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CITY OF FORT COLLINS
NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
281 N. COLLEGE
October 1, 2003
Joint Meeting with Parks & Recreation Board
For Reference:
NRAB: Randy Fischer, NRAB Chair -
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Eric Hamrick, Council Liaison -
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John Stokes, Staff Liaison -
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Parks&Rec: Paul Van Valkenburg, Chair -
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Bill Bertschy, Council Liaison: -
Marty Heffernan, Staff Liaison -
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NRAB Board Members Present
Nate Donovan, Arvind Panjabi, Kelly Ohlson„ Linda Knowlton, Randy Fischer, Clint
Skutchan, Ryan Staychock
P&R Board Members Present
Ann Hunt, Greg Miller, Paul Van Valkenburg, Jessica Macmillan, Dean Hoag, Lance
Freeman
NRAB Board Members Absent
Phil Murphy, Sam Otero
P&R Board Members Absent
Mary Carlson, Del Price
Staff Present
Natural Resources Dept: John Stokes, Terry Klahn, Mark Sears, Susie Gordon, James
Birchler
CLRS: Jackie Rael, Craig Foreman, Marty Heffernan
Guests
Steve Maddon, CSU student
Tim Johnson, Transportation Board
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Agenda Review
No Changes
Citizen Participation
Tim Johnson said it's interesting how culture changes over time. When the NRAB met
with the P&R Board the first time, the question was how many acres of developed park
lands we should have. Open lands was an alien concept. I'm gratified that the idea has
come so far, and that the public has supported it so enthusiastically. The tax extension
last year was a great thing, now we can have a regional focus. We have to do as we do
with other resources. With water, we don't just look at water within in the City. This
also fulfills the expectations of the voters. I would like to urge both boards, especially
the NRAB and staff, to consider a strong emphasis on water shed protection. There are
the obvious ideas of riparian habitat and water quality. It's real important to the
community. I would like to have people look at Spring Creek for land close to the flood
plain. If you travel the trail and go Stover to the east, there are oxbows that come in close
to where they will be pinching off the stream. They should be put in public ownership.
We don't want to armor our watersheds through the community. That's what flood plain
regulations are about. I would also like to look at trails. Two thumbs up for the trail from
Drake to Horsetooth. One begins to get a feeling of what it will be like to have Mason
Street, only one street to cross. It's family oriented. In the future I would like to be sure
that P&R pushes for underpasses at Drake, Horsetooth and Harmony. We have to get
into those long term plans. With regard to Spring Creek, I have one negative thing. At
the trail by Taft Hill there are problems with wildlife getting caught. In addition, the
double fence prevents wildlife from using the creek as they need to. We need to find
additional right-of-way. Where we have enough space, we should not always run the trail
so close to the stream. They need to get pushed back a bit. The trail could be pulled back
a bit, maybe 10 yards, and let the wildlife use the creek.
Natural Areas Policy Plan Update
Mark Sears thanked the boards for allowing him to make the presentation. He said the
natural areas staff is in the process of updating the Natural Areas Policy Plan. It's
currently ten years out of date. The program has evolved greatly. What we're seeking
input on is the framework plan for future land conservation, that natural areas staff has
developed over the last six months. It's a flexible planning document that will serve as a
guide for land conservation over the next ten years. It's just one chapter of the NAPP,
which we're renaming the Land Conservation and Stewardship Master Plan. Land
conservation is the focus. We're seeking public input, and making presentations to
Boards and Commissions. We plan to present it to City Council at a worksession on
December 9. The rest of the master plan document will be completed in draft form
during November and December, and be ready for public review in January and
February, and hopefully going to a Council worksession in March.
• MacMillan: In the Meadow Springs Area, and the two areas up north, are there
specific properties that you are aware that there are willing sellers? Is that why you've
targeted those areas up to Wyoming?
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• Sears: Last summer we came up with the focus areas from a task force of local
resource managers and land conservationists. There were about twelve people
involved. We took a variety of resource maps, from the DOW, Heritage Program, US
Fish and Wildlife, agricultural maps, Community Separators, floodplains, and water
sheds, and went in and circled the areas with the highest density of conservation
values. That doesn't mean there aren't other properties we're interested in. We felt
this is an area the City of Fort Collins should have an influence on. Yes, we're aware
of property owners in both of the bubble areas.
• Ohlson: Those big blurbs are based on science. We know we won't acquire all of the
land. But it's not a political call, it's based on science.
• Hunt: How do you interface with the other agencies? You don't want to be fighting
each other.
• Sears: Larimer County staff and I meet every two weeks. We also meet with The
Nature Conservancy fairly frequently. We interact with the Legacy Land Trust. As
we get opportunities in those areas, we'll work with all of those partners to see what
combination makes sense.
• Freeman: Do you have a percentage of the $23 million designated in the next ten years
that will be spent regionally. How much do you project being spent north as opposed
to west and surrounding areas?
• Sears: We're looking at a large natural area in the southwest portion. We've already
partnered with Larimer County on the Indian Creek property.
• Freeman: Do the closer ones have a higher priority than the ones in the north?
• Sears: We feel they are. There's a higher development threat. Indian Creek had
already been subdivided. There are other parcels that will be under threat of
development in the next few years. There are opportunities in the Laramie foothills
and Meadow Springs Ranch. This allows us to be a partner with agencies who will
take the lead.
• Freeman: What is the County's projection of purchasing land up north, conservation
easements, or fee simple?
• Sears: Both. The Nature Conservancy is active, as well as the County. We may just
piggyback and help them with some of their deals. Over the second five years we see
ourselves purchasing a natural area in one or both of those bubbles for regional
recreation opportunities. Think how far you travel to recreate. A trip to RMNP is a
day trip. It's nothing for people to drive two to three hours for recreation. Those two
bubbles are less than 45 minutes from town. The scenic views along 287 are
something we all value. They are incredible scenic vistas, soon to be gone if they're
not conserved.
• Donovan: So you're not focusing on local properties to the exclusion of the regional
properties.
• Stokes: What we're trying to do is be proactive and reactive. We may have
opportunities unexpectedly. We want to be flexible. Partnerships are important to us,
especially in the regional area.
• Hunt: When you mention recreational opportunities in bubbles to the north, are you
looking at fee simple?
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• Sears: Yes, we have to in order to have the access.
• Stokes: Apiece of property next to Fort Collis might sell for $10,000 to $20,000 an
acre. We're trying to leverage our dollars through conservation easements. We'd get
a lot more conservation bang for our buck.
• Freeman: I find the conservation easements problematic. There's no access to them.
My concern is we're not putting so much money into conservation easements, in lieu
of putting money into closer properties. Even if it's $50,000 per acre, there's more
value for the citizens. Don't put so much into conservation easements that we can't
buy the expensive tracts. You don't have to drive to them, you can walk, or ride a
bike. There's value in that. I know there is value in the ones that are 60 miles away,
but to me, anything we can preserve closer in has a higher priority.
• Sears: That's the kind of information we're looking for tonight. One of the things
we're running into locally is the limited land available. We've worked hard over the
last 11 years. We've contacted all of the property owners of land we're wanting to
purchase.
• Ohlson: I agree with Lance. I tend toward the fee simple for lots of reasons. I know it
will be a mix. Sometimes people wont sell.
• Sears: One benefit of a conservation easement is that it doesn't preclude a fee simple
purchase in the future. If a land owner is willing to sell a conservation easement,
we're wise to take it, in hope that in future years it can be fee simple purchased.
• MacMillan: When the citizens voted for the extension of the natural areas tax they
were not thinking of land so far away. The people want close in access. If they want
to walk their dog they don't want to have to drive that far. If folks want to steal an
hour just to get away it means it has to be closer to home. Citizens are looking at
surrounding themselves with areas of beauty and peace and quite that they can recreate
in, passively or actively, as well as be in.
• Stokes: Right now we've got four projects that are really hot. Two of the four are
right in town, and the two others are a little further out. It's going to be dynamic.
Sometimes we have to respond to opportunity. What we're trying to do is add
structure to guide us. It's a hard thing to do, create that balance. We've struggled to
understand what regional meant in the context of the ballot.
• Van Valkenburg: In general we're in agreement. When this presentation was made to
City Council by your predecessor, none of the things she said represented anything to
do with any recreational values in any of these lands. Recreation is on the list of
criteria, but there's no representation. How do you take that value and put it in the
purchase mix. How do you get the recreation piece?
• Stokes: It's a huge factor. In the property we're looking at, that's one of the key
questions on the table. How are we going to provide access and manage recreation?
One driving reason is that it offers tremendous recreation benefits. It's very much a
part of what we do on a day to day basis. The property I mentioned a few minutes ago
is an estate. One of the reasons to acquire it is for a trail in the future. It's speculative
because we don't own the land next to it. Recreation considerations are very much a
part of our thinking.
Freeman: Who in the process is providing the input to you on recreation
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• Sears: Our own staff.
• Freeman: Would it be appropriate to involve recreation, and say, "hey, here's a
property, let's go look"? There is certainly a different perspective between NRD staff
and Recreation staff. Certainly you can decide what ever value would be a good
process to involve recreation.
• Stokes: Sometimes that might be helpful. Sometimes if we're in the heat of
negotiations we're pretty close to the vest. Often times we have to protect privacy
• Sears: It's no different than in the past when we've developed sites that are open to the
public.
• Freeman: I'm looking more pre -deal. Recreation could weigh in and say this is a 11
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• Fischer: We do have a form that we use to analyze every property. People are coming
to us. We're perceived as a major player. We run these properties through this spread
sheet that we've developed. We do have a process. There are evaluation criteria in
looking at lands. To address your concern, this new land conservation section of the
new master plan is fairly riddled with recreational emphasis. We know through
working with the County and Parks & Recreation staff that we're pretty much in sync
with what each other are doing. When staff goes up and looks at a property, the
recreational values are known. We know what properties we need to get to connect
trails.
• Ohlson: The people who did these ballot issues have no intention of closing lands off.
We want to recreate, and we're not stupid. You wont have support if you're not going
to be able to recreate, or have appropriate access. I honestly think we're on the same
page 97% of the time. All of the areas are different. We probably wont have
motorcycle rallies, but I see sledding, plains parks, mountain parks, picnic shelters.
• Sears: Of the 7700 acres we currently manage, we have 1100 acres of conservation
easements. The other 7600 acres are intended to have public access at some point.
• Donovan: It might help if P&R Board members went to the Fossil Creek Community
Park management plan. It's heavily weighted toward recreation in terms of what the
management plan addresses. That's a good example of how recreation was
incorporated.
• Ohlson: Staff has heard my criticism that we have to get these areas opened to the
public as fast as possible. But, we have to do it right
• Staychock: This is interesting and very difficult personally. I voted for the open
space. I would like to see areas preserved 50 years down the line. And, I'm pro -
recreation. I'd like to speak on behalf of the vegetation and the critters. Recreation is
an interesting issue. It does degrade some of the natural environment. I would like a
trail going by all native vegetation, but if it's an important wildlife corridor, we will
have conflicts. I'm thinking mostly regional. Maybe it's appropriate to have limited
recreation. But with trails, come cars, leaks, trash, maintenance issues. I'm not anti -
recreation, but it's a good decision to not have recreation on some areas. Studies show
that people displace wildlife. It's stressful on the habitat, we have to take that into
consideration. That's why it's a sensitive issue.
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• Sears: That's what we see as the vision in the large bubbles. They have found big
horn sheep scat on ship rock in the last year.
• Panjabi: The main focus of natural areas is to protect the resource for future
generations. While developing recreation we have to consider the impacts and
develop it appropriately.
• Sears: We're also trying to protect the experience. Maybe instead of ten miles of trail
you only have five, but the quality of the experience may be much better. If we don't
manage it closely, the very thing they go to see and enjoy may not be there.
• Ohlson: Clearly we're wanting to protect the resources.
• Staychock: Sometimes we may not be able to provide that human involvement.
• Ohlson: Most people would agree. It's all specific. We have seasonal closings built
in, and trails closed in sensitive seasons. It's because it makes sense scientifically.
• Sears: What I didn't hear is if there's any real concern about the balance. I hear that
local land should be a high priority. I think we're there, and that we've balanced it.
• Sears: It's up to the P&R Board if you'd like to take any action, or if you want to
make a recommendation. We'll gather your input from tonight, and we'll encapsulate
it as best we can and give it to Council for review.
• Donovan: It would be good for the P&R Board to have a copy of the chapter.
• Stokes: We can provide that, give us a couple weeks. We're getting input now so we
can edit the chapter. It's in relatively decent shape right now.
• Van Valkenburg: We will have a regular meeting on the 4`h . We can have this on the
agenda then.
City Plan Update
• Van Valkenburg: This plans seems interrelated to the NAPP. It seems that we're
going from dealing with natural areas to a system of open lands of which natural areas
are a part. What struck in me looking at City Plan things was that they're using the
natural areas umbrella for all of that, rather than starting to break it out. The plan
Mark presented tonight starts not talking as just natural areas, but bigger connotations.
I'd like to know how the NRAB sees that evolution, and how it relates to City Plan.
• Fischer: We agree, the update of City Plan will incorporate a much broader scope of
land conservation than was in the previous versions. NRD staff made extensive
comments. I've heard from several people who think City Plan is a mess now, with
references to open lands, parks, natural areas. I think there does appear to be a need
for clearer definition of the terms. It would be helpful. When you talk about land
conservation people aren't talking about parks in the traditional sense. Most people
agree with that, but then people say parks are open lands. How do you distinguish?
There are some kinds of semantic issues that need to be dealt with. I'm not sure how
to do that. Someone needs to go through City Plan again and clean it up. Natural
areas are one of many kinds of open lands. We need good definitions of natural areas
and community separators too.
• MacMillan: We might want to talk about regional open lands. They are not close to
the community. In my mind they're regional and they're open lands. What does that
imply? What is appropriate recreation? When you define what open land is, do you
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define recreational access for each area? For natural areas it implies not much access
at all. They want to leave natural areas untouched. It's a visual recreation more than a
walk through recreation. Open lands present opportunities. What percent of open
lands might be able to be accessed?
• Ohlson: I've tried to drive a stake through the phrase "passive recreation. We should
strike passive out of all reference to open lands. It's silly to have a word in there we
can't define. Every single management plan and open space property would have a
different variety and amount of recreation. It's not possible to define an appropriate
percentage of land, or miles of trails. Some areas have more resource values for
recreation. I don't want to tear apart your definition, but it's not working for me. It's
impossible to define. There are some specific ballot languages that do guide this.
• Knowlton: I agree with Kelly. "Appropriate" is appropriate to a specific situation.
There's no hard and fast definition of what is appropriate.. I have a problem with the
words undue harm. "Undue" certainly opens up a door. How do you define that?
And, "human impact activity should be generally protected". That's wishy-washy.
Each situation must be looked at separately.
• Ohlson: I would ask you to consider not focusing on definitions, but rather on
concepts that we agree on. I see no limits to recreation if its appropriate, and agreeing
on it piece by piece, based on what's appropriate.
• Van Valkenburg: Would you think its appropriate for there to be more interaction on
the purchase and development of management plans. We've been out of that loop. I'd
like to see staff and our board involved in the recreational parts of the management
plans.
• Ohlson: There are people sitting around and pounding it out. I don't think we have to
technically do it.
• Fischer: I cant recall a management plan that's been completed in the last three or four
years. The County Master Plan was all done by the County. We didn't have much
input, they made it real clear the County was doing it. That's the last management
plan we've seen. I agree with Kelly. It comes down to the fact that we haven't made
any major purchases we've written management plans for. I'm perfectly comfortable
with working with different boards and appropriate staff developing management
plans. But, I do think trying to develop a real hard and fast definition of appropriate
recreation is full of pit falls.
• Donovan: Both boards can be involved in management plans. But, on the acquisition
end, the more people we get involved is problematic. There's logistics and it could
jeopardize the confidentiality and acquisition process.
• Freeman: The definitions are insignificant. I want to get back to the process think.
Until Randy and Kelly and I started doing the trails committee, there was no dialogue.
There needs to be dialogue. I'm not concerned about the document, there's a process
to go through regarding management plans. We're not trying to make your
management plans, but we probably have a perspective that might help, and at the
same time we can better understand your perspective.
• MacMillan: I've enjoyed listening to everyone's perspective, and appreciate Kelly's
comments. I think we're very parallel. We have to plan for generations to come. Our
part of that planning is to look at population growth. Along with that comes the need
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to provide recreation. You just flat run out of space to accommodate everything.
We're not a little town, we're becoming regionally oriented. My biggest concern is
down the road, are we going to have the ability to provide for the next 10-20 years the
kind of recreational needs the public demands? How do those needs fit into the
acquisition of land while at the same time being respectful of the preservation of what
we have as a natural resource around us. We as two boards need to be good in our
communication. It's going to take a spirit of cooperation and communication going
forward.
Pay As You Throw, Susie Gordon & James Birchler
Gordon said Bircher has been assigned to amend the ordinance that's been in place since
1996. If you live in the City of Fort Collins, and you're not an apartment dweller you
have curb side recycling. It's surprising how much participation there is. The citizens
are always looking for opportunities to recycle and reduce their waste.
• Stokes: Are the reduction goals per capita, or total volume?
• Gordon: Total volume.
• Stokes: What is the progress?
• Gordon: If you ask me right now I'd say it stands at about 26%. Our data is squishy.
In the State of Colorado Fort Collins is the only community with any data, maybe
Boulder. It's a chronic situation. Loveland runs their own trash service so they have
reports.
• Skutchan: How much extra waste has been generated because of the loopholes?
• Birchler: It's related to how many residences are actually covered. The low end of the
estimate is 12,500 residences are not feeling the effect of PAYT.
• Skutchan: Out of how many?
• Gordon: Advance Planning will say about 55,000 residences.
• Birchler: It's a huge percentage.
• Gordon: New subdivisions have HOA's governing their structure. It's a significant
number of people.
• Skutchan: Is this the biggest contributor to not reducing by 35%?
• Gordon: It's not true that they're not recycling if you ask me. Will that number get us
another 5%? That might be the high end.
• Birchler: It's hard to quantify, but it will have an affect.
• Donovan: Do you have an idea of the number of consolidated accounts.
• Gordon: That's not stipulated in the language of the ordinance.
• Donovan: So you have no idea of the consolidated accounts?
• Gordon: When we talked to Council about districting the haulers begged them not to
do it, but to leave it to the market.
• Donovan: Do you have the ordinance language?
• Ohlson: I'm glad you brought out the environmental stuff and recycling. There's
another issue here. It's fairness and equity, the cost to the planet. It affects all of us.
There are direct economic costs of land fill. You must come up with a system that's
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fair and just. It's not just about recycling. Everyone should pay the same amount per
bag, unit, gallon. There's where we need to get to.
• Donovan: This says haulers must ensure people are informed, but it doesn't say
haulers are prohibited from contracting with the HOA for a 96 gallon can.
• Birchler: They're not prohibited from doing that. A HOA is a legal entity. Residents
sign up to be under control in some way.
• Donovan: That's a cop out. That doesn't accomplish what we're trying to accomplish.
• Gordon: This is a free market. We can not tell the haulers what to charge. We're not
telling them what the price is. They know the cost of providing service. They know
the rock bottom price.
• Donovan: Can a resident in an HOA have the ability to pay $6 for a 96 gallon can?
The City isn't accomplishing what it's trying to get at.
• Gordon: If you bought a house and you agree to the covenants, then you've got to go
through your internal process to make changes.
• Donovan: We've done it with previous covenants. The City Council said the prior
contracts are void.
• Fischer: The problem is you're making a policy decision to go against an adopted City
policy by allowing these HOA's to break the law. If they get together and say we're
going to let dogs run off leash, you would say you can't do that because there is a
City-wide ordinance. You're standing there and saying you're not going to require the
HOA's to comply with adopted City policy. You cannot pass a resolution that
effectively breaks the law of the City of Fort Collins. That's simple logic. I don't see
the problem. I don't see why the City attorney is reluctant to do this. Your
prerogative is to implement adopted City polices. If you're worried about upsetting
the HOA's, that's too bad. It's adopted City policy, and you're an employee of the
City.
• Ohslon: I have never been more disappointed in a recommendation. The NRD has
been the biggest obstacle in every single process related to PAYT, trash hauling and
recycling. It is so tentative, scared and unwilling and to move. It is frustrating. The
directive from Council was to close the loophole. This does not close the loophole
• Ohlson: We didn't have problem when the City overruled the HOA's on xeriscaping„
clothes lines, solar panels and compost bins. This is even more valid. If the City is
sued the City will win. It's an existing City policy. This literally doesn't go with
Council direction. It's disingenuous and shameful. It would be more honest to scrap
the program. I'm very disappointed in the players, as well as the recommendation.
• Gordon: This is all going back to where this is imbedded in the code. It in the trash
haulers licensing, all of the issues that apply to how they structure their rates we have
defined. Now we say we're broadening this to include HOA's. It's not a license kind
of condition.
• Donovan: We could say that haulers, as a condition of their license, may not enter into
contracts where they only provide one level of service.
• Gordon: I think we can write that. We didn't come with our minds set against what
you guys have to suggest. The question is, what kind of appetite does Council have to
go against the HOA's? Their points can be interpreted as being valid.
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• Skutchan: In your meeting with the attorneys today, what is it about it that concerns
them from a legal perspective?
• Gordon: They have a covenant. The City is not party to that. It's construed that the
City is interfering with the contract the HOA has with the residents.
• Donovan: If the HOA says we want 96 gallon cans, and the hauler provides it, it's not
clear that's a violation of the ordinance as its written.
• Panjabi: You cant determine rates, but you can determine structure. Why cant we
affect this on the other end. Why aren't the haulers required to PAYT at the landfills?
• Gordon: Larimer County is in competition with other landfills around the area.
• Knowlton: I want to make sure that I'm paying the same rate as everyone in the City.
It's an equity issue.
• Gordon: Its rate fixing.
• Staychock: I live in a HOA. I pay $110 a month for water, garbage, etc. I don't know
if all o four many goes into a fund, and they pay trash out of it. Maybe the HOA's
need to the members know of the situation.
• Stokes: If this thing was codified, wouldn't it force haulers to offer a true unit based
cost. It would require those people to pay more. They would pay a penalty for
throwing away more.
• Donovan: We haven't seen the language. It requires them to say we'll offer two or
more levels.
• Stokes: Because they're going to be required to offer a bid from low to high, they cant
do the low bid anymore. They're going to have to elevate the whole price structure.
The risk the hauler takes is to get a contract he cant make money on. That's the theory
behind the unitized process.
• Ohlson: Council direction was not to play around with this. The Council directive was
to close the loophole.
• Gordon: The reason they're offering these low rates is their competition is playing
hard ball. The only way they can retain the contracts is to offer the deal of the
century.
• Fischer: The thing about this, everyone will be on a level playing field if we make the
right choices. No one will have a competitive disadvantage. The other thing I really
disagree with, it should not be inclement upon individual members of the HOA to get
them to follow City policy. That's why we have elected officials and a representative
form of government. I cant stress the fact too strongly, we are dealing with an adopted
City policy. That trumps anything the HOA's have to go on.
• Birchler: We did ask the City attorney if we could keep the HOA's from negotiating
group rates. We can go back again and ask the question in a couple different ways.
• Skutchan: We don't want to throw out the idea of consolidation. There are a number
of benefactors. I can understand offering better deals for that.
• Stokes: It's ok to have consolidated accounts as long as individuals in that HOA have
the right to chose an option, and pay the same rates as their neighbors. Nate had a
good idea, how to make it part of the licensing thing. The hauler must contract for "x"
level of service with every customer, the contract must include a choice.
• Ohlson: There's no way the haulers wont love this. They'll be paid more per unit.
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• Gordon: Let's not assume they're consolidated.
• Ohlson: It was never the HOA's The haulers have fought every single change we
have ever done. I'm tired of hearing that. You serve the general public.
• Stokes: I would be surprised if they moved away from consolidated accounts. It
doesn't make sense to change peoples bills. They want one number, if they were
being honest they could say we saved $5000 on trash bills because of the unitized
system, and guess what, we'll distribute those saving back to the people, or we'll
change everyone's bill, because as a group we're saving money. How do you resolve
that issue?
• Donovan: That's where the HOA and neighbors resolve that issue.
• Skutchan: We're not taking care of the HOA's, we're taking care of the larger
citizenry.
• Gordon: What Carrie told us is if the HOA says you have 3 levels of service, they
charge you like your neighbors. Your HOA or property manager is sending out three
types of bills. They don't want to do it.
• Donovan: The City shouldn't tell the HOA's what they can charge to get the incentive
of throwing less trash out. It's going to work itself out.
• Skutchan: The more people become aware the more incentive there is to cut back.
• Fischer: It's the fairness and equity issues. There should be three levels of service at
what ever price. That's fine. I don't think consolidated accounts will go away
because of that. If you have an account with 300 people, there are efficiencies. They
would be legitimate.
• Ohlson: The board thinks you can do better on this.
• Gordon: We're on Council agenda for October 21. We'll push this back at least four
weeks.
Approval of Minutes
With the following change the September 3, 2003 minutes were approved with 6 votes in
favor, and one member (Kelly Ohlson) abstaining.
Page 2, 18`h bullet: Change "I was doubting if there was a need" to "I did not believe
there was a need".
Monthly Feedback
• Kelly Ohlson said the new board members bring good ideas to the table
• Linda Knowlton would like to know what's going to happen with the Sustainability
Inventory. Stokes said he'd ask Margit to come and make a presentation
Announcements
The RMBO is hosting a workshop at Weaver Ranch on October 11. It's to show
people the value of ranches from a cultural and economic, as well as wildlife
conservation, perspective.
Skutchan asked what role the NRAB play in addressing transportation issues. Fischer
said the NRAB has really gotten into transportation issues unless they have a direct
environmental impact.
Natural Resources Advisory Board
October 1, 2003
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Adjourn
The meeting was adjourned at 9:45 p.m.
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Admin Support Supervisor