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Planning and Zoning Board
6:30
Council Liaison: Karen Weitkunat Staff Liaison: Cameron Gloss
Chairperson: Jerry Gavaldon Phone: (H) 484-2034
Vice Chair: Mika[ Torgerson Phone: 416-7431
Chairperson Gavaldon called the meeting to order at 6:32 p.m.
Roil Call: Craig, Torgerson, Bernth, Carpenter, Gavaldon, Members Meyer and
Colton were absent.
Staff Present: Gloss, Eckman, Shepard, Jones, Grubb, Stringer, K. Moore, Vireta,
Vosburg, Bracke, Schlueter, Wray, Williams.
Agenda Review: Director of Current Planning Cameron Gloss reviewed the Consent
and Discussion Agendas:
Consent Agenda:
1. Minutes of the November 16, 2000 (CONTINUED), May 3 and
May 17, 2001 Planning and Zoning Board Hearing.
2. Resolution PZ01-04— Easement Dedication
3. #11-971 Fort Collins High School — Wireless Telecommunications
Equipment, PDP
4. #58-98B Poudre High School — Wireless Telecommunications
Equipment, PDP (Pulled for Discussion by Staff)
5. #11-97H Rocky Mountain High School —Wireless Telecommunications
Equipment, PDP
6. #52-82F Poudre School District — South Bus Terminal Expansion — Site
Plan Advisory Review
7. #13-99A Fossil Creek Wetlands 2"d — Annexation and Zoning
Discussion Agenda:
8. #39-94 Lind Property — Overall Development Plan
Member Torgerson moved for approval of the Consent Agenda items 1 (Less the
November 16, 2000 Minutes), 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7.
Member Carpenter seconded the motion.
The motion was approved 5-0.
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Project: Poudre High School — Wireless
Telecommunications Equipment, P.D.P., File
#58-98B
Project Description: Request to co -located wireless
telecommunications equipment on an existing
102-foot tail ballfield light pole. The proposed
equipment is located at 201 North Impala Drive
at the Poudre High School baseball field.
Recommendation: Approval
Hearina Testimonv. Written Comments and Other Evidence:
Brian Grubb, City Planner gave the staff presentation. He noted that the application is
for co -location on an existing structure — a light pole in the Poudre High School ballfield.
He added that neighbors expressed concern about the project. Staff is recommending
approval of this project.
Chairman Gavaldon asked about a previously discussed lawsuit that involved the
wireless equipment being dismantled if the light pole were to be dismantled.
Planner Grubb replied that he had that condition in writing. This condition was placed
upon the application for US West wireless that was approved on April 20, 2000.
"Approval of the Wireless Telecommunications Equipment, as a co -location on
an existing ballfield light fixture, is conditioned on the fact of the ballfield light
fixtures remaining as the principal use. If the ballfield light fixtures are to be
removed by Poudre School District, whether voluntarily or by court order or for
any reason, then.the Wireless Telecommunications Equipment shall be removed
as well."
Planner Grubb stated that even if the application were approved without this condition
and the lights were removed, the principal use would change from lights to wireless
equipment. Therefore, the application would no longer be considered a co -location and
the applicant would need to reapply.
Member Torgerson asked if it would be a non -compliant use if the Code changes.
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Planner Grubb replied that wireless equipment is only considered a co -location if it is
placed upon a structure that is primarily used for another purpose. If the lights are taken
off the pole, that is no longer the principal use.
Paul Eckman, Deputy City Attorney suggested adding the condition to an approval
motion to clarify the issue.
Drew Dewhirst, Cricket Communications, gave the applicant's presentation. He
discussed the site selection process for the carrier and stated that the Poudre High
School site seemed logical because two other light poles at the ballfield already have
wireless equipment on them. The antennas will be located 98 feet up the 102-foot pole
and the ground equipment will be located at the base of the pole surrounded by an 8-
foot tall chain -link fence and covered by a chain -link 'roof.'
Member Craig asked about the size and enclosure of the ground equipment.
The construction project manager for Cricket Communications responded that the base
station (BTS equipment) would be approximately 15' by 18' and would sit on a non -
penetrating steel platform and would be surrounded by 8' chain link fence with a chain
link structure over the top. The fencing will be camouflaged with a green mesh.
Member Craig asked if this was comparable to existing ground equipment on the other
poles.
The construction project manger replied that the proposed equipment is a little smaller.
Member Craig asked about the structure of the roof.
The construction project manger replied that it would probably have about a 3:12 slope
allowing balls to roll off.
Member Torgerson asked if the BTS units could be located in vaults.
The construction manager replied that they could be but would not be for this project.
Planner Grubb showed some slides of the site with many'before and after shots. He
stated that ground equipment takes up approximately 3,000 square feet.
Chairman Gavaldon asked for the neighborhood meeting minutes from the Poudre High
School neighborhood meeting.
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CITIZEN INPUT
Julie and Wayne Baumann, 408 S. Impala Drive, stated that they see all the towers on
the ballfield. They stated that they never received notice of the project and that when
the lights originally went up, the neighbors were told that only one antenna would be
installed on the lights and now there are two with this proposal for a third. They stated
their opposition of the proposal.
Charlotte Plaut, 2510 W. Mulberry Street, stated that her backyard adjoins the Poudre
High School ballfield. The wireless equipment makes the light poles seem much more
intrusive than they do otherwise would without the equipment. She stated that the
primary use of the poles was not to light the field, adding that Poudre had only two
lighted games this year. She stated that the primary use of the poles was the
telecommunications equipment. She stated that the neighbors were originally told that
only one telecommunications tower would be installed and that the City would only allow
co -location on existing poles. She stated that their property values went down when the
light poles went up. She stated her opposition to the project.
George Williams, 212 S. Hollywood Street, stated his opposition to the project and
questioned the meaning and intent of the co -location policy. He suggested alternative
locations for the equipment, such as along the auditorium wall of the school. He asked
what the notification area was for the project. He stated that the 500-foot limit was not
appropriate for a structure of this size. He asked what the intent of the co -location policy
was and how the School District is involved since either the City or County does not
govern it.
Mr. Dewhirst stated that the notification radius is 500 feet and that most neighbors
seemed to have problems with the light poles themselves rather than the wireless
equipment. One suggestion at the neighborhood meeting was to erect a larger tower
that could hold all the antennas and take down the light poles. He stated that the Code
asks that wireless equipment be co -located on an existing structure and this proposal
does that. He stated that the application is in compliance with the Land Use Code.
Member Torgerson asked what `stealth technology' is.
Mr. Dewhirst replied that that term indicates that the wireless facility tower blends in with
the environment in which it exists.
Member Torgerson asked if a more linear arrangement could happen on a flagpole or
light pole.
Mr. Dewhirst replied that was possible.
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Member Craig asked if Cricket had considered co -locating with either of the poles that
currently house wireless equipment.
Mr. Dewhirst replied that the other poles could not structurally handle other antennas.
The construction project manager stated that the poles were not designed to carry more
than what is already present.
Member Craig asked if they had considered using the building, as suggested by one of
the neighbors.
The construction project manager stated that the building is too low to meet the radio
frequency requirements for the signals.
Member Craig stated her concern about the land taken up by the ground equipment and
asked how big 3,000 square feet is.
Planner Grubb stated that 3,000 square feet is about the size of a large single-family
home.
Member Craig asked about the history of the statement that the neighbors were told
regarding only one pole be fitted with wireless equipment.
Charlotte Plaut replied that Ken Forest with the Poudre School District made the
statement.
Member Craig stated her concern over the possibility of that statement being made.
Chairman Gavaldon asked if one of the existing poles could be replaced with a stronger
pole in order to make it structurally sound enough to allow other carriers.
Mr. Dewhirst replied that could be done.
Chairman Gavaldon asked what the poles were primarily designed for.
The construction project manager replied that the poles were designed to carry large
lighting structures and one other lighting array or wireless equipment.
Planner Grubb stated that he could not find any information in the file regarding any
statements or promises that were made regarding having only one pole with wireless
equipment on it.
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Member Craig asked about the pole at Rocky Mountain High School that is strong
enough to co -locate.
Planner Grubb replied that is a lattice tower, which is considerably stronger than the
type of poles at Poudre High School. He added that the towers at City Park Ballfield
were designed for both lights and wireless telecommunications equipment. They are
also much larger than the poles at Poudre.
Member Craig asked why the poles at French Field were capable of co -location when
they are older than the ones at Poudre.
Chairman Gavaldon replied that the French Field lights were designed as stadium lights
and they hold more light banks than the poles at Poudre.
Member Carpenter asked about the notification process for the project.
Planner Grubb replied that the notification radius is 500 feet.
Tara Williams, Current Planning, stated that between 400 and 500 letters were sent out,
about 75 or 80 of which were returned for incorrect addresses.
Member Torgerson asked if we typically get that many letters returned.
Ms. Williams replied that we do not and that all three high school lists had numerous
returned mailings. All of the lists were from the same applicant. Many of the addresses
were apartments, which may change ownership more rapidly than other residences.
Mr. Dewhirst stated that the addresses came from the Larimer County Assessor's
Office. He stated that some changes could be made to the antennas to make them look
better. They did not want to bring up this possibility because the other two carriers in the
location were not required to do it and the antennas do not perform as well with this
different style. He stated that when antennas are placed inside a structure that looks like
a flagpole, the number of antennas drops from 12 to 3. Those antennas do not perform
as well. Basically, it would be three antennas flush -mounted to the top of the pole.
There would be very little horizontal separation from the end of the antennas to the
actual tower. This design would likely eliminate most of the aesthetic concerns the
neighbors are expressing.
Planner Grubb asked for a picture or spec sheet on those antennas.
Mr. Dewhirst replied that he did not have that. This would be a large concession for
Cricket.
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Tim Heinet, the Radio Frequency Engineer for Cricket, stated that the type of antenna is
a dual -pole antenna. It affects the performance negatively, especially to the south.
Another site, probably around Drake and Taft Hill, would need to be added to assist with
coverage. In order to address the neighbors concerns, they would be willing to flush -
mount the antennas to the pole. This would not be considered a stealth design since the
antennas would not be hidden completely. There would be about an 8 to 12 inch offset
between the antenna and the pole to allow for the mounting brackets. He offered this as
a design change for the pole.
Member Bemth asked if Wayne and Julie Baumann were on the notification list. He also
stated concern over the fact that there may have only been two lighted games at the
ballfield this year. He added that the wireless telecommunication issue may need to be
discussed at a worksession due to the volume of applications.
Ms. Williams stated that Wayne and Julie Baumann; at 408 S. Impala was not on the
mailing list and therefore must just be outside the 500-foot radius.
Chairman Gavaldon asked Mr. Baumann to point out his home on the site map. He
asked Mr. Eckman if the possibility of the 'one antenna' statement ought to be explored.
Mr. Eckman replied that he would not recommend looking at the issue. The decision
should be made based on the criteria found in the Land Use Code. If it turns out to be a
violation of that agreement, it could be enforced later. He also added that the Code
allows for other forms of notice other than the 500-foot mailing — posting and publishing.
The mailing notice is beyond the legal requirement but is done as a courtesy. The Code
states that failure to mail the notices does not affect the validity of the hearing. The legal
obligations are covered through the posting and publishing.
Member Torgerson asked if it would be alright for the Board to make a motion with a
condition that is not necessarily required by the Code.
Mr. Eckman replied that since the applicant offered the flush -mount option, there is no
problem in posing that as a condition.
Member Torgerson moved for approval of the Poudre High School Wireless
Telecommunications Equipment, P.D.P., File #58-98B, with the conditions that
flush -mounted technology as described by the applicant's engineer be
implemented and that
"Approval of the Wireless Telecommunications Equipment, as a co -
location on an existing ballfield light fixture, is conditioned on the fact of
the ballfield light fixtures remaining as the principal use. If the ballfield light
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fixtures are to be removed by Poudre School District, whether voluntarily
or by court order or for any reason, then the Wireless Telecommunications
Equipment shall be removed as well."
Member Bernth seconded the motion.
Chairman Gavaidon stated that he would support the motion because the process was
followed. He stated that he empathized with the neighbors' concerns.
Member Craig asked staff to look at the flush -mounting, stealth designs for the Fall
Land Use Code revisions. She stated concern about the amount of space being taken
up by the ground equipment. She asked Ms. Williams to check with the neighbors in
attendance to confirm their presence on the mailing list.
The motion was approved 5-0.
Project:
Lind Property — Overall Development Plan
Project Description: Request for an Overall Development Plan for a
172.61-acre mixed -use residential
development. The site is located north of
County Road 52 and east of County Road 11.
The site is zoned LMN — Low Density Mixed -
Use Neighborhood.
Recommendation: Approval
Hearing Testimony, Written Comments and Other Evidence:
Brian Grubb, Current Planning, gave the staff presentation. He spoke about the Master
Street Plan that calls for two north -south collectors. The plan provides those although
not in the exact location illustrated on the Master Street Plan. He discussed surrounding
development and alternate compliance issues. The applicant is requesting a waiver
from the contiguity requirement, which states that a development needs to be
contiguous to existing urban development. None of the properties, which are adjacent to
this site and could create contiguity, are yet developed. Other issues include the lack of
required connections along the Northeast part of the property. The applicant is
proposing a pedestrian -only crossing (as opposed to a full bike/vehicle/pedestrian
crossing) that would link to the park. Another issue is the alignment of the connections
along the west side of the property. One connection aligns with Serramonte Drive and
does not meet the spacing requirement but staff requested that it be located this way.
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Another connection with one of the streets from the Richard's Lake development is
similar. Staff is recommending approval of this project.
Jim Sell, Jim Sell Design, gave the applicant's presentation for Centex Homes. He
discussed the history and infrastructure of the site and surrounding area. He discussed
the transportation plan and street infrastructure noting that surrounding developments
are willing and ready to contribute to the road improvement plan. He discussed the
request for alternative compliance to reduce the number of connections along the ditch
property. The connectivity to the Northeast requires six connections based on 660 feet
of spacing. The plan shows two collectors, a local street and two pedestrian
connections. The other request for alternative compliance from the spacing requirement
will allow the streets to connect with existing streets in adjacent developments. The final
issue is a request for a waiver of contiguity. The waiver could be granted based on the
completion of a regional trail linkage.
Citizen Input
Joseph Bleicher, 2509 North County Road 11, spoke on behalf of many of the
neighbors along County Road 11 to the southwest of the project. He spoke about traffic
impacts along NCR 11 noting specifically an agreement made in 1997 between the
neighborhood and the Richards Lake PUD developer. This agreement would provide a
bermed frontage road along NCR 11 between Country Club Road and Richards Lake
Road.
Susie Danford, 2301 North County Road 11, stated that there is little room to walk along
the road and that traffic speeds are very high.
Mike Solenberger, 3937 Harborwalk Lane, spoke on behalf of the Gillespie ODP project
to the south of the Lind Property. He stated the importance of the developers to work
together and stated their support of the proposed ODP.
Joe Bunton, 2601 North County Road 11, spoke about the heavy traffic along the road.
He added that the Master Street Plan does not accurately depict the road. In going
north on County Road 11 just prior to Richard's Lake Road, County Road 11 takes a
pronounced jog to the left. If that were straightened out, that would alleviate the
neighbors' concerns by allowing room for the bermed frontage road.
Member Craig asked about the transportation improvements and the timeframe for
those improvements as well as why the neighbors were having to deal with so much
construction traffic.
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Planner Grubb replied that the right-of-way is being obtained to make the
improvements. The first phase of the improvements is to widen County Road 11 to
include bike lanes. Ultimately, the goal is to provide the frontage road and shift County
Road 11 to the east. The City and the neighbors have the common goal to provide the
frontage road. The process has not moved beyond that.
Member Craig asked about the Gillespie property and what its plans would show in
terms of County Road 11 and the frontage road.
Planner Grubb replied that without having a final design plan on that section, it cannot
be stated for certain that the frontage road is possible.
Member Craig asked if the PDP for Gillespie Farm had been submitted.
Planner Grubb replied that it had not.
Member Craig asked about the failing levels for the short-term and what improvements
will be made so the levels become acceptable.
Eric Bracke, Streets Department, replied that the developer was required to examine all
potential developments, both present and future when completing the traffic study. Vine
and Lemay is the key intersection in this area. Interim improvements can be made to
this intersection to maintain acceptable levels of service. He added that the build -out in
the area probably would not be complete for about 10 years but the study was done in
the short term assuming full build -out in order to provide a conservative analysis. He
stated that the funds for the intersection improvements would come from Street
Oversizing fees.
Member Craig stated that Oversizing fees go into one big pot and are doled out from
crisis to crisis. She asked if these improvements would have to wait until they got to a
'crisis' point before being funded and sit as an 'F' in the meantime.
Mr. Bracke replied that traffic operations is allocated a certain portion of the Oversizing
funds every year to do signalization projects.
Member Craig stated her concern about this project as well as the Gillespie project: as
long as the developer paves one way to and from the development, the other ways do
not have to be paved. She expressed concern over a mile -long stretch that was not
required to be paved.
Planner Grubb and Mr. Bracke replied that the section was not required to be paved.
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Member Craig asked why we were not requiring them to pave that off -site mile when
they would be adding traffic to that road.
Dave Stringer, Engineering Department, stated that we are only looking at the Overall
Development Plan and a more detailed study will be needed for the Project
Development Plan.
Member Craig asked if funding was present for the Vine and Lemay improvements.
Mr. Bracke replied that we will have the funding — it is development related.
Chairman Gavaldon asked if the applicant would like to give a rebuttal to the citizen
comment.
Planner Grubb stated that as County Road 11 transitions from a County Road to a City
minor arterial, bike lanes and sidewalks will be required.
Jeremy Klop, LSA Associates, gave a rebuttal for the applicant regarding the traffic
study completed by the company. He stated that the applicant has been in contact with
the Gillespie developers regarding the frontage road issue. This will affect the alignment
of the County Road 52 and 11 intersection and the ultimate improvements at that
intersection once development occurs.
Chairman Gavaldon asked if adequate public facilities and contiguity should be a review
criteria at the ODP stage.
Planner Grubb replied that staff views the ODP stage as making sure the proposed
improvements will ultimately make the project in compliance with our level of service
standards. The difficulty with applying the level of service standards at the ODP stage is
that we don't know who is going to submit a PDP first. The level of service standards
truly get applied at the PDP stage. He suggested looking at the 'big picture' at the ODP
level because ODP approvals may not get developed for many years. At the ODP level,
we need to be certain that the applicant is being responsible for their portion of the
improvements.
Chairman Gavaldon again asked about the failing intersections in the traffic impact
study.
Mr. Bracke replied that this traffic study is somewhat different than other studies. The
intersections are now County intersections and the appropriate solutions have not been
applied in the traffic study. The appropriate solutions will be decided at the PDP level.
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Mr. Bracke stated that he is confident that the intersections will not fail once the
improvements are made.
Chairman Gavaldon stated that the concern is still present on paper and funding is not
even in place for some improvements.
Mr. Bracke replied that the developers would be required to pay. Taxpayers may be
asked to pay for the entire relocation of the Vine and Lemay intersection but intersection
improvements will be a development -related expense.
Chairman Gavaldon asked about the frontage road and whether or not it would actually
occur.
Mr. Bracke replied that the idea is a good one and should be decided soon.
Mr. Stringer stated that the Gillespie developers have indicated that they will provide the
right-of-way to move and straighten County Road 11 to the east. This would then allow
room for a frontage road or driveway situation for the houses along the road.
Member Torgerson asked about the Vine and Lemay intersection and whether it could
be made to work if voters did not approve a tax to move it.
Mr. Bracke replied that it could not be done without taking out houses.
Mr. Klop stated that there are interim improvements that can be made, without moving
houses and without taxpayer dollars, that will accommodate all approved developments
as well as the Lind plan. If future developments come in, problems may arise.
Member Craig asked about construction vehicles and whether or not a designated route
would be defined.
Mr. Stringer replied that a deal was not made with the Richard's Lake development in
terms of a defined route. Given citizen concerns, a new route may be defined with this
project which may be County Road 9.
Member Craig asked about County Road 11 improvements and whether or not they
would just be on the east side of the road.
Mr. Stringer replied that the City has planned to collect money for the interim
improvements: 36-foot wide road with two travel lanes and two 6-foot bike lanes.
Ultimately, full improvements will be constructed. The interim improvements will not
have sidewalks but the ultimate improvement will.
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Member Craig asked about the alternative compliance of connectivity request.
Planner Grubb replied that the requirement is a spacing of 660 feet. The application
shows roads spaced at about 700 or 800 feet.
Member Craig stated that the proposal shows three street connections and asked if
there would be four if the standard were met.
Planner Grubb stated that if they meet the standard, there would be six street
connections. He added that the Code does not really provide any guidance on this
because it does not say how properties outside the Urban Growth Area should be
treated. There was no solid standard that could be applied in this situation.
Member Craig asked about the contiguity waiver based on the regional trail.
Planner Grubb replied that there would be a grade -separated crossing underneath
County Road 52 as well as underneath County Road 11. Staff encouraged this
developer to include a section of the trail with their development because they didn't
want to exclude this neighborhood from a direct link to the regional trails system. The
costs of the improvements can then be spread over three projects rather than two.
There is between 700 and 800 feet of trail.
Member Craig asked if the Master Plan showed this trail going through this corner and
the developers were paying for the two below -grade crossings or if they were providing
the City with right-of-way.
Planner Grubb replied that the developers would be funding the grade -separated
crossings.
Pete Wray, Advance Planning, replied that the regional trail is a significant element of
the Mountain Vista Subarea Plan. It is an opportunity to link further development to the
northwest. The Plan does show the trail going through a portion of the Lind parcel,
through Gillespie, and ultimately diagonally through the entire Mountain Vista Plan. The
trail was shown in an approximate location.
Member Bernth moved for approval of the request for waiver from the contiguity
requirements in accordance with the Findings of Fact and Conclusions in the
Staff Report, File #39-94.
Member Torgerson seconded the motion.
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Member Craig stated that she was not originally going to support the project. It is
positive to see the developers working with one another in a regional basis rather than
project by project. She said it was important that this did not set a precedence and
infrastructure needs to move up to development rather than having holes without proper
infrastructure.
The motion was approved 4-0.
Member Bernth moved for approval of the plan for alternative compliance in
accordance with the Findings of Fact and Conclusions in the Staff Report, File
#39-94.
Member Torgerson seconded the motion.
The motion was approved 4-0.
Member Bernth moved for approval of the Lind Property Overall Development
Plan, File #39-94.
Member Torgerson seconded the motion.
Member Bernth asked if the road alignment and connectivity issues could be discussed
at a worksession in the future.
Member Torgerson complimented Jim Sell Design and the connectivity through these
developments.
Chairman Gavaldon agreed with the development cooperation and stated that he would
support the project. He added concern over adequate public facilities. He asked if this
development should be penalized or if the next one should be. He complimented the
traffic study but mentioned concerns over the failing intersections.
Member Craig mentioned concerns over the adequate public facilities, particularly
regarding transportation. She stated that Mr. Bracke assured her that the improvements
will be made when needed and that development -based funding will be in place for
those improvements.
The motion was approved 4-0.
Other Business
The meeting was adjourned at 9:18 p.m.