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Minutes: Regular Meeting of January 15, 2003
Council Liaison to the Board: Councilman Bill Bertschy
Staff Support to the Board: Jerry P. Brown, Manager of Golf at 221-6350, and Stacy Kelley,
Administrative Aide at 416-2265
Call Meeting to Order: Chairperson Bill Rutledge called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. at the
SouthRidge Golf Course Clubhouse.
Agenda Review: There were no changes to the printed agenda.
Items of Note:
❖ Bill Rutledge welcomed Mindy Markley back to the Board.
❖ All Work Plans must be approved by City Council. Council will review the Work Plans in
January, and approve them on February 4, 2003.
Patty Carroll's retirement party is scheduled for Friday, January 24, from 4:00-6:30 p.m. at
the Collindale Clubhouse. Everyone is invited.
❖ Jerry introduced Scott Manning who is the new food and beverage Concessionaire at
Collindale for Brauns Bar & Grill.
Approval of Minutes: On a motion by David Johnson and seconded by Grant Sherwood, the
Board unanimously (9:0) approved the Minutes of the November 19, 2002 Regular Meeting.
Citizen Participation: There was no citizen participation at this time.
Update on Collindale Clubhouse Damage:
Jerry and Jim Greer, Collindale Golf Course Professional, were called to the Clubhouse on
Christmas Day as a pipe had broken and the Clubhouse was flooding. The fire sprinkler pipe is
located in the attic above the walk-in freezer. The Fire Department responded to a citizen's call.
The Citizen also notified Jerry and he called Jim Greer. They both responded and tried to
squeegee the water. The Fire Department representative was able to turn off the water valves.
The Contractor's insurance is responsible for paying the damage repair. Since this happened on
Christmas Day, nobody was on site for the first time since May. Walsh Environmental has run
tests on damaged areas to determine the status of mold, moisture, and mildew. It does not appear
that there was any damage to equipment or the carpeting, but some plasterboard, ceiling panels,
insulation material, and floor tiles, etc. will be replaced. Jim Greer will open the Pro Shop
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tomorrow morning in the new Clubhouse. Scott Manning thinks that the Concession area will be
open by early February for sandwiches, snacks, and softdrinks. He thinks it will be completely
ready by March 1.
Bill Rutledge wants to know about insulation in the building and asked whether there would be
more insulation added. Jim Greer said more insulation was added and a fan also was added to
aid the circulation. Jerry said all the pipes would be insulated. Claire Nelms wants to know if
someone would check schedules so that there is no conflict with the golfers use of the
Clubhouse. Jerry replied that the golfers always have priority especially from April to
September. Jim said a calendar would be kept for events. Scott explained what he is trying to
do. Mike Sanders wants to know if there is retainage being kept from payments. Jerry said yes
and he explained that it was all included in the contract and the contractor is bonded.
Approval of 2002 Golf Board Annual Report:
Jerry explained he had prepared the Annual Report for the Board as he has done in the past. All
items in the report are taken from Board Minutes. Bill Rutledge could find no reason for
changes. Grant Sherwood wants to know the status of future golf courses. Mike Sanders said
that the next courses are planned by private developers. Jerry said that there probably would not
be any City -owned courses built in the short-term. Mike Sanders then made a motion to approve
the Annual Report. Dave Johnson seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously (9:0).
Structure of Golf Fees and Charges for 2004/2005:
Jerry explained the City's budget policy. Jerry said our process starts in January, though it is not
due to Council until September. City Council debates the budget. Our proposed budget is given
to the City Manager and needs to be concluded by May. Jerry wants to know what the Board
intends to recommend about golf passes, and he made his position clear on this subject. We need
a conceptual plan by March. There will be a public input meeting in April. Our
recommendation can be adopted in April, but no later than May. Bill Rutledge wants to know
when Jerry would start putting together figures. Jerry said soon and that the O&M budget
requirements are the same for everyone. Capital money is flexible. Jerry thinks the O & M
increases will not follow past trends because of sales tax shortages. Bill wants to know how
much of the Surcharge is committed to Capital improvements. Jerry said all of it. Jerry
explained that the SouthRidge debt was retired at the end of 2002 and the majority of that budget
money is now also committed to the Capital Surcharge debt. Bill wants to know if Jerry has
other Capital needs, and Jerry said yes, as there are always capital needs. Mike Sanders clarified
some items. He does not think Council would interfere with the Surcharge.
Claire Nelms said that she has received several calls because it was reported in the newspaper
that all three courses would charge the same fees. Jerry said this was not true. Jerry said the
article said the same "green fees." Claire thought all three courses were to charge the same and
said some golfers at SouthRidge were irate because they had to pay more. Jerry thinks a lot of
people misunderstand how our fees work. Grant Sherwood wants to know who buys golf passes.
Jerry said primarily juniors and seniors. Jerry asked the Board if they wanted any specific
background information for determining fees and charges and passes. Mike thinks we should
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check the financial impact for eliminating passes. Jerry mentioned options for handling annual
passes. Jerry wants to know what the Board thinks about "ifs." Grant thinks we should have
alternatives.
Mindy Markley wants to know the percentage of citizens who golf. Jerry thinks about 14
percent or roughly 22,000 people in Fort Collins who consider themselves golfers. Mike thinks
we should put annual passes on hold for a year. He stated we should promote the "punch card"
as a discount option. Dave Johnson thinks there should be staggered punch passes. Mike has a
concern about that. He questions how deep the discounts should go. Jerry said green fee dollars
average about $15.00 per round; passes are $10.89 per round on average or nearly a 28%
discount. Mike wants to know if we can have a straw vote to see if the punch card would be a
viable vehicle. Bill thinks the punch card would serve as a good discount. Most Board Members
would like to look at the punch card option. Bill thinks passes could be eliminated for prime
time play. Jerry thinks if we find a substitute for seniors and juniors the option would be
acceptable. Mike wants Jerry to consider alternatives to talk about next month. Manny Jimenez
wants to know if we're losing green fees because golfers are using passes. Jim Greer said yes.
Jerry doesn't think we will lose any money if we reduce usage or eliminate annual passes. Jerry
reminded the Board that we are a public recreational activity. Mike doesn't think eliminating
passes will greatly affect all play. Jerry thinks the two options are workable. Larry Buckendorf
asked what would happen to the budget if all passes were eliminated. The Board will continue
discussion on this topic at their February meeting.
Other Business:
❖ Jerry apologized for not having the 2002 final statistical reports before now. Pending City
Audit we did achieve 99.9% in Operating Revenues for 2002. We are short a little over
$2,000 on revenues. Jerry said we also saved nearly $30,000 in expenses last year.
❖ Manny Jimenez wants to know how we're doing on the water issue. Randy Bonneville, Golf
Course Superintendent at SouthRidge, said we watered last year enough to preserve the
courses. Jerry said we are very concerned about 2003. The Water Department is projecting
three different scenarios. The worst case is 30% of the CB-T water supply. We should still
get our available Poudre River Water allocation. 2002 was the worst year in the river history.
Randy wants to remind everyone that the golf courses use raw water 100%. Collindale is in
the worst shape as Warren Reservoir is the only source for Collindale water. If we don't get
water from Warren, we may have to use treated water. Jerry said the golf course
superintendents are watching their courses for damage. We water greens, tees, and trees.
Jerry thinks the Board should let people know golfs positive impact on the community.
d• Lauren DeRosa thanked the Board for choosing her to be on the Collindale Concessionaire
Selection Committee. It was very difficult, but she is certain the Committee made the correct
decision.
❖ Mike Goff has surgery scheduled for February 4. Pat Finnegan and Scott Somers will be
running City Park Nine while Mike is recuperating.
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4• Jerry discussed the SouthRidge road project at Lemay. The 14"' fairway will be greatly
impacted. They are going to widen the street and the berm between the course and the
sidewalk will be a maximum of 15 ft. and taper down towards the creek. There will be 40-
foot netting on top of that.
Tour of SouthRidge Golf Cart Storage Building, Patio Deck, and Clubhouse Basement
Improvements:
The Board, staff, and guests toured the new cart storage building, patio and basement.
Adjournment:
Mindy Markley made a motion the meeting be adjourned. Lauren DeRosa seconded. The motion
passed unanimously (9:0) at 9:00 p.m.
Meeting Attendance
Board Members
Larry Buckendorf
Lauren DeRosa
Manny Jimenez
Dave Johnson
Mindy Markley
Claire Nelms
Bill Rutledge
Mike Sanders
Grant Sherwood
Respectfully submitted,
Stacy Kelley
Administrative Aide
Staff
Randy Bonneville
Jerry P. Brown
Patty Carroll
Rob Dahl
Pat Finnegan
Jim Greer
Stacy Kelley
Scott Manning
Dale Smigelsky
Matt Thomas
Guests
Andrew Jimenez
John Shelton