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Minutes to be approved by the Board at the March 28, 2002 Meeting
FORT COLLINS BUILDING REVIEW BOARD
Regular Meeting — February 28, 2002
1:00 D.M.
Council Liaison: Karen Weitkunat Staff Liaison: Felix Lee (221-6760)
Chairperson: Charles Fielder Phone: 484-0117(W), 207-0505(H)
A regular meeting of the Building Review Board was held on Thursday February 28, 2002, in the
Council Chambers of the Fort Collins Municipal Building at 300 LaPorte Avenue, Fort Collins.
BOARDMEMBERS PRESENT:
Charles Fielder
Allan Hauck
Bradley Massey
John McCoy
Jim Packard
Cameron Ryland
BOARDMEMBERS ABSENT:
Gene Little
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT:
Felix Lee, Director of Building & Zoning
Delynn Coldiron, Contractor Licensing Administrator
Stacie Soriano, Staff Support to the Board
AGENDA:
1. ROLLCALL
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The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Fielder, and roll call was taken.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Boardmember McCoy made a motion to approve the minutes from the January 31, 2002,
meeting. Boardmember Massey seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
Vote:
Yeas: McCoy, Hauck, Fielder, Massey, Ryland and Packard.
Nays: None.
Contractor Appeal - Scott Holmes, d/b/a James Company (#2-02)
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Fielder explained the procedures for contractor appeals. Lee provided an introduction to the
appeal. Lee noted staff was unable to approve the request because the Appellant has not
supervised one project three or more stories in height nor sixteen or more units required by the
licensing ordinance. The Appellant requested an experience waiver for the C2 license with no
restrictions. Lee mentioned that the James Company has plans to construct three-story units in
the future. Lee stated the company's qualified supervisor left the company, resulting in Mr.
Holmes' application. Lee said the Appellant has supervised numerous two-story, sixteen -unit
projects, and the Appellant has passed the C2 licensing exam.
Scott Holmes addressed the Board. Holmes stated he has been working with the James
Company since February of 1997. During Mr. Holmes' employment with the James Company,
he has supervised 32 six -unit, two-story townhomes. The James Company has plans for future
multi -family projects. Holmes stated that he needed to be able to continue the James Company's
current multi -family project at Sage Creek. Appellant Holmes reiterated his qualifications.
Appellant Holmes stated that through volume he believed he had the necessary experience for a
C2 license. Holmes requested an unlimited C2 license.
Lee verified that Appellant Holmes has not supervised construction on any multi -family unit
more than two stories. Lee asked Appellant Holmes if he has been an active supervisor. Holmes
stated he was on the job site everyday, and has taken projects from plan review through
certificates of occupancy.
Massey asked Appellant Holmes about the role of the licensed supervisor if Appellant Holmes
was the supervisor. Holmes stated he was the contact for the subcontractors, buyers, City staff
and officials. Holmes noted the licensed supervisor would come and check the project on a daily
basis, although Holmes made the decisions.
Hauck asked Appellant Holmes if the supervisor above him was the license -holder. Holmes
stated that was correct. Hauck asked if Holmes held any current licenses. Holmes stated that he
just received his B license for the City of Thornton, which allows Holmes to construct multi-
family projects. Hauck asked if Holmes' Class B license with the City of Thornton would allow
him to do a three-story building. Holmes stated that was correct.
Hauck asked if Appellant Holmes had any additional training that he would like the Board to
consider. Holmes stated that he has taken and successfully completed the ICBO exam.
Hauck asked staff what the licensing ordinance required for a C2 license under the previous
licensing ordinance, and what the present ordinance required. Lee stated that under the previous
licensing ordinance there was not a requirement for a sixteen unit or three-story project to obtain
a C2 license. Hauck asked if Appellant Holmes would have qualified for a C2 license under the
previous licensing ordinance. Lee noted that although this requirement was not specified under
the previous licensing ordinance, he would have used strict discretion in determining whether or
not an applicant's experience was sufficient enough to approve a multi -family license. Lee stated
if an Applicant came to the Board with a similar request under the previous licensing ordinance,
he would have looked for more extensive projects other than a six-plex building.
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• Massey asked Appellant Holmes if he needed the C2 license to continue working on the Sage
Creek project. Holmes stated that was correct. Massey asked staff what happens in the
meantime when a company loses their licensed supervisor. Lee stated technically the company
cannot continue working without a licensed supervisor.
Massey asked Appellant Holmes if he wanted the C2 license to continue the Sage Creek project
consisting of two-story, six-plex units. Holmes stated that was correct. Massey asked if
Appellant Holmes foresaw any three-story projects. Holmes replied a development plan was
recently approved and the James Company would be doing three-story projects in the next year
or so.
Holmes made his closing statements and hoped the volume of the work he has performed would
qualify him for a C2 license. Lee made his closing statements and noted to the Board the
hardship on the James Company and Appellant Holmes. Lee mentioned that Mr. Holmes has
performed satisfactory in the past.
Fielder asked staff if they had enough project verification forms for the two-story, six-plex units.
Lee stated there were only two specific buildings submitted and asked Appellant Holmes if he
had any more. Holmes replied he submitted the first building at Stanton Creek and the first
building at Sage Creek and he could provide more verification forms if necessary.
There was a discussion held regarding what needed to be waived. The discussion concluded that
• three-story or sixteen -unit project was the item that Appellant Holmes was seeking to be waived.
Hauck stated he would be in favor of granting a C2 license with a two-story limitation. Massey
agreed with Hauck. Massey was interested in having the Appellant come back to the Board with
a specific three-story project, and at that time the Board could grant a one-time waiver for one
specific building. Massey noted that if the Appellant were granted the one-time waiver for the
three-story building, the Appellant could use that building for his third project verification form.
Fielder thought Appellant Holmes had a specific three-story project. Holmes told the Board it
would be approximately one year before the three-story buildings would be ready to construct.
Hauck asked Appellant Holmes if he could use the multi -family project in Thornton for his final
project verification form. Holmes replied that the units in Thornton would be two-story, six-plex
units.
Massey made a motion to approve the request for a C2 license based on Appellant Holmes'
experience. The C2 license will be limited to two-story, six-plex units. Massey told Holmes he
would have to come back to the Board with a specific three-story project for the three-story,
sixteen unit licensing requirement to be waived. Fielder made an amendment to the motion to
include Appellant Holmes' Thornton license as well as successful completion of the C2 licensing
exam as additional items supporting the Board's motion. Massey noted the Appellant has
successfully passed the City's C2 licensing exam. Hauck added an amendment to the motion to
include that a third project verification form be submitted. Hauck seconded the motion.
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McCoy agreed with the motion but had some concerns regarding the Board granting waivers to
aid Applicants in gaining experience. There was a discussion held regarding the granting of
waivers. The discussion concluded with the Board agreeing that an Applicant could not come to
the Board three separate times for three separate waivers to gain experience for a license.
Ryland noted the dilemma that the James Company and Appellant Holmes are currently facing to
continue projects and noted her support of Massey's motion. The motion passed unanimously.
Rollcall
Yeas: McCoy, Hauck, Fielder, Massey, Ryland, and Packard.
Nays: None.
4. Contractor Appeal - Edward Seier, d/b/a Seier Company (#3-02)
Appellant Seier passed out further information regarding his appeal to the Board. Lee provided
an introduction to the appeal. The Appellant was seeking an exemption to his current D1 license
in order to build a 29 unit project comprised of 6 four-plexes and 1 five-plex (attached
townhomes). The Applicant indicated he has constructed 34 single-family attached units under
his current D1 license at Cobblestone Corners. Lee noted Cobblestone Corners was constructed
under the previous licensing ordinance. Lee stated that Appellant Seier had other relevant
experience, although no projects were submitted for project verification forms. Lee noted that
Appellant Seier has supervised multi -family projects in Denver. Appellant Seier's last test was
taken in the 1980s.
Edward Seier addressed the Board. Seier was seeking approval to build 29 attached, single
family units. Appellant Seier stated he has previously done a similar project. Seier stated that he
has done a large amount of building along the Front Range.
Packard asked the Appellant if he currently holds a Denver license. Appellant Seier stated he did
not, and his only current license was for Fort Collins. According to Seier, he has held several
licenses in the past. Fielder asked what the highest license the Appellant has held. Appellant
Seier responded that in Loveland he held a license that would have allowed him to build similar
projects he is building in Fort Collins.
Massey asked if the proposed project was the same project that was built at Cobblestone Corners.
Appellant Seier responded that it is not the same project. The proposed project will be
comprised of two-story units due to lot configurations. Massey asked if Appellant Seier was the
contractor on record for the project at Cobblestone Corners. Seier stated that was correct.
Hauck noted that Appellant Seier would qualify to upgrade his license to a C2, and asked the
Appellant if he has considered upgrading his license. Appellant Seier replied that he has
considered upgrading his license, although he will not be able to upgrade his license for the
proposed project due to time constraints. Appellant Seier does plan on upgrading his license in
the future. Hauck asked if the Appellant recalled the last time he took a contractor's licensing
exam. Appellant Seier stated it was 1980. Hauck asked if the Appellant had taken any recent
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• exams on the Uniform Building Code. Seier replied the other exams he has taken were also in
the 1980s.
Lee found a stop work order in Mr. Seier's contractor file and asked if Seier could elaborate on
the issue. Appellant Seier responded that he hired a framing crew that told him they were
licensed, and a stop work order was issued because the framing crew was not licensed. Seier
stated he failed to get their license.
There was a discussion held regarding Appellant Seier's past construction experience. Lee
clarified that Appellant Seier was seeking a one-time waiver. Massey asked staff if the
Appellant had submitted any project verifications forms for a C2 license. Staff responded that he
has not submitted any project verification forms for a C2 license. Coldiron noted that Appellant
Seier's D1 license is already in place and Seier submitted the required information for his D1
license.
Appellant Seier had no closing statements. Lee made his closing statements and noted
Appellant's Seier's extensive history of construction experience. Lee told the Board the focus
should be on the Appellant's experience. Lee told the Board that Appellant Seier was not
seeking a conditional or non -conditional C2 license, but a one-time waiver for a specific project.
Lee stated that he had no issues with Appellant Seier's request.
• Hauck made a motion to approve Appellant Seier's request based on 20 years of experience. The
approval will allow Seier a one-time waiver to construct the proposed 29 unit project with the
assumption that if a similar project were to arise, Mr. Seier would upgrade his license to a C2.
Ryland seconded the motion.
Vote:
Yeas: McCoy, Hauck, Fielder, Massey, Ryland and Packard.
Nays: None.
5. Contractor Appeal - Wayne Leistikow (#4-02)
Hauck recused himself from the Board. Lee provided an introduction to the appeal. Lee noted
that Appellant Leistikow had an unlimited license with the City of Fort Collins 22 years ago and
has been inactive. Lee stated the Appellant wished to reinstate his unlimited license (currently
known as a Class A License). Lee informed the Board that Appellant Leistikow successfully
passed the Class A licensing exam. The project verification forms submitted by the Appellant
are insufficient for a Class A license. Lee stated the current licensing ordinance requires two
projects meeting the Class criteria. The Class A criteria is two complete structures greater than 5
stories and 1 complete building that would qualify as a Class B. Lee noted that Appellant
Leistikow has other experience and a construction management degree.
Appellant Leistikow addressed the Board. Leistikow has been trying to obtain project
• verification forms. Leistikow has been out of the industry for some time due to family
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responsibilities. Appellant Leistikow stated he previously had an unlimited license, and would
like the license to be reinstated. Leistikow noted he had an upcoming project that required a
minimum of a C1 license. The Appellant gave a summary of his construction background and
experience and noted his association with Soderberg Masonry, a masonry subcontractor.
Appellant Leistikow noted that Soderberg Masonry would be involved with his upcoming
project. According to Leistikow, he has been involved in projects at Colorado State University,
the Civic Center and a Municipal Building in Cheyenne, Wyoming, as well as numerous jails
and masonry projects.
Lee informed the Board that the Appellant has submitted project verification forms. The first
project verification form was submitted for a warehouse project that was completed in 1984.
The project was a total of 3600 square feet and included a 40 x 16 masonry building with office
storage and a shop. Lee asked the Appellant if he acted as the superintendent on this project.
Leistikow stated that was correct. Lee noted that staff has received county records for this
project and the project has been verified.
The second project verification form that was submitted was for Taco Bell in Broomfield,
Colorado. The project was completed in 1983. Staff was unable to verify this project, and it is
unknown if any records exist. Leistikow noted a parking area, drive -up window, interior
remodeling and site work was the extent of the work completed for the project. Appellant
Leistikow noted that the Taco Bell in question was no longer in existence.
Lee asked the Appellant what the valuation of the Taco Bell project was minus the site work.
The total estimate for the project was noted as $180,000.00. Leistikow stated that approximately
$30,000.00 to $40,000.00 was the valuation for the addition. There was a discussion held
regarding the square footage of the project. The drive -up window was approximately 60 square
feet and the parking lot was 20,000 square feet.
The third project was for Century Air Craft Refinishing (4500 square foot steel structure) which
was completed in 1981. Appellant Leistikow stated the County Building Department is currently
researching this property to find a building permit for verification purposes.
Lee stated he saw potential projects that would qualify for a C1 license, but the Taco Bell project
would be considered a minor addition and would not qualify for a C1 license. Massey asked
staff what an Applicant would need to qualify for a C1 license in terms of project verification
forms. Lee replied that an Applicant would need three completed buildings.
McCoy asked Appellant Leistikow what the scope was for his upcoming project. Appellant
Leistikow replied that the project was converting part of the Rocky Mountain Bank building into
a restaurant (217 Canyon Avenue). Leistikow detailed the type of work to be done, and noted the
project would not exceed the C1 restriction of 10,500 square feet.
Leistikow made his closing statements and reiterated his qualifications for a C1 license. Lee
made his closing statements. Lee told the Board that if they were inclined to grant the license, he
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believed the following conditions should be placed: (1) verification of project verification forms
and (2) that the C1 license be project specific.
Massey clarified with staff that one project verification form has been verified, and would
qualify for a C1 license. Lee replied that was correct. Massey asked if the Century Air Craft
Refinishing project needed to be verified and if it would qualify for a Cl license. Lee stated the
Century Air Craft Refinishing project would need to be verified, and it would qualify for a C1
license. Massey questioned the upcoming project at 217 Canyon Avenue and if a C1 license
would qualify the Appellant to perform the work. Lee replied that according to the Appellant's
description, a C1 license would be sufficient.
Appellant Leistikow explained further the extent of the project as well as the proposed plans.
Leistikow stated it was unknown at this time if structural modifications would be made to the
building.
McCoy asked staff if the proposed project at 217 Canyon Avenue would give the Appellant a
third project verification form for experience for a C1 license or if a Cl license would be
required to perform the work at 217 Canyon Avenue. Lee replied that according to Code the
Appellant must have constructed or acted principally in the role of supervisor for the
construction of three entire buildings, for which a minimum Class A, B, or C1 license is
required. At least one of the buildings has to be Type I, II or III construction. Lee stated that
from the Appellant's verbal description it is difficult to see if the proposed project is equivalent.
McCoy made a motion, with the condition that the project at Century Air Craft Refinishing be
verified, the Board grant a one-time C1 license for the project at 217 Canyon Avenue. There
was a discussion held regarding McCoy's motion, and project verification forms were discussed.
McCoy amended his motion to also include the condition that the project at 217 Canyon Avenue
qualify for a CI license. Fielder seconded the motion.
Appellant Leistikow reiterated that he previously held an unlimited license and he was applying
for a renewal of some type of license that would allow him to perform the project at 217 Canyon
Avenue. Fielder replied that due to the fifteen -year lapse, it was not subject to renewal. McCoy
reminded the Board that he passed the A exam, has relevant experience to perform the project at
217 Canyon Avenue, and has a Construction Management degree. Massey agreed with McCoy
and showed his support of McCoy's motion.
Rollcall:
Yeas: McCoy, Fielder, Massey, Ryland and Packard.
Nays: None.
Other Business
Election of Officers
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Hauck nominated Fielder for chairmen. Massey seconded the motion.
Rollcall:
Yeas: McCoy, Fielder, Massey, Ryland and Packard.
Nays: None.
McCoy nominated Massey for vice-chairmen. Hauck seconded the motion.
Rollcall:
Yeas: McCoy, Fielder, Massey, Ryland and Packard.
Nays: None.
Boardmember Training
Lee reminded the Board of the boardmember training being offered and encouraged members to
attend.
Meeting adjourned at 2:35 p.m.
Felix Lee, Buildio a Zoning Director
Charles Fielder, Chairperson