentioned that the Respondent for Precision Roofing had to go out of town on a
family emergency. He left a letter for the Board concerning his case. This letter was provided to
Board Members.
Fielder asked if the Board had dealt before with respondents who did not appear and whose license
had been suspended by the Building Official. Lee mentioned that there was a roofing company
approximately three months ago for which this was the case. Fielder asked for clarification on the
outcome of that hearing. Coldiron mentioned that the Board imposed an additional 30 day suspension
to that license.
Lee reviewed the Summary of Allegations for the Board. On or about August 8, 1999 a City
• inspector issued a Stop Work Order at 3018 Worthington due to roofing work being done without a
permit and by a contractor who did not have a valid license. The contractor subsequently submitted
the appropriate paperwork to obtain a roofing license; however, due to the fact that violations had
occurred, the license was granted only to complete the work that had been started and was then
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• suspended pending the Board hearing. The contractor did obtain the necessary permit prior to
completing the job.
This contractor previously had a license under the name of Elite Roofing which had expired. Lee
mentioned that the Board may determine, with respect to the project at 3018 Worthington, that there
was willful and deliberate disregard of the building code or other adopted code; and/or that there was
a failure to comply with a provision of the code; and/or that there was a failure to obtain the required
building permit; and/or that the work was performed without a valid license or supervisor certificate.
Staff s assumption was that the Respondent should have known about the requirements for a license
and permit since he had previously held a roofing license with the City of Ft. Collins.
Kreul-Froseth asked for clarification on the reason a license was issued to this contractor and then
immediately suspended. Lee mentioned that this is staffs standard procedure when a contractor is
found on a job without a license, especially with roofing, because it is the only way they can legally
finish the job. Rather than have the contractor stop in the middle of the project, unless there are other
mitigating factors which would dictate otherwise, a license is typically issued and the job -in -progress
completed. Once the project is completed, the license is placed on suspension until the next Board
hearing to determine what disciplinary action, if any, should be imposed. Lee mentioned that the
Respondent's previous license expired in 1997.
Massey asked for clarification on whether the license was issued to a company or an individual. Lee
answered that specialty licenses are somewhat different since supervisor certificates are not issued.
These licenses are issued to an individual person with the company's name listed. Massey asked
• whether the Respondent's first license simply expired or if the Respondent went out of business as
Elite Roofing. This was unknown.
Kreul-Froseth asked about the procedure for reapplying for a roofing license. Lee provided
clarification on this.
Massey mentioned that it appeared from the Respondent's letter that he was trying to collect all of the
necessary information so that he could reapply for a roofing license, but it was taking a long time for
him to get the necessary reference letters back. Massey surmised that at the time the Respondent
thought he would lose the job if he didn't start the work, he panicked and started the job. Lee
mentioned that the license could have been somewhat delayed due to inconsistencies that occurred
with staff vacations. There were reference letters on file under Elite Roofing that could have been
used in support of this license. However, the file for Elite Roofing was not found until a later date.
Massey asked if there were any actions against the Respondent under Elite Roofing. Lee answered
that there were none. Massey mentioned that the Board has been directing that letters of reprimand
be placed in contractor files for those contractors who have not had previous violations.
Hauck asked if there were any other violations under Precision Roofing. Lee confirmed that there
were no other violations. Hauck made a motion to unsuspend Respondent's license and place a letter
of reprimand in the Respondent's permanent contractor file making note of the violations and
informing him that any further violations would have severe consequences on his license. Fielder
seconded the motion.
• Kreul-Froseth asked if there was a way to cross-reference information so that violations can be
tracked when contractors change company names, etc. Lee answered that this has been somewhat
problematic in the past, but staff is working on ways to improve this.
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VOTE:
Yeas: Massey, Little, Fielder, Kreul-Froseth, Hauck
Nays:
The motion carried.
6. LICENSE HEARING — MIKE NICELY, D/B/A GENTLE EARTH:
Lee mentioned that staff was unsure of whether or not the Respondent had received the paperwork
relative to his appeal. This item was postponed to the September meeting.
7. ELECTION OF OFFICERS:
Charles Fielder was nominated as Chairperson. There were no other nominations. Massey made a
motion to elect Fielder as Chairperson. Kreul-Froseth seconded the motion. The motion passed
unanimously. Al Hauck was nominated as Vice Chairperson. There were no other nominations.
Kreul-Froseth made a motion to elect Hauck as Vice Chairperson. Fielder seconded the motion. The
motion passed unanimously.
8. OTHER BUSINESS:
There was some discussion regarding developing guidelines that would help the Board maintain
consistency in their decisions. Lee mentioned that under Tab 9 in the Board notebooks, there is some
• information that was prepared related to this that could be helpful to the Board when making
decisions. There was a request to get a summary of the cases that have come before the Board over
the last six months including the action requested and/or the offense and the Board's finding related
to each case. Staff will forward this information to the Board.
Meeting adjourned at 2:20 p.m.
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