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November 17, 1986 Minutes
The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board was called to order at
6:32 p.m, in the Council Chambers of New City Hall, 300 Laporte Avenue,
Fort Collins, Colorado.
Board Members present included Dave Edwards, Sandy Kern, Laurie O'Dell, Don
Crews, Tim Dow, Sharon Brown, Linda Lang and Alternate Bernie Strom.
Staff members present included Tom Peterson, Ken Waido, Elaine Kleckner,
Joe Frank, Jim Newell and Kayla Ballard.
Legal representative was Steve Roy.
Tom Peterson gave the Agenda Review stating that Item 2, /13-82L Oak Ridge
Village PUD, Phase II — Final; Item 5, i21-83D Brittany Knolls PUD
—Final (only); Item 6, #166-793 Park South PUD Second Filing — One Year
Extension of Final Approval, and; Item 14, #73-86 Western Gas Exemption
and Special Review have been continued to the December 15, 1986 Planning
and Zoning Board meeting. Mr. Peterson then gave the Consent Agenda which
consisted of: Item 1, Minutes of the October 27, 1986 Planning and Zoning
Board meeting; Item 3, :51-84A Hampshire Square PUD — Preliminary; Item 4,
i21-83C Brittany Knolls PUD — Preliminary; Item 7, t64-86,A East Vine 8th
Annexation and Zoning; Item 8, /65-860A East Vine 9th Annexation and Zon—
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Laporte 7th Annexation and Zoning; Item 12, #69-86,A Hansen Annexation and
Zoning, and; Item 13, /70-86,A Lake Sherwood Annexation and Zoning.
Mr. Ray Nauta, 1200 E. Vine Drive, requested that Item 7 be pulled for dis—
cussion.
Member Dow abstained from voting on Items 7,8,9,10,11,12 and 13 due to a
Potential conflict. Member Dow moved to approve Items 1,3,4 and the Preli—
minary only of Item 5. Member O'Dell seconded. Motion to approve passed
7-0.
Member Brown abstained from voting on Item 13 due to a potential conflict.
Member Brown moved to approve Items 8,9,10,11 and 12. Member Kern seconded.
Motion to approve passed 6-0. Member Dow abstained.
Member Lang moved to approve Item 13. Member Strom seconded. Motion to
approve passed 6-0. Members Dow and Brown abstained.
EAST VINE 8TH ANNEXATION AND ZONING — /64-86,A
Tom Peterson gave the staff report recommending approval.
Ray and Judy Nauta, owner of 1200 E. Vine Drive, commented that they are,
again, being annexed into the city.
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Mr. Peterson replied that this area is eligible for annexation because of
four other annexations that have happened in this area which include the
Carpenter/McAleer Annexation to the north and east in December of 1982, to
the southeast Vine Drive 6th Annexation which occurred in August of
1983 and to the west the Carpenter/McAleer Annexation in December of 1982.
These were public hearings and the property owners would have been notified
of the hearing.
Mrs. Nauta stated that they were notified in 1982 of the hearings but not
notified in 1983. They were not aware that they were surrounded by other
annexed properties. She stated they have a concern with the R-L-P zoning.
They have had their commercial shop in this area since 1966.
Mr. Peterson stated that the R-L-P zoning proposed by staff will allow this
commercial shop to continue. He suggested that if they wish to discuss
another type of zoning for this area the staff would be happy to meet with
them to discuss what they are entitled to do in the R-L-P zoning.
Mr. Nauta asked if the staff could propose this property at the current zon-
ing instead of changing the zoning. He stated that the zoning has been
changed on this property twice already.
Chairman Crews stated that the zoning will permit any existing uses to
become legal.
Mr. Nauta stated that if he were to resell or change the use he would have
to go through rezoning again. When he first purchased the property in 1966,
the zone was 0-Open. At that time he was allowed to do what he wanted. Then
the zoning was changed. A few years later he added on to the building and
his contractor said he needed a permit because the zoning had been changed.
Mr. Nauta requested to know where he stands and that he would like to have
this property zoned Commercial instead of R-L-P. He understands that he can
continue his operation under the R-L-P zoning but if wants to sell the
property in the future he would have to come back before the Board for a
zone change.
Member Kern stated that since the surrounding area is basically some level
of residential, the idea is to permit Mr. Nauta to do what he is doing now
and anyone else who would buy the property from him could continue oper-
ation. The idea is to prevent the property from being used for something
that would be more intensively commercial, which would be a real disruption
to the potential development in this area. The level at which he is cur-
rently using his property could continue as an existing legal use. If the
property were to change in the future, it would change to be in conformance
with the surrounding uses.
Mr. Nauta stated that the surrounding area is more valuable as a commercial
area than residential. He was concerned that a buffer zone between
the residential and commercial should be about 500 feet.
Chairman Crews stated that under the R-L-P zoning, commercial and residen-
tial uses are permitted if an approved PUD is secured. This is only if the
use changes.
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Member Brown stated that how the property
can continue that way without a PUD. If,
other owner would like to change the use
would have to come before the Board. The
impact on the property would change. The
use of this property.
is being used is a legal use and
in the future, Mr. Nauta or some
on that property, then the owner
reason for this is because the
Board is not trying to limit the
Mrs. Nauta asked if houses are planned for the area facing the railroad
tracks.
Member Brown stated that this would be reviewed as development occurs and
this will be up to the developer and the planning staff.
Mr. Frank stated that some master planning has occurred in this area. North
Lemay Avenue adjacent to Andersonville and Alta Vista will be downgraded to
local street and Lemay Avenue rerouted from in between those subdivisions.
The master plan is for a mix of land uses. South of Vine Drive is planned
to be light industrial uses. This piece of property presented some problems
for staff because there was an existing commercial use but in reviewing the
long term goals of the city and trying to preserve this as a residential
area, the commercial zoning did not seem to be compatible with the sur-
rounding neighborhood. The R-L-P proposal would not exclude a commercial
use from occurring but could be proposed as a PUD after following the pro-
cess and meeting the criteria. The R-L-P zone is a long term goal of the
city. The staff is exploring a land use plan for the Vine Drive and Lemay
Avenue area. Mr. Frank also explained change of uses and zoning for this
area.
Steve Roy stated that if the ownership is changed or the lease hold is
changed, it does not matter unless it is a change to another non -conforming
use. This means a type of use that is not included in the zone. If the use
is changed to a kind of use that is permitted in this zone, there is no
requirement to come before the Board. But if it changes from this non-
conforming use to another type of non -conforming use, regardless of who
owns the property, then it would have to be brought before the Board for
review. If the buildings were expanded in the existing no -conforming use or
if operation ceased for a period of one year or more, then it would have to
be brought back before the Board. This is the way the City Ordinances are
written.
Member Kern moved to table this item to give the applicant and the owner
time to discuss the zoning with staff. Member Strom seconded the motion.
Motion to table this item passed 7-0.
HARBOR WALK PUD - PRELIMINARY - #62-86
Member Dow joined the Board at this time.
Member Edwards abstained from discussion and voting of this item due to a
potential conflict.
Elaine Kleckner gave a description of the property.
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Bob Huber, HMW Development, briefly described the proposal.
Ms. Kleckner gave the staff report discussing the land use, density chart,
design, transportation and neighborhood concerns. Staff felt that the land
use was supported by the Land Use Policy Plan because it contributed to a
mix of residential densities in this area. This project is 6.18 units per
acre on a gross density basis. The Density Chart that the Board was given
is not correct. An additional 20 points should be added due to the neigh-
borhood center and a major employment center being in this area. The total
points on the chart should be 90 points which is sufficient for this pro-
ject. The project design meets staff approval and is compatible with the
surrounding area which includes exterior materials, fencing and landscap-
ing. Staff has asked the developer to address the site plan at time of
final submittal in regards to the crowding of Unit 12 with the surrounding
area. Staff feels that the setback should be in the neighborhood of 20
feet. In terms of transportation, Staff feels that the street system in
this area will continue to operate in an acceptable level. The Traffic
Impact Study recommends that center left turn lanes should be installed at
both Lemay intersections of Harbor Walk Drive and Breakwater Drive to
facilitate the left turn 'movement of northbound traffic. The neighborhood
was concerned about levels of traffic on Lemay Avenue and Ticonderoga. The
City Traffic Engineer is reviewing how the collector street concerns can be
addressed. The Traffic Engineer is monitoring the speeds on the collector
streets and, .in some cases, he has reduced the speed limits on those
streets. He is also recommending that stop signs be installed where the
collector streets come together. Another neighborhood concern was project
design and density. The neighborhood expressed a strong desire to see miti-
gation on the adjacent property and some felt the density was too high for
this area. Staff recommends approval with the conditions that; (1) Unit 12
setback on Harbor Walk Drive be increased; (2) an encroachment permit for
the Lemay Avenue retaining wall be obtained prior to final PUD approval;
(3) the landscape plan be refined to show shrub plantings and to address
site distance on Lemay, and (4) access drive design be finalized following
review by affected city staff.
Member Kern asked where the guest parking would occur on the site.
Ms. Kleckner stated that single family units are required to provide two
parking spaces per unit. Overflow parking is being provided within the cen-
ter island. There is a total of 15 spaces.
Member Brown asked if there would be any on -street parking other than what
is designated on the median.
Ms. Kleckner replied that they would discourage parking there but the 32
foot width would allow overflow parking. Emergency service needs 24 feet to
go through the drive.
Sam McLean, residing across Lemay from project, stated he had concerns
about the proposed residences being too close together and he was concerned
that there should be more open space. He commended Ms. Kleckner on her
fairness, attitude and professionalism with the neighborhood.
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Richard Patterson, 4100 Mt. Vernon Court, commented that Ms. Kleckner did a
fine job in representing the city. He stated his concerns about a possible
traffic problem. He felt a better traffic system should be developed. He
stated that there is fast and heavy traffic coming off of Lemay Avenue and
there are concerns for the safety of the children in this area.
Ms. Kleckner replied that the City Traffic Department is willing to work
with the school district to possibly move the bus stop. They will continue
to work on this particular concern.
Member Brown asked Mr. Huber if the pads are just building pads.
Mr. Huber replied that there would be three styles numbered 1 through 3 and
the pads would be numbered 1 through 31. He showed the Board the plat and
explained how they are working the lot numbers and styles. He then proceeded
to describe the buildings from the model that was presented to the Board.
Member Kern questioned Mr. Huber about She bedroom windows overlooking the
neighbor's patio.
Mr. Huber replied that there are no windows in the units that overlook
their neighbor's patios.
Member Brown asked about the building materials and the colors.
Mr. Huber replied that they are striving to get the most aesthetic look for
the dollar value. Brick will be the prominent material with some stucco.
Market research was against the brick and cost is a factor. Upkeep and cost
of maintenance will be a major factor. Prices for the units range from
$138,500 to $156,000.
Member Kern asked if the target buyers will be for pre —empty nesters.
Mr. Huber replied that the market analysis came back recommending post —
empty nesters or empty nesters. 40% of their market would be in these two
categories.
Member Dow asked Mr. Huber if he had any problems with the conditions that
staff has placed on the approval.
Mr. Huber replied that he sees no problem with these conditions.
Member ➢ow moved to approved the project:with the conditions that staff has
stated. He stated that the reason for the motion is that this an appropri—
ate design and mixed uses in this area and there is some variety to the
development in the area and that this is a high quality development. Member
Kern seconded the motion. Motion to approve with conditions was approved
7-0.
With no Other Business, the meeting was adjourned at 7:48 p.m.
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