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TRANSPORTATION BOARD
JANUARY 17, 2001
5:45 p.m. City Hall West — CIC Room
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
Dan Gould
Bruce Henderson
Tim Johnson
Brad Miller
Chris Ricord
Brent Thordarson
Heather Trantham
Mary Warring
Steve Yeldell
CITY STAFF IN ATTENDANCE:
Gary Diede
Joe Frank
Tom Frazier
Gaylene Rossiter
Ken Mannon
Dave Leicester
Randy Hensley
Mark Jackson
Tom Reiff
Ron Phillips
Cynthia Scott
Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 5:50 p.m.
ABSENT:
Tom Kramer
Ray Moe
GUESTS IN ATTENDANCE:
Vicky Jacobsen
Jeremy Klop - LSA
Karla — Charlier and Associates
Mark- Bikestation, Inc.
Transportation Board Minutes
January 17, 2001
1. PUBLIC COMMENT
None.
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2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There was a motion and a second to approve the November 15, 2000 meeting minutes
as presented. Thordarson requested a substitution of words in his comments on page7.
Specifically, he requested that the word "people" be replaced with "survey
respondents." There being no other comments, the motion was called. The motion
carried unanimously with the above revision.
3. COUNCIL LIAISON REPORT
None.
4. ACTION ITEMS
None.
5. DISCUSSION ITEMS
a) TRANSIT STANDARDS UPDATE — Rossiter
Rossiter introduced the project team, which included consultants and City staff. She
explained that the Transit Design Standards and Guidelines are used by developers to
design transit stop facilities.
One of the first steps in updating this manual was to consult with various city staff.
There were two public workshops held to see what users and the general public would
like to see at the bus stops. The third step was to develop the manual.
Rossiter and consultant Vicky Jacobsen explained each of the four sections of the
manual in detail via PowerPoint presentation. Upon conclusion of the presentation,
board members had the following comments/questions:
Yeldell: What was the process for the developers? Rossiter: This document is
referenced in the Land Use Code and it says there that the developer is required to
include transit stops as shown in the Transit Standards document. Rossiter represents
Transfort/transit at the City's development review meetings.
Frazier stated that the first customer would be the city in the placement of 100
stops/shelters.
Thordarson: Why isn't the document called the Fort Collins Transit Stop Design
Standards and Guidelines? Vicky responded that this is how it is referred to in the
Land Use Code, but could eventually be renamed.
Trantham: Who would be responsible for shoveling snow from the stops? Rossiter
said that the developer is not responsible, the City is and that there is now a full-time
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person on staff that does maintenance on the stops. Trantham then inquired as to how
stringent these guidelines are compared to other municipalities. Jacobsen stated that
the guidelines represent attainable goals.
Thordarson: What percentages of the stops currently meet the standards? Rossiter: I
would say roughly 25%, perhaps.
Ricord: At each of the different types of transit stops, how many bicycle parking
spaces will be planned for each of those types. Rossiter: For type A, that is
something that will depend on looking at the actual ridership. At Type B, at least 1
bike rack that holds 2-5 bikes. Type C would potentially have none. Ricord: That
seems a bit light to me. More seem to be needed.
b) TRANSFORT/DIAL-A-RIDE & POUDRE R-1 DISTRICT TRANSIT and
SUPPORT OPERATIONS — Rossiter
Rossiter pointed out that the board received the summary in their packets, which
consists of 8 pages and that the document itself is about 90 pages. Rossiter then
introduced the team. There were two goals of the project — to increase school district
transportation service and the Transfort/DAR service without increasing the cost OR
to decrease cost without decreasing service.
The primary methodology was described and outlined on page 1 of the summary.
Rossiter discussed the sort -term recommendations, outcomes and what the challenges
& constraints are. The desired outcome is to be able to share services to schools and
the general public, consider a joint facility, implement a joint human resources
procedures on recruiting, selecting, screening, testing, training, and job pooling.
Warring asked what the negative complications were in other cities that have made
the FTA wary. Kevin spoke to the case studies stating that the bottom line is that
there are different challenges and constraints for different opportunities. The largest
is the development, operation and maintenance of joint facilities. In case studies, it
was often found that when several types of vehicles i.e., fire engine, police car and a
transit bus are all in need of repair, it was found that the transit bus was often pushed
to the end of the list. So, they are understandably very wary about using FTA funds
to put together a facility where they are going to be competing for resources.
Chair Johnson commented that the first part of the goal should be the only goal. In
other words, leave off the part about decreasing service because it is already under
served.
c) I-25 CORRIDOR DESIGN STANDARDS — Jackson/Frank
Chair Johnson requested that Jackson give a brief update on the Truck Route Project.
Jackson stated that the last time he spoke to the Board, there wasn't much interest
among the elected officials from any entity that is participating in this to form a
policy level committee, so staff decided not to do that. Right after the holidays, the
Larimer County Commissioners did a 180 and decided they do want that political
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level forum. The project team has been scrambling to try and get elected official
representatives from each of the affected germane agencies. Representing the City of
Fort Collins will be Bertschy and Weitkunat. Kathay Rennels will be the County
Commissioner on the committee.
Joe Frank then took the floor and stated that this item will be brought to the board
more than once in the next few months and that the purpose of being before the board
tonight is to give an overview and present some of the issues the project is facing.
Jeremy, with LSA, has been involved since the project's inception. Current land use
and development plans were studied and assumptions were long-term Master Street
Plan improvements; 2020 Transit Plan service; NFRTAFS recommendations for rail
service; and no additional lanes on I-25. The concept of a parallel network on either
side of I-25 and with supporting east/west arterial roadways, and improvements in
some areas is emerging as the recommended framework. Once the team decided that
was a goal, they had to ask how it could be done in 8 to 9 jurisdictions between Fort
Collins and Berthoud. How could a plan be created that everyone is going to agree
to? Over the past two months, the team has been individually meeting with
transportation planning and traffic engineering staffs in Berthoud, Johnstown,
Loveland, Windsor, Larimer County and Fort Collins to discuss options. They have
also had to consider where the TAFS rail connection ends up and how connectivity
plays a part. The product that comes out of this effort will be a proposed network for
the entire corridor and along with that network, it will not only be roadway
recommendations and sizing recommendations for these facilities, but also
multimodal connections in terms of bike and ped and eventually rail connections in
accordance with TAFS and especially in accordance with projected development in
the Loveland area. It will also include feeder bus service.
A handout was distributed showing proposed I-25 corridor improvements for Fort
Collins. Jeremy talked about proposed Master Street Plan changes in terms of new
roadways and widened roadways.
Upon conclusion of the presentation, Warring asked about the cost. Jeremy stated the
estimate is in the ballpark of $200M. Warring felt that the estimate is very low and
really thinks the cost need to be adjusted. She commented that the truth is, once the
interstate starts to fail, people are going to get on the parallel road for long trips and it
is going to become an entirely different use. I don't think that anyone is anticipating
that they want to see a heavily used arterial in what are mainly, at this point,
residential areas. I wonder if we are being accurate in projecting how much traffic is
really going to use, for instance, CR 5. Are we really going to have these green and
yellow levels on CR 5 in 20 years? Jeremy responded by pointing out that as I-25
congests, those trips aren't going to go away. They are still going to spill into the
adjacent facilities. He added that more money has been put into the model than any
other he has ever dealt with and thinks that it is an accurate model and the best tool
there is to predict where traffic is going to distribute and what it is going to look like
on network "A," "B," and so on.
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He further stated that the model is based on socioeconomic data characteristics and a
host of other functions including transit assumptions for the region.
During more disucssion, the following concerns were heard from the board: sprawl,
air quality, VMT, lack of multi -modal emphasis, and pushing the interstate problem
to the periphery. Warring stated that the bottom line for her is that she feels the team
wants to invest in roads to accommodate cars and she would like to see more of a
shift towards transit and other modes. Frank stated that if there is something that can
be done to emphasize that in the plan they would do that. Chair Johnson also agreed
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d) BIKE DEPOT FEASIBILITY STUDY — Reiff
Tom Reiff stated that in October 2000, the City of Fort Collins Transportation
Planning Department began working with a consultant to determine the feasibility of
building a bike -depot in Fort Collins. The study will also identify a suitable site for a
depot. Due to the high -density levels necessary for a bike -depot to succeed, it is
likely that the feasibility study will identify a site somewhere within the downtown
area. The study will be completed by April 2001. A video clip from CNN was
shown to the board.
As seen in the video, typical amenities at a bike -depot include free, secure, valet
bicycle parking, changing rooms, bicycle repairs and accessories, air compressors,
and transit information. Other services might include bicycle safety and repair
classes, showers, bicycle loaner programs, and food and specialty services.
One of the many goals of the project is to determine whether this would be successful
in Fort Collins. The team did some research and found a community similar to Fort
Collins that does not sit on a transit corridor as the ones in California do. They
discovered Applethom, Holland, which is about 100 miles east of Amsterdam. They
have similar population density and no transit system. They built four depots and it
has been very successful.
Based on gathered input, including information from public workshop/survey
respondents, three potential sites have been identified. They are:
1) Downtown Transit Center;
2) Oak Street Plaza -east or west; and
3) Spring Creek Park at BNSF Railroad.
The amenities people want are covered, secure bike parking; restrooms; changing
areas; transit/bicycling information; bicycle repairs and potential rentals. Also, the
public also strongly indicated they want a meeting hall, not just for cycling groups,
but for the general public and a cafe.
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Phillips asked what the make-up was of the 25 people at the public workshop and
whether they were invited individually or was it a general advertisement? Were they
all cyclists? Reiff stated that there were advertisements on channel 27, several press
releases in major publications in the area, the City's web page, mailing list from Bike -
to -Work Day and it was announced to all members of the Downtown Business
Association. There were a lot of cyclists and business owners that participated. For
those that couldn't attend the meeting but wanted to, a survey was mailed to them and
was returned to us. Additional public open houses will be held in the future, but
definitely want to have location sited and some conceptual drawings from the
architect before we do.
Phillips stated that a lot of good work has gone into this, but in thinking about
implementation, it would be difficult to generate money/priority for this in terms of
funding. One thing we should consider is folding this in with the Mason Street
Transportation Corridor and in going for federal funds for that corridor - - plan for
one of these at each end of the corridor, perhaps.
Yeldell commented that this a good opportunity for the commercial sector and would
help generate needed funding. Stated he would like to see an analysis from the
private and commercial sector. Chair Johnson brought up the example of the Dairy
Queen on College — it is driven by the bike traffic.
Warring stated that there needs to be much more public input in order to demonstrate
the desire for the project. Reiff stated that they want to set up a pilot program for the
depot at various locations on Bike to Work Day to get it in front of the community.
e) CAMPUS WEST SUB -AREA PLAN - Mapes
Mapes stated that the CWSAP is a direct follow up and implementation component to
City Plan. City Plan designated this area, which is on Elizabeth just west of CSU and
extending as far west as the Taco Bell, as one of a handful of anchoring districts with
policies that describe the urban village ideas that are being talked about in planning
all over the United States today. The current lay out of the area obviously doesn't fit
the vision.
Issues were identified and shown to the board via slides. Shown were areas of
neglect, areas without sidewalks or too narrow of sidewalks, missing connections
between residential and commercial areas, peds walking in bike lanes, etc.
A consulting team was hired that had experts in marketing analysis, redevelopment
and financing and urban design in transportation. They first did a market analysis to
see if the vision of the area as a hub of activity was feasible and to what degree. The
preliminary analyses from that group led staff to affirm the vision that they have laid
out and encouraged them to go forth. So, staff contacted property owners to share the
ideas with them. As it turned out, the property owners disagreed with the market
analysis.
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Their thinking is that no matter what the area looks like, students are going to be there
and they do dominate the market, so why put money into it? However, discussions
among owners, staff, and consultants have led to a concept for a system of bike lane
and sidewalk improvements that could be installed at any time, without changing
existing buildings and parking lots, requiring only one additional foot of ROW from
properties on each side of the street.
Mapes brought sketches to show the current status of the proposed concept. The
remaining schedule for wrapping up the subarea plan is ambitious. Staff will
continue to meet with owners as needed. They will present the Draft Plan to Boards
and Commissions. The Planning & Zoning Board hearing on recommendation to
City Council will be February 15. There will be an Open House on the draft Plan.
The Plan will be presented to City Council for adoption on February 20, by
resolution, as an element of City Plan.
At the end of the presentation, there were a few general questions that Mapes
answered.
6. REPORTS
a) BOARD MEMBER REPORTS
Thordarson: S. Taft Hill Oversi". Near Harmony it appears that the
preliminary overlay has been done, but the striping on the
southbound lane goes right outside the edge of the asphalt. Is this
the way it was intended? It's been this way for a couple of months
now.
Snow Removal on Bike Lanes. After the last couple of storms,
there has been some icing in the shaded areas on eastbound Drake
(either side of Taft Hill), forcing riders to go out into the traffic
lane to avoid it. A second place where it's bad for bikes is on
Shields. It appears to be plowed curb -to -curb with the exception of
a quarter -mile stretch by CSU. This seems strange in that there is
so much bike traffic in that area.
Crackseal Material. Spoke with brother-in-law, who is in asphalt
maintenance, about quick and easy crack seal solutions.
Thordarson brought in a sample of a cord -like material that can be
used. Thought perhaps if people were trained in applying the
material, streets could be maintained by volunteers in
neighborhoods.
Gould: Snow Removal Kudos. I sent a complimentary note to the Streets
Department recently. In the north Fort Collins area, especially
CSU related streets, if the lane is even partially plowed, it helps so
much and I thought they have done an excellent job. I think it
would be great if we could classify and prioritize bicycle lanes for
snow removal as we do streets.
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I also saw some brushing off of bus stopsibenches as well as a
small truck that was doing some de-icing at the stop! Have not
seen that done before! Was great.
Warring: E. Mulberry Committee. Thanks to all of you who Okayed my
membership on this committee. It will probably be starting in
February.
Tax for the Roads Article. I saw this in the newspaper and
wondered what you all thought of it. It made me mad! There is a
$157M surplus and I thought I read that the intersection of Drake
and Timberline, in an article from a couple of weeks ago, was
going to be funded with Oversizing fees. It looks to me like we
have a classic example of this impending growth and it is not
paying its way. Also, on Mason Street Transportation Corridor,
why do we have to go to the taxpayers for money? It seems to me
that with the $157M surplus, the City should be making the
contribution and putting in the extra support. It doesn't seem
consistent to me that we (taxpayers) paid for it out of Building
Community Choices and now we have to pay for the rest. Phillips
stated that there is some misunderstanding of nomenclature here.
There is not a $150M surplus. The City has about $150M in
reserves, much of which is required for certain aspects of the
financial health of the City. Utilities will use a large portion of it
for new facilities. Again, the money is in reserves and stays there
until they are needed and are not there for just any purpose.
Warring suggested that as a board, perhaps we should go back to
Council and tell them that when doing the City's budget they really
need to put more consideration and funding into transportation
needs. Miller agreed. Phillips stated that he brought information
on the City's 10-year Capital Improvement Plan and Inventory,
which led to a lengthy discussion about transportation needs.
Ricord: Sharing the Road with Bicyclists and Cars Information. Thanks to
whomever from SMARTTrips got this piece into the City's utility
bill. This one caught my eye and it seems pretty relevant.
Trantham: Truck Route Relocation Group. I attended the first meeting and
the mission is to look for new ways to keep the trucks on 1-25 and
then secondarily look at routes that are 2 miles north of Douglas
Road. This is a much larger group than the last one I was on. It
was pretty interesting. I'll keep you updated.
b) COMMUNITY EDUCATION STRATEGY
Dan Gould had a great letter that was published (although there was an error in the
byline - "Don" Gould). This topic will be discussed in more detail at the next
meeting.
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c) STAFF REPORTS
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Phillips: Capital Improvement Program. Stated that he brought copies of the
memo that he presented to the City Manager along with the
Transportation Services Area's submittal regarding the Capital
Improvement Program. This was discussed earlier in the meeting.
Downtown Transit Center. It is under construction now and the
scheduled completion is July 31 with move -in in early August.
The total project cost is $2,652,2000 and the sources for that are
General Fund - $953,800 and FTA Grant - $1,698,000.
Reappointments. Congratulations to Chris, Ray and Dan for their
reappointment to the Board.
MPO News Update. Phillips has recommended that the MPO hire
a full-time Executive Director for the MPO as the focus and the
demands of that job have gotten to the place where a full-time
person is needed. Their response was positive. If they officially
approve it at their February meeting, we'll be seeing a transition
take place in the next 3-6 months.
Policy & Budget Manager Position. We received applications for
the position and did an initial screening. There is now a list of
seven candidates that will be interviewed by telephone and then a
staff team will interview the top 3-5 out of that group in the next 2-
3 weeks. We hope to have that filled soon.
Analysis of Amendment 23 Impacts, Hand out provided per
Phillips' request from Colorado Municipal League.
City of Fort Collins' Annual Report Video. Would like to show
this when there is time on the agenda. Dan Gould stars and talks
about the Mason Street Transportation Corridor. It may also be on
channe127.
Hydrogen Task Force Volunteer Request. Steve Yeldell
volunteered. Scott will have Mike Smith contact Yeldell. Gould
will be an alternate.
Scott: February Planning Calendar. A calendar was provided that shows
scheduled items for February, March and April as of this date.
This will become a monthly handout for those who are interested
in seeing what is on the horizon for Board meetings.
Transportation Board Finance Sub -committee Meeting. The
subcommittee will reconvene on January 25 at 6 p.m. Members of
the committee are Thordarson, Ricord, Henderson, Johnson and
Phillips.
OTHER BUSINESS
There being no other business, the meeting adjourned at
Respectfully submitted,
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Cynthia L. Scott, Executive Administrative Assistant
10 P.M.
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