HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning And Zoning Board - Minutes - 07/24/1985PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MINUTES
July 24, 1985
The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board was called to order at
6:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers, 300 Laporte Avenue, Fort Collins,
Colorado.
Board members present included Tim Dow, Gary Ross, Laurie O'Dell, Sharon
Brown and Alternate Linda Lang.
Staff members present included Linda Hopkins, Ken Waido, Steve Ryder,
Elaine Kleckner, Bonnie Tripoli, Sherry Albertson -Clark, Jan Shepard, and
Kayla Ballard. Legal staff was represented by Steve Roy.
Chairman Dow welcomed the public to the meeting and asked Ms. Hopkins to
review the consent agenda which consisted of: #40-85, Opera House Block
Building PUB - Preliminary; #4-80D, Scenic Views PUB - Final; #198-87C,
Greenbriar Replat - Final Subdivision, and; #20-85B, Breakwater Estates
First Filing - Final Subdivision. Item #3, #19-84A, Maple Street Apartments
- R-M Site Plan Review - Final was continued until the August meeting.
Member Brown requested that Item #2, Scenic Views PUB - Final be pulled for
discussion.
Member Ross stated he will abstain from voting on Item #4, 198-78C,
Greenbriar Replat - Final Subdivision, due to a potential conflict.
Member Brown moved to approve the consent agenda which consisted of Items
1, 4, and 5. Member O'Dell seconded. Motion to approve passed on a 5-0 with
Item #4 vote 4-0.
#4-80D - SCENIC VIEWS PUB - FINAL
Elaine Kleckner gave a description of the property.
Jim Gefroh, Gefroh and Associates, introduced Blair Kiefer, the applicant.
He stated staff concerns have been addressed on this project.
Member Brown stated she requested this item be pulled so she could vote no.
Ms. Kleckner gave a staff report recommending approval. There is also a
recommendation for approval for the off -site improvements and a variance
request. Funds are being escrowed for the eventual construction of Overland
Trail, therefore, the variance is in order. The building and landscape
plans have been improved and conditions met.
Member Ross moved to approve Scenic Views PUB Final based on the fact that
it is in compliance with the preliminary approval and the conditions that
were set on that approval. Member Lang seconded. Motion passed 4-1. Member
Brown voted no because of the proximity of the canal to the buildings, the
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alignment and regimentation of the buildings, the setbacks on the southeast
corner of the site, the density on the western boundary of the UGA and the
sameness of the buildings.
k56-85 - FOOTHILLS AREA URBAN GROWTH AREA BOUNDARY AMENDMENT
Ken Waido gave a description of the UGA Amendment request and a history of
the UGA. Staff is recommending approval based on the following factors: 1)
the change is strongly supported by the City and County comprehensive
plans; 2) water utilities, designated for uses other than urban
development, have been eliminated through the construction of the new water
storage facility; 3) the boundary change will give more realistic guidance
to the public and private sectors about future utilization west of Overland
Trail; 4) the change will place an annexation requirement on development
proposals in the area; 5) as properties are annexed, the zoning designation
will have a condition placed on them that the development must proceed as a
PUD; 6) the sewer utilities capacity restraints will make it difficult for
development proposals to achieve high residential densities west of
Overland Trail; 1) the community's open space will be helped; and, 8) the
aesthetic views of the foothills can be reviewed on a case -by -case basis so
view impacts can be minimized. Recommendation of approval is not intended
to allow urban development on any privately -owned land in the area that is
west of the natural hazard line.
Chairman Dow asked if there would be any benefit in attempting to include
publicly -owned land.
Mr. Waido replied that at this time there is no benefit it include
publicly -owned lands.
Member O'Dell asked what would happen if the land was developed on the west
side of one of the parcels and was not adjacent to the City.
Mr. Waido replied that there are several phasing criteria in the Inter-
governmental Agreement that apply to properties that are not eligible for
annexation into the City that are in the UGA. These criteria include the
provision of public water and sewer, an off -site road improvement
requirement and an emergency services requirement. The waiver criteria are
designed for an infill site and not development in a peripheral location.
Member Brown asked if amendments to the UGA are normally from specific
applicants and not by staff.
Mr. Waido replied that a precedence has been set to allow staff to bring
forth a boundary change to the governing entities. The precedence was the
A/B UGA Amendment.
Alvin Miller, surrounding resident, asked if the UGA is extended to the
west, is it mandatory for annexation to proceed in a set time frame.
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Mr. Waido stated that annexations is a phasing element within the
Intergovernmental Agreement and that annexation would be required for
contiguous properties. In order to force annex property, the city limits
must completely surround that property for at least 3 years before
annexation can occur. All annexations have been voluntary.
Rex Miller, surrounding resident, asked what happens to the existing
subdivision that was approved by the County. It was agreed that those
property owners would not oppose that subdivision based on the density that
was established by the county and certain trade-offs as far as green space
adjacent to their property. He understood that any development that is
adjacent to the city that wants city utilities must annex.
Mr. Waido stated that the County has agreed not to rezone any property or
approve any subdivision or PUDs which are eligible for voluntary
annexation.
Mr. Miller asked that if this is approved and there is an existing master
plan with the County and they begin development, would they be obligated to
annex.
Mr. Waido stated that a first phase of the subdivision in addition to the
master plan has never been finalized. A subdivision has to be accepted by
the City upon annexation if it is an officially approved subdivision. This
could be negotiated with the developer at preliminary plan stage.
Mr. Miller asked that once this is passed, does it put this under the
grounds of the point system.
Mr. Waido replied that it has been the policy of the City to condition
annexations to be developed as a PUD. Any annexations that occurred in this
area would also have a similar condition in their zoning.
Mr. Miller stated he understood that the number of units that could be
placed on that ground is substantially higher than what is currently there.
Chairman Dow stated that there is no assurance as to the ultimate density
but there are some strict practical limitations given the total size of the
area and the economics of development that would require and constitute
enough benefit to the developer to put in major off -site water and sewer
and street improvements. The transferable development does not appear to be
a viable option.
Mr. Miller stated that this subdivision was passed by a trade-off. Will the
developer come back and say now that he has to be within the County, he can
not afford to do it "this way" because the cost of development is too high.
The City would like him to believe that the reason none of this ground was
included in the UGA is because they could not service it with water. This
is not the case. The case is they called in their own expert witnesses to
say pollution was a problem, hazardous building conditions were a problem,
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etc. They are turning around and saying those things do not count anymore.
What will be the City's policy 5 years from now? If this is passed with no
assurance of a density ceiling, the City may decide they need a park out by
Timnath. The City's position is too flexible. This should be taken into
consideration before a decision is made.
Chairman Dow stated that every landowner in the City has that concern
because development is under the guidance system.
Mr. Miller stated he would feel more comfortable if the situation that
needs to be addressed is what happens to the subdivision that was just
passed by the County. Would it stay the same? Would the density be limited
to that density? He does not want to fight 12 dwelling units per acre 10
years in the future.
Member Ross stated he may have to fight the County anyway if they decide
they want to do it there, too.
Mr. Miller stated he would like to see a limitation set as to the number of
dwelling units per acre allowed on this ground.
Dennis Vetter, surrounding resident, asked what the process is by which
this amendment would be passed.
Mr. Waido replied that the item is heard by the Planning and Zoning Board,
then a recommendation would be made to City Council by that board. Then
City Council would make a recommendation to the County Commissioners. The
County would have the final decision.
Mr. Vetter asked that since the industry in Fort Collins is slowing, where
is the growth demand to expand the UGA. Are there adequate existing
transportation and utilities? Will the impact of this urban amendment
request upon the immediate neighborhood vicinity be a positive one? What is
the public's reaction? He stated property owners were notified just a few
days prior to the information meeting held on July 8th, after the holiday
weekend, and that they were not notified of the Planning and Zoning Board
meeting.
Chairman Dow stated there will be at least two more hearings to discuss
this proposal. There was also a public worksession 2 weeks prior to this
meeting that was publicized.
Mr. Waido stated the coordination of the notification to the property owners
was done by Jill Bennett of Larimer County Planning.The Coloradoan did
publicize the meeting prior to it on July 8th.
J.R. Astell, 218 Overland Trail, read and presented a letter from Mrs.
Levinger which was signed by surrounding property owners opposing the
extension of the UGA (see attached letter).
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Barbara Munn, property owner, stated that at the July 8th meeting, the
majority of the people at that meeting opposed the propose amendment.
Norman Holmes, property owner, spoke in favor of extending the UGA because
it is a logical extension of the City, the utilities are already in place,
Overland Trail will be enlarged and it is logical to do this all at once.
Ruth Burns, property owner, spoke in favor of the proposed amendment.
Albert Barnes, property owner, stated he was opposed to the UGA extension
unless there are strict restrictions.
Member Brown asked if the land were annexed, who would be responsible for
the off -site sewer improvements.
Mr. Waido replied those would be the responsibility of the developer if the
existing facility is not adequate to provide the necessary capacity to
allow development.
Member Ross asked if there was anything that stimulated this study at this
time or is this just a logical extension in completion of studies done in
the past with staff thinking that this would eventually develop rather than
doing it on a "piecemeal" basis.
Mr. Waido stated that what brought this up was the Overland Trail subdivi-
sion and discussions that staff has had with the County Commissioners in
relation to that development. The County Commissioners initially wanted the
City to annex that subdivision into the City. The City pointed out that in
the Intergovernmental Agreement it agreed not to annex property outside the
UGA without first amending the UGA.
Member Lang asked how the approval process is affected or is it protected
and could it be changed if approved now.
Mr. Waido reiterated what was told to Mr. Miller. If this UGA is approved,
the process would include the County Commissioners hearings in October.
When the development came in for final approval of various phases of the
master plan, negotiations would be attempted to develop annexations of
those pieces of ground and design of City's standards for streets and storm
drainage of that development.
Member Brown asked if this is approved, can the developer propose a new
master plan with a higher density.
Mr. Waido replied yes, but the Water and Sewer department would review the
availability of the utilities of that proposal.
Member Ross moved to recommend approval of the Foothills Urban Growth Area
Boundary Amendment as presented. Member Lang seconded based on the controls
of the LDGS and good continuity. Member Brown stated she was voting no due
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to no growth demand for this area, urban sprawl will be closer to the
foothills, there are adverse environmental impacts in the area and the
location is inappropriate for higher density. Chairman Dow stated he would
be in support of the proposal based on the boundary being intended to be
flexible and control of future development. Member O'Dell stated this is
not an easy decision and the Board needs to look at the controls of the
future development. Motion to recommend approval passed 4-1 with Member
Brown voting no.
#37-85 - STUART URBAN GROWTH AREA BOUNDARY AMENDMENT
Ken Waido gave a description of the proposed amendment recommending
approval to the County.
Jim Martell, representing Jim Stuart, spoke briefly describing the existing
and surrounding area. This proposal should remain as a separate application
based on the fact that the issues are different than the Foothills UGA
Amendment.
Member Ross moved to recommend approval of the Stuart Urban Growth Area
Boundary Amendment. Member Lang seconded. Motion to recommend approval
passed 4-1 with Member Brown voting no.
p65-82G - FAIRBROOKE MASTER PLAN AMENDED
Steve Ryder gave a description of the property.
Randy Larsen, Larsen & Associates, spoke regarding the changing of the
location of the day care center to Tract G and having a residential use in
its place.
Member Ross asked Mr. Larsen how he would approach the school children
crossing on Hampshire Street.
Mr. Larsen stated this would be addressed at site plan approval.
Mr. Ryder gave staff report recommending approval.
Member Brown asked if the day care center were not originally included
would it have changed the approval of the facilities.
Mr. Ryder stated that Tract B did not take any credits for a child care
center. Lower density is in Tract E so there is no requirements.
Member Lang moved to approve the Fairbrooke Master Plan Amendment. Member
Ross seconded stating this is an improvement over the previous one seen by
the Board and the interior buffering is at a better location. Motion to
approve passed 5-0.
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565-82H - SOMERVILLE AT FAIRBR00KE TRACT C - PRELIMINARY
Steve Ryder gave a description of the property.
Randy Larsen, Larsen & Associates, stated the setbacks in the front yards
would be 20 feet, 15 feet in the back yards, and a 5 foot sideyard. There
will be garages on the sides of the units, consolidated driveways with one
curb cut each and 36 foot wide streets. The landscaping would be of street
trees, evergreens and flowering trees. There will be on -lot landscaping
which will be handled by the buyer and under architectural control of the
developer. There will be a variety of elevations and colors of the
buildings.
Member Brown asked if there will be any treatment of the canals behind the
properties, either by fencing, landscaping or maintenance.
Bob Mooney, Larsen & Associates, stated on the final landscape plan
provisions will be made to seed grass along the ditch banks. No specific
recommendations have been made by the ditch company.
Member Brown asked what the distance is from Building 1 and 2 to the ditch
right-of-way.
Mr. Mooney replied there is a 6 foot utility easement but a 7 foot sideyard
setback will be used.
Member Ross asked if the ditch company has a road along the ditch.
Mr. Mooney stated there are no roads currently. The ditch is new and has
been realigned.
Member Ross asked if there are any roads anticipated along the ditch.
Mr. Mooney replied they are having discussions with the ditch company now
for a sewer line agreement.
Mr. Larsen stated there is no road and none has been requested but there is
space available.
Member O'Dell asked if the surrounding area except to the east is vacant.
Mr. Larsen stated this is in R-L Tract E Phase One and is under construc-
tion. To the north and northwest and east of Tract C is Charleston PUD.
Mr. Ryder gave staff report recommending approval with the following
conditions: 1) engineering improvements must be completed by final
application; 2) additional points on Density Chart must be gained; and, 3)
modify landscaping to mitigate bulk of buildings. A letter in opposition of
the project from the Simons was presented to the Board.
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Member O'Dell asked if one unit were eliminated, would the amount of
required points be raised.
Mr. Ryder replied it would depend on the density but would be difficult to
anticipate.
Chairman Dow stated this proposal merits approval with the conditions as
stated. He asked when the improvements that are underway would be
completed.
Mr. Ryder replied that the developer plans to complete the engineering
improvements as soon as possible and staff recommendations are based on
that assumption.
Chairman Dow asked if this tract is by the same developer as the others.
Mr. Ryder replied yes.
Member Lang moved to approve Somerville at Fairbrooke Tract C - Preliminary
with the three staff conditions. Member Ross seconded. Motion to approve
passed 4-1 with Member Brown voting no because of the mass and bulk of the
buildings.
#27-85 - BURGER INN PUD - PRELIMINARY AND FINAL
Elaine Kleckner gave a description of the property.
Larry Mickelson, applicant, spoke regarding the landscaping, the need of
this type of business on North College and the traffic impact on the
property.
Member Brown asked for the colors and location of the building signage.
Mr. Mickelson stated the location and size of the sign is similar to the
drawings but simpler and further apart. The sign will be of natural redwood
or a yellowish color which the franchise prefers. There is currently no
freestanding sign planned for in front of the building.
Ms. Kleckner gave staff report recommending approval stating the traffic
flow is acceptable, a 20 foot additional ROW dedication can be made in the
future and the building materials, signage and landscaping are acceptable.
The LOGS review does not achieve the required points due to the small
property not needing to be master planned. This is why staff is asking for
a variance to the point chart on this project.
Member Ross asked how the north and south curb cut will align.
Bonnie Tripoli replied the curb and gutter will be built at the asphalt
level so there will not be an area where the street indents.
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Chairman Dow asked what the distance is from this site to the proposed
expressway.
Ms. Kleckner stated it appears to be 150 feet from the location of the
future ROW and even more from where the ramp would occur in the preliminary
design of the expressway.
Chairman Dow asked if there is a plan for a right turn -in deceleration
lane or will this occur only if the right-of-way is eliminated.
Ms. Tripoli replied that a right turn -in deceleration lane was not
necessary.
Member Lang asked what hours Burger Inn would be open.
Mr. Mickelson stated from 6 a.m. until midnight.
Member Lang stated the parking lot is well lit.
Chairman Dow asked what the shading is on the sun room.
Mr. Mickelson replied that it screens most of the sun with optional shades.
It will not be reflective and will mostly be used for heating in the
winter.
Member Brown asked if the number of parking spaces is adequate to
accommodate 70 sit-down customers.
Ms. Kleckner replied it is within the range of recommendation by city
standards.
Member Lang moved to approve Burger Inn PUD - Preliminary and Final and the
Point Chart Variance. Member Brown seconded. Chairman Dow stated an
amendment to the motion should be included stating the developer is to
restrict a left turn movement exiting onto southbound College Avenue if
requested by the City of Fort Collins or the highway department. Members
Brown and Lang concurred. Motion to approve passed 5-0.
#146-79H - RAINTREE COMMERCIAL PUD - PHASE 1 TRACTS Q, B, C - REVISED
PRELIMINARY
#146-79I - RAINTREE COMMERCIAL PUD PHASE 1, TRACTS A & B - FINAL
Steve Ryder gave a description of the two properties.
Frank Vaught, ZVFK Architects, stated the purpose of the entire parking lot
being requested for approval is to present a more finished look to the
entire center and benefits to shared parking. Concerns addressed are: 1)
right turn curb cut on Shields has been eliminated; 2) Tract C building pad
setback has been increased to 30 feet; 3) improvement of landscaping has
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been addressed; 4) 8 existing trees have been identified and preserved;
and, 5) architectural style is compatible with the center. He briefly spoke
regarding the landscaping and fencing and showed slides of the area.
Member O'Dell asked where the parking entrance is off of Drake Road and
Tract C.
Mr. Vaught stated the entrance is channelized to prevent continuous flow in
front of the food store. This will rise up going north. The setback varies
from 45 feet to parking on the north and increases to 55 feet in the
southeast corner.
Member Brown asked if changes have been made from north setback in Tract A
and west setback from internal drives.
Mr. Vaught replied the setback is 42 feet from the north and approximately
15 feet from curb with no changes on the internal drive.
Member Brown asked if any changes have been made in Tract c.
Mr. Vaught replied the north setback increases 30 feet due to visibility
purposes.
Mr. Ryder gave staff report recommending approval of both projects.
Member Brown moved to approve Raintree Commercial PUD Phase 1 Tracts A, B,,
and C Revised Preliminary. Member Ross seconded. Motion to approve passed
5-0.
Member Brown moved to approve Raintree Commercial PUD Phase 1 Tracts A and �
B Final. Member O'Dell seconded. Motion to approve passed 5-0. .
196-81A - WILLIAMSBURG PUD - PRELIMINARY - ONE YEAR EXTENSION
Steve Ryder gave a description of the property.
Howard Jones, 1805 Kedron Court, represented Mr. Stover, the applicant. He
stated Mr. Stover has been an active participant in the special improvement
district in the area that has cause Shields Street to be improved and the
intersection of Horsetooth and Shields to be improved. He stated the storm
sewer, sidewalks, and streets have been addressed. Mr. Clark, a resident
of the area, has a problem with the median strip required by the City. This
makes it difficult to exit from his driveway. This is not Mr. Stover's
problem. What is being asked of Mr. Stover regarding access.
Mr. Ryder gave staff report recommending approval with the following
conditions: 1) the final site and utility plan meet engineering and fire
requirements; 2) the quantity of materials be increased in quality of
design and the final landscape plan be improved as suggested in the staff
report; 3) the applicants provide four vehicular access from the
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undeveloped property on the northeast corner to Richmond Drive at the time
of final submittal; and 4) final building elevations be provided for all
buildings in the project and indicating all exterior materials and colors
as part of the final submittal.
Mauri Rupel, stated the connection of Williamsburg PUD to the Clark
property will be moved away from the intersection. City standards are 200
feet and the City asks that this be an exception and move it back to 165
feet. The City has asked the Clarks for a right-of-way on their property
with two points of access.
Member Ross asked why give this particular site two points of access.
Mr. Rupel replied this would be primarily for fire safety access in case
one access gets blocked off.
Member Ross asked why Mr. Stover's property should carry the burden of the
second access.
Mr. Rupel replied that the criteria was set by the Board at the time of the
Williamsburg Phase 1.
Howard Jones stated the alignment on Richmond Drive reduced the parking and
screening on Stover's property. The width of the right-of-way would make a
substantial difference. Does Mr. Stover provide an easement and that is it
or will he be asked to provide for another mans' property with the curb,
gutter, streets, landscaping and sidewalks.
Doug Konkel, representing Mr. and Mrs. Clark, gave a description of the
Clarks' property and their access points on the property. He requested that
Mr. Stover either agree to live up to the implied representation or that
the City does not grant the extension.
Member Ross asked what would happen if Mr. Stover's ground is not developed
and someone buys Mr. Clarks' house to put in 18 units. Will Stover have to
grant an easement and build the access?
Mr. Konkel replied that this plan was proposed quite a while ago and
everyone has acted in reliance on it. This is merely a proposal and not an
agreement on MR. Stover's part. The real problem is if Mr. Stover never
makes a decision. The Clarks' are not concerned about the location of the
second access as long as they can get to Shields without going completely
out of their way.
Member Ross asked what Mr. Konkel's opinion is if the access is granted but
the street is not built.
Mr. Konkel stated Mr. and Mrs. Clark just want the access. They do not
expect Mr. Stover to put in the curb and gutter.
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Mr. Roy stated if Mr. Stover develops and continues to owns the ground,
there will be requirement of an easement. An agreement can not necessarily
be made on the extension of this plan.
Member Brown asked if the city has any liabilities since they are the ones
that installed the medians that cut off the access to the north.
Chairman Dow replied that this is what is being discussed in the eminent
domain proceedings in terms of what the compensation would be.
Member Ross asked that if this extension is granted would it extend it to
where it was subject to any conditions that the Board may put on it such as
bringing the landscaping up to current standards. If this is already on the
plat wouldn't this continue to stay on the plat if extended?
Mr. Roy replied yes.
Chairman Dow asked Mr. Konkel for his opinion if this extension were
denied.
Mr. Konkel stated that if denied it would be a benefit for the Clarks. They
could then ask the Mr. Rupel why should Mr. Stover get the road when the
Clarks and Mr. Stover are in an equal position. This would create a lot of
problems for the Special Improvement District and this is not what the
Clarks want.
Mr. Ryder stated that the City would require that point of access through
Richmond Drive especially if it is an emergency access.
Mr. Jones asked for clarification of "access" versus "easement".
Mr. Konkel stated all his clients are asking for is an easement and a
commitment that this will exist across Mr. Stover's property at a location
that is agreeable to him and the City. Where it is located on his plat is
acceptable to all concerned.
Chairman Dow stated the Board should approve or deny just the extension and
not to redefine the points of access. He then asked Mr. Ryder why Mr.
Stover requested six months and staff is saying is for a one year
extension. Which time period is is being requested?
Mr. Ryder stated that Mr. Stover's request is for six month but staff felt
a one year extension is more appropriate when being presented to the Board.
Either six month or one year extension can be granted.
Chairman Dow stated that the Board should go with a six month extension as
opposed to a one year extension.
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Member Lang asked that if all of the previous extension requests not been
approved, would there be all these problems with Cunningham Corners and
Richmond Drive.
Mr. Rupel stated that yes, these extensions would present problems. They
did influence the location of Richmond Drive as far as Cunningham Corners
is concerned.
Member O'Dell moved to approve the Williamsburg PUD - Preliminary - One
Year Extension with conditions and staff recommendations. Member Ross
seconded stating condition 13 should be changed from "access" to
"easement". Member O'Dell concurred.
Member Ross stated that it should be made clear that the Board is not
saying "either" "or" should pay for the easement.
Motion to approve passed 4-1 with Chairman Dow voting no because enough
extensions have been requested.
Meeting adjourned at 10:35 p.m.