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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning And Zoning Board - Minutes - 09/05/1967i 6 MINUTES OF MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD Fort Collins, Colorado Call to Order: Chairman Don Stuart called the meeting to order on September 5, 1967 Members Present: Chairman Don Stuart, Lynn Anduss, Mrs. Wood, Charles Rhoades, Assistant Planning Director Bob Engelke, Ken Pastor, Mayor Tom Bennett, and City Manager Tom Coffey. Item # 1 Minutes for meeting of August 1, 1967 were read and approved. Item #2 #26-67-1 Consider zoning of SW corner of Mulberry Street and Taft Hill Road, a part of the West Fort Collins Annexation. Mr. Coffey: Referred back to us from council. They wanted everything they could do in the county. Council felt that R-L Handicaps them. 1. Loans access in case of sale. 2. Car wash - obsolete. Recommended that rezoning be considered. Bill Allen: (Attorney for Alvin Miller)- If car wash is included in limited business owners have worked to get it so zoned. Bob Engelke: The piece is almost too small to be zoned for business. Bill Allen: One hundred fifty by four hundred fifty, two service stations, one car wash. When you rezone many things to consider. 1. Change in neighborhood which didn't consider by the annexing. Charles Rhoades: I feel since it is fully developed, council was fully informed when brought in. It should be left as it is. Bob Engelke: It seems they could operate as a non -conform use. Gene and I feel B-L is pushing quite a little. Charles Rhoades: On forced versus voluntary annexation we should consider all ready existing zoning. City would be begging large question to change zoning. Bob Engelke: County zoning - Business. Mr. Coffey: Haven't done anything on car wash business. I think the thing to do is to go to B-L, but I hate to go to general business in the little area. There is an obligation on the part of the City. Mayor Bennett: I don't fear precedent factor. If we lean on B-L on this corner, I wouldn't look favorably on other corners. Mrs. Wood: Other people know this and they will want to do .the same. Planning & Zoning B Page 2 • September 5, 19E Mayor Bennett: City initiated annexation. City has more obligat¢on. Mrs. Wood: Non -conform use might be an advantage, and only time for rezoning Bob Engelke: No! Ken Pastor: Any objections to operations from people there presently? Bob Engelke: Yes, adjacent. Mr. Coffey: I move we recommend that it be zoned B-L. Charles Rhoades: Seconded. Vote: five to two - Wood and Anduss opposed. Item #3 #26-67-4 Consider First Lemay Annexation Zoning. Bob Engelke: Parallel county zoning as much possibil. Don McMillan: What was the attitude of the County Commissioners? When was the first change? Three property owners own substantial area. Were their attitudes favorable? Bob Engelke: Yes, it passed. LYnn Anduss: I so move that we recommend as explained. Seconded. All Ayes. Item #4 #38-67 Consider Rezoning Petition of South Eventide Annexation from R-P, Planned Residential to R-H, High Density Residential. Bob Engelke: Additional development planned. Har Asmus: "Retirement community", want to retire. fl_4y�l Jung uth- surveyed for us. One non-profit in Boulder similiar, contemplated for three years. Bring people from Wyoming, Nebraska and Colorado. Some include kitchenettes, mostly without. Only found four such in Western states. Dietitions dining area for one hundred people. Good housekeeping, but no nurses, hobby shops, card room, libraries, pool tables, etc. Do have planne( activities, gym, whirlpool and auditorium for one hundri eighty people. Also have an activity director. Mal Urbine: Boarding house apartments. Greeley has the Bonnell Apartments. Each apartment has switch in the livingroom, and main office has a light. Help can be rendered to that apartment if someone falls, has a heart attack, etc. Balcony - and no germs in the center hallways. Holiday Inn started this called "Halfway Hous on the coast. Lot is 185 x 397 feet long, and has 96 units. Barbershop, Coffee Bar, Beauty Shop is included. Interior space is 40 x 90 feet and diamond elevators in the center. Roof swimming pool raises and lowers for visitors. Mayor Bennett: Could same be accomplished in R-M? Bob Engelke: Would like time to check this over. Mayor Bennett: Assessory buildings we would have.more control. We allow indoor restaurants. It concerns me if we allow business. Mr. Asmuss: The apartments we have visited, one out of five persons had cars. Shuttle bus tours city, shopping etc. Catering to the elderly. Charles Rhoades: 5,500 parking takes one-half of gross area: I think same concept be done. It is pretty intent Mr. Asmus: there is 397 feet edge of sidewalk out from Planning & Zoning Boo Page 3 . September 5, 1967 fenceline to lawn over 185 feet. Bob Engelke: First time to look at plans, my math is not that quick. Mayor Bennett: Breakdowns on density, etc. Mrs. Wood: Table it for consideration. Bob Engelke: 35 units for majcimum density for part as R-M. Mr. Urbine: Garage parking places number up to 22, under building back lot for parking. There are 117 spaces alltogether. Bus service will accommodate when needed. Bob Engelke: "Questions?" Chairman: "Table." Dr. Robert Titley:-Seminole Drive I cannot refute any of the motives underlying the needs of elderly, arguments for elderly, etc. Have no argument against design. I cannot see a unit of that size in that small of an area seems more feasible in the Casper area. Residents of Indian Hills, like the board, lack information. We hear "high, rise, condominium (at map)." I think some of the concern is the residents might have trouble selling these lots. Many feel the lots closest to this unit will lose value. What about parking for the visitors? Visiting on Sunday afternoon and evenings. Residents of Indian Hills as the board request information to allow us an opposition to talk about. Wiyl the building always be used as it is so planned and designed? If sold could become condominium apartment for young people. Site is not ideal for it. We just bought a home one • block away so admit a selfish interest.. Mrs. Ladearus: Five of us have come to learn about the unit, and I agree with Dr. Titley. Mrs. Richard Brockenberry: How long does it take for this to be approved? Mr. Coffey: Five weeks. Bob Engelke: At least five to six weeks. Mrs. Brockenberry: Mr '� Asmus is ready to move immediately on this? Mrs. Asmus: Construction of this unit is for 1968. Infirmary is right next door for those who need care. Mrs. Brockenberry: Picture of paper? So public could see. Jan: Depends on factors - talk to you after wards. Asmus: We would like to improve the area. Mr. Urbine: Building justify a staff has to have this number of people. Sale of land around - retiring people like to build close to people they like in the retirement apartment building. Ken Pastor: What employment are you looking at? Mr. Asmus: Food preparation, and office - 20 to 25 at the maximum. Harold Compton: My points would now follow. This would not addvalue to our home. Our lot is 123 feet. We ,are interested in frontage. We feel it is too much concentration for our area. Mayor Bennett: There is a need for more information. Questions need answering, and residents need information. Move this be continued to next meeting. Mr. Anduss: Seconded. All Ayes. Planning & Zoning Bois Page 4 • September 5, 1967 Item #5 #39-67 Consider Burch Fourth Annexation Petition with R-H, High Density Residential, R-P, Planned Residential and R-L, Low Density Residential Zoning. Bob Engelke: Zoning corelates pretty much with what the City has already in that area. No problems. Chairman: "Questions?" Mrs. Wood: Move recommend for approval. Charles Rhoades: Seconded. All Ayes. Item #6 #40-67 Consider Thunderbird Estates Seventh Subdivision Plat, with B-C, General Business and R-P, Planned Residential Zoning. Six lots. What is R-P? Bob Engelke: From City standpoint good zoning for this area R-M. Development would have to come before this board with anything but F-L. Mrs. Wood: Placement and landscape would have to be revised by presenting to the public. Mr. Coffey: Final hearing is Thursday afternoon. Ken Pastor: I have got several calls on this R-P and is acceptable. Main fear is there will be highrise units or something like them. If we went into R-L there.may be a big store or something and won't like that.. Audience: All landowners in that area. The fact that he has commercial backed by residential. • Chairman: Stop before we go any further. Bob Engelke: Only considering subdivision, actual division of the real estate. Chairman: Final decision. Bob Engelke: Two signs and notice and letters. Audience: When zoning land is up I wish this would be made public. Mrs. Wood: Most citizens don't go to county meetings. People don't think it should be business all the way to Loveland. County Commissioners make last decision. Audience: Definition of what this planning can do. Understand under R-P no high rise allowed. John Moore; Planned Residential, I didn't realize it would be anything but low density. I'm sure you could sell lots backing turnpike. Chairman: Not our`"purpose. Mrs. Wood: Move to recommend approval. Mayor Bennett: Seconded. All Ayes. Item #7 #41-67 Consider Hoffmans Unit Development Plan with M-L, Low Density Mobile Home Zoning. 8.61 acres, 50 units. Charles Hoffman: Added one unit. Storage buildings are on the wrong side. They should be on the North side. Middle rows are wrong. Recreation unit is right in the middle, and 8 units on each side. Bob Engelke: Only thing that might be a problem is the additional. unit. Charles Hoffman: Six mobile homes per acre is allowed. We have 8.61 acres, two swimming pools, all grass . Here Planning 8 Zoning BoOd Page 5 • September 5, 1967 we exceed required area for amount of recreation lb area. Behind is all grass. Trash bins on wheels picked up by tractor. Mrs. Wood: Miami Store areas should pgssibly be included in plan. Board: Yes, detailed as possible. Charles Hoffman: Plan to put small swing set for picnic area or baseball area for kids, etc. Chairman: Final consideration? Bob Engelke: Yes. Chairman: Unless council bounces back. Mayor Bennett: The plan on file should be scratched and filed correctly - trash and additional units included. Mrs. Hoffman: Trees go 30 feet farther back. Mrs. Wood: Storage units really in prospective? Mrs. Hoffman: Yes, they really are quite large. Mayor Bennett: How specific do we get? Lynn Anduss: Now since we are going more and more detailed on the map and on file. Mayor Bennett: The way to avoid misunderstandings is we need to show show this. details. Put a legend at the bottom to Mr. Coffey: I move that we recommend approval of only if complete drawing is presented in detail. Lynn Anduss: Seconded. Mrs. Wood: Height of tree included? Charles Hoffman: We can't really when we started out we got the biggest we could. They are 15 feet, but we can't get any 12 feet yet. Do we have to have the councils approval on every little thing. How big is a major change? Mrs. Wood: Take to Planning Office. All Ayes. Item #8 #42-67 Consider Elliott - Miller Subdivision Fifth Filing R-L, Low Density Residential Zoning - Ten Lots. Bob Engelke, We have in the Planning Office a total of 12 foot easement where you have the land. Asking additional utility easement of 6 feet. Al Miller: Letter? Bob Engelke: Same as on the Fourth on Ponderosa and Cypress both. We asked for an additional :6'.foot easement. Charles: With the letter of understanding of the easement, I so move. ann Anduss: Seconded. All Ayes. Item #9 #37-66 Consider relocation of Utility Easement in Leisure Village First Filing. Slight error in placement of the four-plex of, I believe of four feet. Asking move easement. the easement over the util., measurement efrom nback Of lofating house. Chairman: What would happen if we didn't do it? lynn Anduss: I so move. Ken Pastor: Seconded. All.Ayes. Planning & Zoning BC* Page 6 • September 5, 1967 Item #10 #43-67 Consider Rezoning Petition from R-L, Low Density Residential to R-M, Medium Density Residential Zoning. We annexed the area B zoning at sometime preparing new zoning ordinance. Concerning R-M, what happened? Lot of confusion over Overland Trail and Prospect, this got lost. Recommendation from Planning and Zoning to get a street from Clearview to Prospect. Concerned to get people down to school and restrictions to Duplex's. Charles Rhoades: Where is the school? How about Banyon Street? Al Miller: It is about 200 feet at the most. Chairman: How far from Banyon to Prospect? Al Miller: one-fourth mile. Bob Engelke: Three blocks to Lake and one to Prospect. Moore: A path? Al Miller: We have a contract with Mr. Fuquay for Banyon Street. I did the work on it to get it. Laid water line to new school. Mr. Coffey: Reluctant to add load without assurance of thru way. Lynn Anduss: Usage of the land? Al Miller: 1965 zoned B, it was washed out even after finalized. Following Thursday no discussion Mr. Allen suggested replatted. Tabled for two weeks. February 17 did resolve problem. Focal area was not the area. Oversight on March part. We have four duplexes now in R-L Zone. Applied for building permit two years ago. • Chairman: Have opportunity to discuss this on Banyon Street. Al Miller: I'll sure talk to him. Five more lots on each side of Cypress. I"ll give my letter. I wonder if this is what you want to adhere to this duplex zoning, or was this an error? Bob Engelke: I think the B Zoning, the triplexes not allowed. This a throw to R-M. Charles Rhoades: Looks like a sore finger. Al Miller.:. We have filed fourth and fifth. Mayor Bennett: Remains? Mr. Coffey: French figured out a deal on it. Al Miller: We have been three years getting this far. Two issues should be divided. We hate to have this. Mr. Coffey: Answers by next Thursday? Al Miller: I'll try to. I'll be glad to talk to Mr. Fuquay and do what I can. Mr. Coffey: I would be perfectly willing to pass it on to Council. I want the dedication now. This may be a case of putting in a temporary road now. Al Miller: We bought it prior to school. We think two things unrelated. Do you feel we have not kept our part of the agreement? Mr. Coffey: We both are in a comedy of errors. Mrs. Wood: More sensible for someone else to talk to him. Mr. McGraw: As a resident of the area I think the area should be kept a single dwelling area rather than double. Planning & Zoning • Page 7 • September 5, 1967 Mrs. Woods: Table? Mr. Coffey: Pass with stipulations that if doesn't get Mr. Fuquay to act this returns back to this Planning and Zoning Board. I want it to come from the end of Banyon all the way to Prospect. Mrs. Miller: Improvements? Mr. Coffey: All I want is a place to put a gravel road through if I need to, and I think I need to. Therefore, I so move. Bob Engelke: With regard to restriction on duplexes. Mr. Coffey: Yes! Mrs. Woods: Seconded. All Ayes. Item #11 Meeting Adjourned. Respectfully submitted-, 4005!�-�i' Robert 0. Engelke Acting Recording Secretary ROE /sd •