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CALL TO ORDER
6:02pm
ROLL CALL
• List of Board Members Present –
− Dawson Metcalf (Chair)
− Kevin Krause (Vice Chair)
− Danielle Buttke
− Drew Derderian
− Lisa Andrews
− Matt Zoccali
− Barry Noon
− Kelly Stewart
• List of Board Members Absent – Excused or Unexcused, if no contact with Chair
has been made
− Avneesh Kumar
− Victoria McKennan
• List of Staff Members Present
− Honore Depew, Staff Liaison
− Sylvia Tatman-Burruss, Senior Project Manager
− Kirk Longstein, Senior Environmental Planner
− Katie Collins, Water Conservation Specialist
− Mariel Miller, Water Conservation Manager
− Danielle Reimanis, Senior Specialist
• List of Guests
− Lisa Andrews, Board Member starting in January
1. AGENDA REVIEW
2. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
a. None
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3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – AUGUST
a. Dawson moved and Drew seconded a motion to approve the November minutes.
Motion passed unanimously. 6-0
4. NEW BUSINESS
a. Future of Hughes – Sylvia Tatman-Burruss (Sr. Policy and Project Manager) gave an
update on the engagement process so far and the feedback received through focus
group conversations. Staff also engaged the Board in a series of questions regarding
potential future uses of the property. (Discussion)
− Discussion | Q + A
− Dawson – Q – Some of my students were doing some work around this
conversation, in doing community engagement with methodology survey with
them. A lot of what they were hearing was a notion of co -management
practices thinking about indigenous communities and what that looked like. I
know you made a mention of that in one of the previous slides. I am curious
to know if there has been a little more conversation there and what that
conversation looked like in the past. I know there was a website at one point
about it and then the website came down so just curious in that space. Sylvia
– A – Unfortunately I have not been involved in that conversation for a while.
We have a new Indigenous Engagement Specialist that has been hired within
the City Manager’s Office recently. I think she is going to get plugged in on
this project. With conversations I had with that team this week is that this may
not be the piece of land of interest for an indigenous community center but
that there is still interest for one within the community. I think they are looking
to have that conversation probably mid-January or so. We would really hope
to get that feedback incorporated into the scenarios for Council then.
− Dawson – Comment – The only other piece that is burning in my memory
was the notion of people wanting it to be a natural area and I know there are
some challenges with that regarding terminology and legal pieces but that
was the other conversations we got a lot of feedback on. Sylvia – Comment –
We have engaged with our Natural Areas staff and the natural area
restoration on this site would be pretty costly. Usually sites are purchased
that already have some really great features there or something there to
preserve. That may take away from their ability to purchase those types of
properties in other areas of the community. I think that is something we are
grappling through right now.
− Matt – Comment – In a previous slide I think you sort of summarized what
you had heard and that is very similar to the things I have heard about this
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site. I also think it is important, I talked with Honore and Dawson offline about
this, but I don’t think it impacts too much of tonight’s discussion but I want to
be open and honest. The company I work for did the environmental
assessment for the City of Fort Collins on this property. I did the site
reconnaissance and am familiar with some of the site conditions. If it ever
gets to a point where there is some perceived conflict of interest, I want to
have an open conversation about that. Then I am going to jump ahead a little
bit to my personal view on the site. These areas where we have a transition
from the plains to the foothills are really unique. I understand its challenges
around it not being a pristine site and I get it. I know there has been a lot of
use but there may be an opportunity to sort of preserve that type of corridor. I
know it is a small site that is bounded by development, roads, and past use
but it does present a really unique opportunity for that transition ecotone
area.
− Kevin – Comment – I would agree with that, with the added context being
especially that the property is different than natural areas parcels typically
have been from my understanding, since it was previously developed and
has a footprint/significant remnants of the previous use. This makes it more
favorable in considering a conversation to recreation in a nature -oriented
setting, rather than the extensive effort required to fully restore the property. It
is a great opportunity to take advantage of the transitional area while offering
a unique community recreation hub that is outdoor focused-meeting the
requests from the community. Specifically, doing so in a manner that is not
just putting in large amounts of e.g. non-native turf that would require
extensive amounts of water like a traditional park may. As indicated by
community members, we have significant lack of recreational bike focused,
park type, infrastructure in the city compared to ma ny others. This was
highlighted in the parks and recreation master plan community outreach,
where two labels of bike-related priorities emerged from community
members. One being “mountain bike courses” and the second being “bike
parks”. Despite several requests to staff by multiple individuals to combine
these items, they were instead perceived in the planning process as separate
types of needs, even though the community members did not see it this way.
In fact, if you do combine those two priority areas in the planning feedback
document, the total is 18.9%, which actually makes it the number one need
identified by the community during the parks & recreation master plan
outreach. It would have beat out community gardens, dog parks, natural
areas and so forth. I am engaged with the bike community but also with
parents who are not necessarily in the bike community but have kids who
want to bike, young kids who are not in the sport yet with parents who don’t
necessarily do that. To have a place close to town with different levels of
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access without having to get out on significant trails which is often not
possible for parents is where the need is. So many facilities exist for other
sports and activities but there is a large gap here. As Sylvia mentioned, these
activities compliment each other and, particularly, in a unique natural
environment/transition space would get kids connected with the outdoors. It is
a great opportunity for our community. I will say that I am almost here in this
seat on the Board because of biking. That is what years go got me outside
and, ultimately, engaged in sustainability. It is a unique space with great
chance for our community for things that have been asked for, for a long
time. I think it is important when this is brought to Council to remind them that
in 2020 a whole lot of kids, young adults, young women came and spoke
directly about what biking has done for them in their lives especially during
the pandemic and there being lack of space to do that in Fort Collins. That
was so inspirational.
− Danielle – Comment – I don’t have much experience with this site beyond
personally hiking during burrowing season to look for burrowing owls, never
successfully unfortunately. I was kind of surprised by the
suggestion/recommendation to have a wildlife rehab center built there both
because there is quite a bit of existing infrastructure in the city for these
purposes and as not mentioned this site is being at this transition ecotone is
highly erodible. Additional infrastructure there to me, doesn’t seem
ecologically like a great fit. That is not a very climate friendly design simply
because there isn’t mass transit going there, there are not bus systems going
there and there are not other ways the employees or other people that would
be visiting to get there. Driving more car-based transition to that site goes
against what I would envision a natural area’s goals and vision would be. The
fact that it is degraded to me means that it is even more at risk of being even
more erodible and having other impacts there. I also think there is some great
prairie dog habitats in that space and prairie dogs continue to be pushed out
of other suitable habitats along the front range. It being again, in a transitional
ecotone puts it in a really great place to host a higher diversity of predators
that would not otherwise be viable in these locations, even if it is a sma ll
patchy habitat. So that unique aspect and the close proximity that humans
have to observe these species in that particular site is also really fantastic.
− Kelly – Q – I was wondering if you have reached out to any of the groups
among the disabled community. I think there was an article a couple of
months ago maybe in the Washington Post about these all-terrain
wheelchairs that are popping up along state parks across the county. That
makes me think that with the uniqueness of this site and the opportunity we
have here, that it might be a cool way to give access to the disabled
community. That would maybe be my one suggestion if you haven’t already.
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Sylvia – A – Ginny Sawyer, we are tag teaming this project and she is
presenting to the Disability Advisory Board tonight to really figure out are
there types of trails or features that they would specifically like to see on this
site. We have heard some issues certainly and the issue of ADA accessibility
or just appropriateness or what they really need or want o ut of recreation to
get a better understanding of that.
− Sylvia – Comment – We didn’t have the disc golf folks at the recreation
conversation. We have reached out to some folks on this kind of older
stakeholder outreach list, and I think we are going to be able to get with the
disc golf folks. We are going to meet with PATHS (Planning Action To
Transform Hughes Sustainably). They are the folks who put together the
ballot language, so we are going to meet with them soon. We are really filling
in the pieces and parts right now and again, haven’t done that big outreach
push yet. If you talk to folks and they ask why they haven’t heard about this, it
is because we just haven’t done that yet. You can also feel free to reach out
to me with anyone else you think we haven’t gotten to.
− Dawson – Q – What does the engagement around youth look like potentially
going forward with this decision making? Sylvia – A – That is a great question
and might be a little tricky for us as I don’t know if the Youth Board is super
active or if that is happening right now. I think that would be an easy place for
us to go. I think we will be reaching out to the Nordic skiing folks at PSD,
some of the contacts for Bike Fort Collins, and other places like that but if you
think of groups that would be helpful that would help us as well. Kevin –
Comment – So maybe just clarifying that PSD had a representative at least at
one of the focus groups and some of the other youth focus groups were there
too at least when I was there. A baseball focused individual was there too.
Sylvia – Comment – We may not be doing specific outreach to engaging
youths specifically but that may be something we could look at as we get a
little more specific about those uses.
− Sylvia – Comment – I am going to move onto the next slide to give you my
contact information. I think that is the best way to reach out to me, by email.
You can of course contact Honore as he knows where to find me. Let m e
know what questions you might have as we start to really develop these
scenarios. I think we are looking at March for Council. If we can’t come back
for a Board meeting before that time, we can certainly share materials with
you and get that feedback. That Council meeting with be a work session and
will be a very preliminary conversation. Any scenarios we would refine we
would certainly come back to this Board and others to get your feedback. I
really appreciate the time tonight and look forward to more conversations in
the future.
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b. 1041 Regulations – Kirk Longstein (Senior Environmental Planner) shared what has
changed in the proposed revisions to 1041 regulations since NRAB’s last discussion
of the topic in October. (Action)
− Discussion | Q + A
− Dawson – Q – I know in October there was potentially discussion around a
memo of the Board taking a position and now with this new version and these
updates, I am curious what the board feels or is thinking with some of these
new updates.
− Danielle – Comment – I am really excited about the change from needing to
document substantial changes to essentially any documenting any adverse
impact. I think of course it would always be great if that mitigation option
wasn’t there because mitigation is so circumscribed by our very limited
knowledge, our very short-term thinking, and our approaches when we know
that is virtually impossible to recreate an intact ecosystem and/or functioning
ecosystem. There is a lot of rich literature of how mitigation options are
sometimes even detrimental but almost always significantly subpar to the
original habitat and/or impacted space. However, I recognize this is part of
typical environmental policy and approaches in the United States so likely
something the City doesn’t have much bandwidth to change. I am really
excited to see Barry joining us too. Honore – Comment – He has been on
since 6:15 but I don’t know if he is actively participating due to an illness.
Danielle – Comment – I really value Barry’s input on this given his extensive
expertise in these areas and I strongly defer to a lot of his comments and
suggestions particularly in this area. Honore – Comment – He also indicated
he submitted some written comments to you earlier this week, Kirk or in some
way gave you direct feedback. Kirk – Comment – Through the working group
meeting. Barry did you also send me an email? If so I didn’t get an email but
we did have a long conversation on Tuesday. Honore – Comment – Maybe
that is what his is referring to. He said “I provided my perspectives on the
1041 to Kirk earlier this week.” Kirk – Maybe captured in notes, Dawson, I
think you have those as well. Dawson – Comment – I do, a couple of things
that Barry brought up that I think were really on point here was this notion of
cumulative effect and impact. I had to leave the meeting a little early but I
know that was a major point for him when thinking about what decision and
versions we go with going forward and how those impacts are measured and
evaluated.
− Dawson – Q – Kirk just for my better understanding, as we are looking at
these drafts with and without geographic limitations that are on the site and
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everything, is one of the expectations to hear more of the version we would
ideally work with. I am a bit confused on these two versions that are there.
Kirk – A – Maybe I can take one of them down off the website but based on
Council’s feedback, we are using geographic thresholds as kind of the
baseline and the one without geographic we are not using. Our next step is to
compile all the feedback from boards, commissions, and working groups.
Lots of comments have also come into City leaders and Council. Compiling
those and start to figure out what changes and start making policy decisions
on what we are changing and what we are not. It is likely there is go ing to be
a version three. The challenge is I am really looking for policy direction from
you all based on writing actual code. That is not traditionally what community
members provide feedback on. I think we are including this draft language
out there to be completely transparent with our stakeholders and the direction
of where we are going but the most important feedback is policy direction, the
idea around cumulative impacts and how we want to include those types of
things. The code is there for a reference, use it as a tool; when submitting
comments you can refer to those sections. A memo that is really formatted in
a policy direction would be super helpful. I also want to share the definition of
adverse impacts. Cumulative impact is baked within the definition here, but
we do not include a specific metric of how we would be evaluating that. I think
that was something that we were talking about in our last working group
around to what extent. Go look at the definition of adverse impact; it is baked
in there. So, thinking about the process by which we would be reviewing a
project in the intake, we would be applying the definition. The definition also
includes in the very last line, it says cumulative in nature. We don’t include a
framework for cumulative analysis similar to the NEPA process, but it is in
there. We would be taking that into consideration as a part of the full
permitting process. There wouldn’t be a full analysis required at the point of
submittal approval. That is how it is currently, if you want to advocate for
additional type of analysis, definition, or more specificity around that, I
encourage you kind of dig into that. That is what I heard from Barry as well, is
wanting more definition in that regard.
− Dawson- Comment – I do feel strongly in regard to the purview of this Board
and the purpose of 1041 regulations going forward and making, of course if
the Board agrees, a memo in direction of some policy here and making some
decision that bring in this cumulative impact along with some of those things.
Something that was really important to me was thinking about corridors,
connectivity corridors, around these natural areas, and other points of impact
from your map that you have shown us, those are some of the things I know
Barry and I discussed in our conversation with you, Kirk, earlier. That is
something I would like to make a point in a memo but of course with what the
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rest of the Board thinks.
− Kirk – Comment – Another point that I was discussing in a meeting that I
want to bring into this is geographic thresholds. Everyone likes that there is
some predictability in that we have done some mapping around. In my
opinion it is old; it is from the early 2000’s. Our landscape has changed quite
a bit so it does need a refresher in that regard and it is not an end all be all.
What we have heard across the board is not liking the application of
geographic thresholds at the front end of the process as a determination for
whether or not a permit would be required, applying the geographic threshold
is too limited in scope. All projects should be included from coast to coast
here, within our jurisdiction, so applying those geographic thresholds kind of
shrinks the belt a little bit too tight and loud. The feedback I have been getting
over the last couple weeks is we like the geographic threshold and we like
the idea that CBW is applied high priority habitat buffers in the SP181
requirements. We have a lot of really great data out there to kind of tell us
where our critical habitat is in connectivity corridors and can we shift that to
just the general review criteria for all permits moving in but not use it as a
filter for applying a full permit but rather moving it in to the general new
standards. That is something that is being kicked around by these boards
and potentially you all want to weigh in on it.
− Dawson – Q – I know, as Danielle mentioned earlier, Barry has been bar far
one of the more experts on this issue and kind of leading the direction of
conversation on this Board. I personally would love to hear more from Barry
and I know Barry cannot be here with us now being under the weather, but I,
depending on what the Board feels here, would like to move forward with the
memo and bring Barry as a major author in that first draft. How does the rest
of the Board feel? Danielle – A – I second that. Dawson – Comment – I
guess I should say I motion.
− Kevin – Q – Dawson can you clarify the content you were hoping to see, the
position that we would be putting forth in that? Dawson – A – I think it needs
to include the point of support for the adverse impact as well as
understanding, bringing in, and defining further the cumulative impact as well.
I think we need to make the decision around how we feel about the
geographical threshold at the beginning in reference to what Kirk was just
mentioning and seeing how the Board supports or does not support that
point. Those were the three highlighted points I had in my notes. Kevin –
Comment – Thank you, that makes sense. I guess is it worth trying to hash
out the geographic threshold piece to some reasonable degree, to get that
position clear and in the draft? I think that makes sense from my perspective
overall. I would like to support we need that to draft successfully.
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− Kirk – Comment – What I am looking for is there are a couple big questions.
To be completely frank, water providers have some really great questions.
Whether it is a 12 inch pipe or a 20 inch pipe, the limits of construction are
going to be very similar so those impacts are very similar. Pipe size diameter
as a threshold, in my mind isn’t really jiving if we are talking about natural
resource protection. I am really looking for creative thinking around how do
we strike a balance, how do we provide some predictability, how do we fall
into this while also making sure we are applying some standards and some
protection standards. Project size threshold is great. I would love to hear a
little more if anyone has any experience around some of these larger
infrastructure projects to understand what kind of impacts you all are
concerned or worried about. Then we can start to size or at least provide
some sort of filters. Geographic thresholds in the review standards make
sense to me but we probably want to put some more definition into that. If we
are applying the natural habitat features and these other geographic
polygons to review standard, what are we reviewing, what is the standard,
what is the metric? I have heard some criticism around restoration ecology
and mitigation. Is there something else we would like to see then when we
would be reviewing impacts to our natural habitat? Keeping in mind a lot of
this infrastructure is within an urban setting.
− Danielle – Comment – I am much more familiar with MEPA which is a very
different process because it says let’s look at everything, look at adverse
outcomes and make sure everything passes through that lens. Obviously,
things that don’t have sensitive ecosystems, important public health
infrastructure, social infrastructure, or cultural infrastructure are going to pass
through that process really quickly but it is a great framework for insuring a
standardized approach is taking for insuring that it is really looking at adverse
impacts and not necessarily where people’s voices are loudest, where there
is more prominent infrastructure, or more visible resources that are present. It
also requires a public input aspect to it. People complain about it a lot. It is a
very onerous bureaucratic process but it does serve a purpose and makes
sure a standardized approach is taken. Kirk – Comment – I have heard a lot
of people refer to 1041 as a mini-NEPA. We have a lot of wetlands that do
not have a federal nexus. We have a lot of other ecotypes that would not be
covered by NEPA that we would be bringing in reviewing and mitigating. It is
kind of the benefit of 1041 so we can define our jurisdictional limits around
those habitat protections.
− Dawson – Comment – As a Board here, I think there is still a lot of us to
define in thinking we are not the experts in the infrastructure perspective of
this, but I think we do have a lot of experience and can make a strong
recommendation towards the policy that will go forward to the City. I guess I
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am leaning toward motioning for us to write a memo that considers the
support of the adverse impact, support for the geographical threshold, and
understanding the impact it can have to those natural habitats and
understanding it in those buffer zones. I am leaning toward that as my
motion. I would greatly accept any feedback from the rest of the Board in
helping to define that though. Kevin – Comment – I would love to I just don’t
feel like I have the technical experience-based need here. Some of us just
don’t possess to add much value and I would add myself to that bucket, so I
don’t feel like I can. Matt – Comment – Dawson I like that approach and I
don’t want you all to take that as I am saying that is good enough b ut I think
given all the things that are happening with these larger projects, with the
other reviews that might be going on whether that is at the federal level or
what not. We have to provide City staff some guardrails for where these
things will apply. It seems to me those geographic definitions within the
boundaries of the water treatment of the water projects, the transportation
provides that maybe it would be adjusted to the future to encompass more if
that is possible but I think this is a really good starting point. Dawson, I think
what you laid out is a reasonable approach and I would support a memo
going forward saying this Board is in favor of that kind of policy decision.
− Dawson motions and Matt seconds for NRAB to put forward a memo that
includes support for the adverse impact, support of the geographic threshold,
define that more and adverse cumulative impacts. Motion passed 6-0-1.
− Kirk – Q – Would that memo be voted upon in January and submitted as part
of the January meeting? Dawson – A – Yes. Kirk – A – So if there are any
changes between now and then that you would want to add to your memo,
would you be able to do that? Because there are going to be some changes
in the next couple of weeks that you may want to add. Dawson – A – I think in
the point of us coming back to that conversation we can add things to that
memo during discussion at the next meeting. That would be where we
actually approve it, so I think we do have that space. Honore – Comment –
Yes you voted tonight to take action on the creation of a memo someone can
then draft it, people can add to it, and in your January, meeting is when you
will need to finalize it in a public forum like this. I don’t think it requires a
second vote at that point. Once you have coted now to approve a memo you
just have to finalize it. Kevin – I mean technically it could be finalized as long
as it didn’t change in substantial form. Unless we are just voting to draft it and
not submit it right now. I don’t know if we needed it but if the timeline
connects, we could wait to submit it and submit it under existing business if
that fits and feels like it no longer serves based on this set of focus areas
then you could vote not to submit it. I think typically when we write the memo,
we know the substance of the content it will be by one of a few then reviewed
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by all and then finalized.
− Kirk – Comment – Not to put another fly in the ointment but it is a fast timeline
and Council materials will be going out. The Council meeting is February 7th
so my materials would be published on the 2nd, and I would be submitting by
the 25th. If the memo does want to advocate for a change or something it
would be helpful if you all could just share it at some point. I don’t know how
we have done that. The Air Quality Advisory Board had a discussion to post a
memo to get it done. Sorry to hijack your meeting, just letting you know some
of these timeline logistics that are difficult with this project as well. Honore –
Comment – NRAB meets on the 18th of January so that should be okay if
they haven’t fully finished and can submit it directly to the Council liaison or to
the full Council and cc you so you can also include it in the packet.
c. Xeriscape & Soil Amendment Policies – Katie Collins (Water Conservation
Specialist) shared draft recommendations for updating Fort Collins code related to
xeriscape and soil amendment. This topic will be presented at the Jan 10 City Council
work session. Staff sought general feedback from the NRAB to inform the direction of
this proposal. (Discussion)
− Discussion | Q + A
− Dawson – Q – I have a question with the xeriscape incentive program, how
many people per year are able to take part in that and is there a goal to
increase that? Katie – A – This year, 2022, we wrapped up our biggest year
yet. I think we did 94 projects and that program continues to grow. We have
received another grant to support that program, a $100,000 grant to support
both the residential and commercial side of the xeriscape incentive program. I
guess I should clarify that this program is available to residential and
commercial properties. We completed 94 residential projects, and we
completed 7 commercial projects this year. We are always looking for more
money and more ways to incentivize folks to replace turf with more water
wise landscaping.
− Danielle – Comment – I apologize especially to our veteran Board members
because they have hear me say this 5,000 times but I ge nerally really support
this direction. Improving soil is critical. I also think having maximum turf
standards in place is also critical. Not only because of the very real impact it
has on reducing water usage but more importantly because we have
essentially these social norms where we know is one of the greatest
predictors of adoption of new policy practices and environmentally friendly
behaviors. Along those lines, I think it is critically important that we remove as
much turf as possible from city parks because we have essentially these
social norms where we are setting the subjective and objective norm saying
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this is the standard; this is what everyone should want. We have these huge,
enormous swales of Kentucky blue grass in our city parks that are watered
with extremely inefficient water systems that are run during the middle of the
day. That is what citizens see, that is what citizens want, and that is what the
social norm of the standard. Until we get rid of, amend or put some really
significant changes in place in those city parks, I think we are kind of shooting
our xeriscape incentive program in the foot. I absolutely love it and I
recognized my back in the phot of the xeriscape party. I attend every year
and I absolutely love the program but I think we are really inhibiting the
effectiveness of the program because we are setting these social norms that
go against what the xeriscape incentive program goals are.
− Kevin – Comment – We don’t mind hearing it over and over. I am generally
supportive of the direction it is heading. The education side I am trying to help
range some of that stuff. You can call the fact that the cost savings isn’t going
to save so much money. It doesn’t feel good, so maybe there are different
ways to frame that for residents and those considering the program. Future
costs or you go way further out so there are future trade offs right? So what is
the likely hood I am going to have to be under restriction in scenario one vs
scenario three. That might be meaningful. The other thing I am curious about
but I can’t admit to knowing is certainly a lot of these turf areas, there is no
hesitancy to drop down a lot of herbicides or pesticides every year. They
come out and spray in spring and fall so maybe there is a story there too with
all this to say we are saving hundreds or thousands of pounds of these
chemicals each year but switching some of this over. I don’t know it could
resonate in different ways and actually be a potential win if it is true. I guess
my only other call out with turf restriction and I think it’s great and I am sure
there are exception scenarios like where someone’s front lawn is actually
their back. There should probably be some thoughtfulness that someone
could be and most of the new developments are probably what you showed
but there could be scenarios. I think go aggressive there sounds great. For
commercial property it seemed like the most aggressive option was still at 12
gallons per square foot and just from a late person perspective that seems
like a lot still. I guess I don’t know but wonder if that can be dialed in more.
Katie – Comment – We will look into that. It is illustrating the 14,13,12 gallons
per square foot and comparing that to the turf maximum. Thank you for
bringing that up. It is important.
− Danielle – Q – I don’t want to monopolize the conversation and I apologize if
Kevin covered this, but the artificial turf is an interesting concept, and it is one
where I instantly think of the plastic pollution that is typically left after and/or
tracked away from the sites. Is there any data on turfs where that doesn’t
happen in this incredibly UV intensive environment. Katie – A – We have
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heard that those studies are out there. That is not something we have looked
into too deeply but that is a comment that we have recently heard. That is
something we want to follow up on.
− Matt – Q – I tend to agree. When there is option A, B, and C, most of the time
I land on the fence, and I am trying to appease everyone and say option B is
the best but I like the idea on both the commercial and residential side of
pushing a little more aggressively as Kevin mentioned. It is kind of crazy to
me anymore in this environment here in the high plains that we have, in this
town’s judgmental, everyone likes their property to look a certain way, but we
are using water on pretty water intensive vegetation and landscapes. The
photos from option C looked really appealing in a lot of different ways, just
the way our community can look the water usage and those kind of things. I
support generally pushing that direction and agree with Kevin that option C
didn’t seem maybe as aggressive as it potentially could have been, although I
don’t know what the right number is. I was curious about the artificial turf. You
mentioned there would be a permit and I think maybe I missed it, but the
permit is addressing some aspect of that turf installation that is not appealing
to the community. What is that you are permitting for? Katie – A – What we
are hoping to do with that with a permit is because we would require some
standard for the quality of the product, the type of product and what it is. We
don’t know yet. We have some work to do there but because we would be
requiring some level of quality and quality installation, it would require the
permit come with a plan that we could review. In a perfect world you go apply
for a permit when you go to put artificial turf in your front yard and come to
find out you are also required to irrigate your tree because your tree is
important to get long term irrigation. So that is the intent of the permit, is to
have the facetime and that recognition of those two big pieces we are
requiring: the high-quality specs and the tree irrigation.
− Matt – Q – On the irrigation piece it seemed like there would be potentially
the need for an enforcement option around that. That could be really
challenging, just staff capacity and implementation. Can you do me a short,
and I know that is probably a long discussion around enforcement but how
maybe that is being dealt with? Katie – A – Because we have advance
metering infrastructure on our water infrastructure we can see daily, hourly
water use. So, there is that piece there of enforcement where we can send
push notifications or send an email, not calling anyone out specifically
perhaps but say did you know you shouldn’t water during the day anymore
and here are the reasons why, here are the benefits to watering at night. It’s
not a violation or letter or what have you. I suppose the example I gave you
was just a letter but its an opportunity for education . We do have the flexibility
to offer something that is really automated and can be sent as a text or email
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and that is through the My Water Portal. It should be said that would only
affect utilities customers right now and what we are talking about here would
affect everything within city limits. WE have those three major water districts.
How do we enforce on those other two water districts? We are talking a lot
about other carrots we could provide so maybe it is a little door hanger or
some informational booklet in a freebee that says here are the reasons why
watering at night is better for your landscape and better for your water bill.
Those are the initial ideas but still work to be done.
− Matt – Comment – I am sorry I am dominating the conversation. On the soil
amendment piece when I worked for the City of Fort Collins, the inspectors
were on the team I managed and they spent a lot of time on si te doing
erosion control inspections and implementing the soil a mendment
requirements. It was quite challenging, so I really like the idea of establishing
that minimum threshold for the certification and inspection. I do wonder if
particular Council Members will push back on this soil amendment. The
policy came through Council years ago but I am supportive of that change
just purely from a staff capacity perspective. I recognize Danielle about what
you said about parks and everything. I think that is important and I am not
trying to push back too hard on that. I think there is a balance there. I think
community use and recreational value in the parks for whatever it maybe,
soccer, frisbee. We have to have some areas of turf. We don’t have to; I think
it is a nice community amenity and I think certain members of the community
look to those areas to go, recreate, and do the things they love to do. That is
a tough balance to find out. I will leave it at that.
− Danielle – Comment – I think you are spot on, Matt. When there are multiple
beneficial uses that benefit the community at large as opposed to just
individuals, typically more affluent individuals, then it is a lot easier to justify
that use. However, I do think there are tremendous advantages on high traffic
turfs such as dog tuff that require being watered once every 14 days, that are
still resilient to the high traffic, that is necessary for a lot of those playing
fields. Again, we could make some really dramatic improvements in the way
in which we water. We should be watering our city parks at night too. They
should be on those big pivot heads that hit you on your bike unexpectedly if
you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
− Katie – Comment – If there is nothing else tonight, feel free to reach out and
send me an email if you have any follow up.
d. Rights of Nature – Finalize NRAB memo to City Council on draft resolution.
− Discussion | Q + A
− Danielle moved to approve the memo as written and Kevin seconded. Motion
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passed 6-0-1. Dawson will send the memo to Council tomorrow.
5. OTHER BUSINESS
a. 2022 End-of-year Board Report
− Dawson will share a draft of the 2022 End-of-year Report before the January
meeting to be reviewed. They will vote in January.
b. Board Member Reports
− Kevin – Comment – I am happy to give a Bicycle Advisory Committee (BAC)
update. Last month’s primary agenda was to discuss the Vision Zero Action
Plan which is a goal for zero fatalities and zero serious injuries as part of a
broader movement nationally and internationally. There is an opportunity out
there for feedback that you can partake in on the plan. I will send that out to
the whole Board following this to make sure you have the opportunity. There
was a great discussion there and was an opportunity for the Board to dive in
but it is also open to the public in terms of providing feedback on how to
accomplish that. For anyone interested or know anyone interested there are
three BAC at large positions that are not open and posted due to completion
of terms. That is something to be aware of. There was some other proposed,
maybe not formally proposed yet, but discussion around the Active Modes
Plan which is inclusive of more than just bicycles. There was thought on how
to potentially realign the committee around active modes and for example
become the active modes committee. So just some discussion around how to
maintain appropriate alignment, contributing, and support members in that
light. So those are the big things.
− Danielle – Comment – I shared a link to a petition to the UN Biodiversity
Conference: COP15 going on in Montreal and again there is a lot of talk
about this. I do think it is important for us to do everything we possibly can, so
I popped in a link to a petition to urge the various leaders to prioritize policies
that preserve biodiversity, in case that is something folks are interested in.
c. Six Month Calendar Review
− Right now, on the NRAB calendar is lake and river impacts on water quality
management policy. There are some other possible items. Dawson
mentioned also adding the end of year report and a discussion around the
1041 regulations memo. The Board decided they would be interested in
urban forestry and then pushing the parking topic to February. Honore will
contact staff for both topics.
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