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Minutes: Regular Meeting of September 17, 2003
Council Liaison to the Board: Councilman Bill Bertschy
Staff Support to the Board: Jerry P. Brown, Manager of Golf at 221-6350, and Stacy Kelley,
Administrative Aide at 416-2265
Call Meeting to Order: Chairperson Dave Johnson called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. The
meeting location was moved to the Collindale house at 1341 E. Horsetooth Road due to a
scheduling conflict at the Collindale Clubhouse.
Agenda Review: Jerry requested adding to the printed agenda an item entitled "Termination of
City Park Nine Golf Professional Agreement/New RFP", and the Board concurred.
Items of Note:
❖ Regular Golf Board meetings will begin at 7:00 p.m. starting in October.
❖ Jerry advised the Board Members that applications for Board Membership are now available.
There will be at least one position on the Board open.
❖ Jerry informed the Board that the City Manager and City Council removed drought water
restrictions. He said that City Park Nine and Collindale still has a good supply of raw water but
SouthRidge is having some difficulty.
❖ Jerry mentioned that Recreation Sports Secretary Kim Vondy had a seizure, went into coma, and
passed away September 16. Also, Megan McGrew who was a finalist for the Golf
Administrative Aide position recently passed away from a Pulmonary Embolism.
Approval of Minutes:
On a motion by Larry Buckendorf, seconded by Claire Nelms, the Board unanimously (9:0)
approved the Minutes of the August 20, 2003 Regular Meeting.
Citizen Participation:
Rich Wolny asked the Board why SouthRidge isn't fully included to use Annual Passes. Claire
Nelms said this issue has been brought up in the past. Jerry said the debt was the main reason, but
after the debt was paid it was because of financial and business reasons. It has been proven that golf
courses without annual passes make more money than those courses that offer passes. SouthRidge
made over $1 million last year alone and Collindale only made $779,000. Both courses played
around 51,000 rounds. Jerry said there is no good reason to expand the substantial discount of
Annual Passes to SouthRidge and lower their revenues, and there is no rule anywhere that says that
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the fees and policies need to be the same at all three courses. Mike Sanders explained the break
down of the three courses. Claire asked if the reason SouthRidge makes more revenue is because
they get more tournaments? Jerry said that was partially the reason.
Financial Condition of the Golf Fund
Jerry said this is the worst year for the status of the Golf Fund due to many factors including
drought conditions, construction at or adjacent to City Park Nine and SouthRidge, the popularity of
golf has declined, and the bad economy in general. Revenues are down $255,000 projected to date.
There is a downfall almost everywhere in Colorado and nationally as golf courses have taken a hit to
their revenue and rounds. Jerry said this could also be the result of the over -budding of golf
courses. In the 1980's there was a shortage of courses so consequently in the 90's there were 300-
400 courses built annually. The Denver Metro has really had a boom of courses. The last 10 years
has been "gold" for courses as golfers have been playing more, but that all changed this year. Jerry
mentioned that because of so many lay-offs and the unstable and poor condition of the economy,
golfers are being more selective with their discretionary income and playing less at various courses.
Also, this summer has had more hot weather than years past. There were several 98+ degree
weather days this summer and most golfers don't play in the middle of the day. Jerry also said that
our courses have taken a hit because of the West Nile Virus as some golfers are afraid to play early
mornings or evenings. Due to construction City Park Nine is down 16.88% in rounds played, and at
SouthRidge many players didn't know the course was even open.
Jerry said Aurora courses are down 14% or $800,000. Urban areas of Denver are competing for
golfers. More courses are trying to obtain the same golfers by using incentives such as 2 for 1
coupons. We don't offer coupons because the people who would regularly play would use the
coupons. There is some positive news though. The Storm Water Utility originally said they would
pay us back for the rounds and revenue lost at City Park Nine, but because of City Policy they are
not allowed to reimburse anyone for projected lost revenues. The way they decided to get around
this is to pay us $60,000 for the drainage easement at City Park Nine. Also, Brauns Bar & Grill will
make twice as much money as they originally anticipated. In addition, he said that typically fall
months have done pretty good in the past. Jerry said his guess is the Golf Fund will probably be
around $130,0004150,000 short at the end of the year. He has asked the Superintendents to cut
expenditures and only spend money that is absolutely needed. Jerry said that in 2004 and 2005 there
have also been budget cut backs. Jerry explained that the Golf Professionals at the three courses
have also lost at least 15% of their revenues.
Manny Jimenez said it is good to have discussions about the future of the Golf Fund now. He
doesn't want to see the Golf Division have to ask the City's General Fund for money. Mindy
Markley noted that in 1995 the Golf Fund was only 3% more in lost revenues to date and asked how
that will compare to this year? Jerry said the reason why it was down in 1995 was because of the big
rains and losses in May, but from June to December revenues remained good. Compared to last
year, City Park Nine is well below anticipated mainly due to construction. Grant Sherwood wanted
to know the comparisons between the expenditures and the revenues, and if they were different at
each course. It would help to have the individual comparisons. He also asked where the impact was
coming from? Jerry answered that City Park Nine rounds are down the most (16.88%) primarily
because of the construction, Collindale rounds are down 7.9%, and at SouthRidge overall rounds are
down 10.41%. Jerry said leagues are a big money maker, and he is also looking at ways to recruit a
dozen or more new tournaments at Collindale. He also said that City Council generally isn't
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concerned about the Golf Fund so long as we pay our own way. Claire Nelms said she is hopeful
that next year will be better.
Jerry said we have postponed almost all Capital Improvements and Equipment purchases in 2004.
He also said he had to put into the budget the possibility of increasing the amount of Employee
Salary and Benefits that probably won't be spent so he does have some wiggle room Mindy said it
is wise to be cautious. Mike Sanders said we shouldn't make decisions in a crisis mode. Jerry also
mentioned that the Golf Fund might not have to pay the City's General Fund Transfer until we are
out of the red in a given year. Larry Buckendorf asked if the Transfer savings are a waiver or
deferral. Jerry said it was a deferral and we would just carry it. Don Braun, a Fort Collins Resident,
asked what kind of shape Loveland was in? Jerry said Rod Chapman, Loveland's Golf Manager said
his revenue isn't necessarily up but with their coupons their rounds are steady. Jerry mentioned
there is going to be a Golf Administrators Conference on October 8 and the Golf Administrators
would be able to get an idea how other golf courses in Colorado are doing.
Jerry also provided an update of CLRS Service Area cuts and impacts. Don Braun mentioned about
his tournament in Loveland. Jerry said we now need to be more liberal and look for ways to
increase play on our courses. Jerry said we may add more leagues at City Park Nine and at
Collindale. Also, the Golf Division has made a video tape for commercials and corporations. He
has contacted the Fort Collins Convention and Visitors Bureau and he is impressed with their
response. He said we are trying to advertise in ways we haven't done before. Bill Rutledge made the
comment that we should try something like the way the Mad Russian advertises. The Board will
continue to monitor this issue.
Investigating Further Options to Extend Golf Opportunities for Youth
Jerry reminded the Board that the City Council has put on the Work Plan to Investigate Further
Options to Extend Golf Opportunities for Youth in Fort Collins. Jerry said he thinks this topic is a
very important one because the youth of Fort Collins are the future of Golf rounds played in Fort
Collins. He noted that Councilman Bertschy mentioned virtually everyone from last year's Golf
Board Applicants wanted to see more for opportunities for the youth of Fort Collins. Jerry said that
there are already many golf programs in place for youth in the community and maybe we need to
look at how to reach and inform those folks who are unaware of our programs. He did say however
due to the cost of the program that "Fort Collins Fore Kids" might be eliminated next year. The
Board made it clear that they would like to be involved with the decision making if this was the case.
Mindy Markley asked if there could be a brochure that would include all the programs we offer for
youth? Claire Nelms asked if Sean Duff could outline our youth programs in his column in the
Coloradoan? Jerry answered that Sean makes his own decisions about what to write about in his
columns. A brochure is very possible.
Claire asked if the youth have to pay for the lesson program? Collindale's Golf Professional Jim
Greer said yes and there are group lessons. He has never seen any youth turned away due to
financial situations. He said that he would like to see all the PE coaches in the School District called
to inform their youth of Golf programs. Mindy said there are issues that face youth to be able to
join these programs including transportation. Jim Greer said the fees aren't unreasonable, and Bill
Rutledge said we should continue to let the High Schools and Junior High Schools play at our
discounted rates. Everyone concurred. Jerry also mentioned that in the past some under -privileged
kids have been brought over to the courses from the Northside Azdan Center. Mike Sanders said
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he thinks we are very reasonable as far as youth are concerned. Mindy said the best way youth could
learn the game of golf is to play with their parents. Jim said the three Pros have always hired kids
for help with the driving ranges. Larry Buckendorf suggested that the youth programs be included
on the Golf Website and also in a brochure as well as ads in the Kids section of newspapers.
Termination of City Park Nine Golf Professional Agreement/New REP
Jerry informed the Board that Mike Goff has decided not to renew his contract for City Park Nine
Golf Course in 2004. Mike has had some difficult health issues and he told Jerry that if he can't do
business like is expected he doesn't want to do it. Jerry said he needs 2 Board Members to be on the
RFP Review Committee. Grant Sherwood and Claire Nelms volunteered to be on the committee
and Larry Buckendorf volunteered to be the alternate. There were no objections from the Board.
Other Business
❖ Jerry explained to the Board about the Fossil Creek Trail situation. There are currently three
options. There was a City Council Public Hearing last evening and it was discussed whether or
not the trail should be located through the SouthRidge Golf Course. Park Planning and
Development Manager Craig Foreman strongly discouraged this to City Council. Mike Sanders
made a motion to send correspondence to Council not to approve the trail on the golf course.
Mindy Markley seconded the motion. The Board approved the motion unanimously (9:0).
❖ Mike Sanders requested that the Board send a "Thank You" to Mike Goff.
Adjournment:
The Board unanimously (9:0) approved the motion made by Mindy Markley, seconded by Larry
Buckendorf, to adjourn at 9:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Stacy`Kelley
Administrative Aide
Meeting Attendance
Board Members
Staff
Guests
Larry Buckendorf
Claire Nelms
Jerry P. Brown
Don Braun
Lauren DeRosa
Bill Rutledge
Jim Greer
Pat Finnegan
Manny Jimenez
Mike Sanders
Stacy Kelley
Shane Houska
Dave Johnson
Grant Sherwood
Tom Salt
Mindy Markley
Rich Wohry