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ECONOMIC ADVISORY BOARD
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December 21, 2022 4:00 – 6:00 pm
Via Zoom
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1. CALL TO ORDER
4:00pm
2. ROLL CALL
• List of Board Members Present
o Denny Coleman
o Braulio Rojas
o John Parks
o Mistene Nugent
o Blake Naughton
• List of Board Members Absent – Excused or Unexcused, if no contact with Chair
has been made.
o Renee Walkup
o Thierry Dossou
o Jeff Havens
• List of Staff Members Present
o Jillian Fresa, Staff Liaison, Economic Sustainability
o Rebecca Everette, Senior Manager, City Planning
3. AGENDA REVIEW
• No changes
4. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION
• Four guests were present. Three will be Board members starting in January. The
last was there to listen.
5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
• Denny moved to approve the December minutes and Blake seconded. Minutes
approved unanimously 5-0.
6. UNFISNISHED BUSINESS
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• Swat Analysis
− Comment (Denny) From a business perspective I don’t think we have good
direct access to the airport unless you want to pay a small fortune to park.
We should have easy inexpensive access to DIA. It is currently inconvenient
and expensive.
− Jillian will share this with the consultants. They are wrapping up their
engagement this week.
7. NEW BUSINESS
• 2022 Land Use Code Update
− Rebecca Everette provided an update to the 2022 Land Use Code.
− Comment (John) The issue is quite nuanced and dense. There have been
some divisions raised around this so it is important for us to maintain an open
mind because this will likely be coming up as a referendum vote in the next
election cycle. Our charter as an Economic Advisory Board is to advise
Council. City Council has already made a decision about this on November
1st but when Jillian and I met we were thinking about our roles as an advisory
role in a broader sense. We do have other connections and I think it is
important for us to be well informed before jumping to any conclusions.
− Presentation (Rebecca) The Land Use Code is currently in place, the Land
Development Code is the new version of the code adopted by Council on
November 1st. It was updated to align the code with other adopted city plans
and policies with a focus on housing related changes; useability and
predictability of regulations; and equity in process and outcomes. Analysis
pointed to the code being outdated or unmatched to priorities. All areas of the
code will eventually be touched but the first phased focused on residential
development. They also reorganized the code to make it more useable and
easier to navigate. There were five guiding principles that drove the updates
in the code. They were increase overall housing capacity, enable more
affordability, allow for more diverse housing choices, make the code easier to
use and improve predictability.
− A lot of people felt this code update was new information to them, caught
them off-guard, and they were not aware of some of the changes that were
coming until after it was adopted. There was an initial process and there was
a community engagement as part of the plan. Community engagement
around policy and code projects look different than big policy building like the
City plan. Outreach was done with people who were already knowledgeable
about the code like the Planning and Zoning Commission, development
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review staff, Community Engagement Committee, Technical Advisory
Committee and City Council. Information sessions and community input
sessions were also conducted. When the draft code was released, they also
conducted a series of workshops. A consultant team and staff also tested it to
ensure the code functioned like it was expected to and delivered outcomes
as anticipated.
− Q (Blake) How many people participated in the community engagement?
− A (Rebecca) Not an overwhelming amount of people. A lot more
people engaged in this code update compared to other projects but a
smaller number when you total the numbers. Some workshops had
40-50 and others had 5-10. It depended on the workshop, session,
and time of day. All sessions were recorded and online. We have had
more views than live participants. People who are most likely to have
been reached and were engaged also participated in the Housing
Strategic Plan and City Plan. The team has learned a lot how the
process unfolded and how they get word out. There are major
consequences to get something adopted and then go back to the
drawing board. We wanted to get it right for the community and get it
right the first time.
− Comment (Mistene) I was involved in one of the panels and
committees in the review process. We met several times over a nine-
month period. From my standpoint and I understand I had more
engagement than most, but it was very interactive and the City took a
lot of feedback from the group. It was a group of developers,
affordable housing folks and habitat folks. From the perspective from
hat team, it was great. I haven’t been involved in that degree with
some other changes throughout the years. I understand a lot of people
didn’t have visibility to that, but it was handled really great in terms of
interaction feedback and making modifications. Braulio was also
involved and agreed.
− Presentation (Rebecca) Some of the changes to the code included
expanded affordable housing incentives and requirements; menu of building
types and form standards to guide compatibility and budling design; allow
Accessory Dwelling Units in all residential and mixed use ones; focus on
“missing middle” housing types, expedited processing for housing projects;
increased housing capacity along key transit corridors and in zones with high
amount of buildable land; and adjusted parking requirements to incentivize
smaller housing units.
− Q (Denny) Could you talk a little more on what direct incentives are in the
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plans for affordable housing?
− A (Rebecca) One is a height bonus for apartment buildings in certain
zone districts. If affordable housing is included, they can get an extra
story or two of building height. The second is parking reduction.
Affordable housing projects have a different parking ratio per unit that
allows for more units to be built onsite. In one zone district in particular
there used to be a density cap of 12 units per acre and there is not
longer that cap but there are other functional limitations like height of
building. In some of the lower density residential districts, duplex and
triplexes are now allowed. Triplexes are only allowed if an affordable
housing unit is included.
− Q (Denny) Are these incentives show as effective to do this?
− A (Rebecca) Yes, and too soon. In some communities, yes. These
incentives do generate more affordable housing production and in
other communities they have just adopted these incentives so there
can be years of lag time until you start seeing these results. One of the
consultants we had working on this code did a full analysis of
development in different zone districts to see what the financial
breakpoint is for different housing products. They also looked at
financials for parking spaces and parking garages and looked at what
point do we think the market would take some of those incentives.
− Comment (Denny) I listened to one of the zoom calls by one of the people
who was trying to put this issue back on the ballot and I was pleasantly
surprised that there wasn’t too much negativity toward the concept of
affordable housing. The only question as does it work and were the changes
worth the “risk”. I think going forward, a little better explanation of what you
just said where it seems to be working and the rationale would be helpful.
Again, the biggest issue on the zoom call was the issue of nobody knew
about it and that can be as simple as five people on the block didn’t read it or
notice until it was out there, so that meant nobody knew.
− Comment (Rebecca) I sat in on those zoom calls and it was well
done. I think there is plenty of room for improvement in the code so I
think having the opportunity to go back and focus on some additional
changes and respond to what we have heard is not a bad thing. I think
anyone who could bring suggestions to the table and talk through it is
welcome. I appreciate the feedback about taking the time to explain
that more thoroughly.
− Presentation (Rebecca) Requirements for historical preservation and
habitat/open space protection did not change as Fort Collins has a really high
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bar for development standards. When it comes to building new housing units
especially on existing developed lots where you already have a single-family
home, a lot of these things create additional constraints that functionally limit
how many property owners may be willing to take on that challenge of adding
another unit or how many lots is actually feasible. Things like utility
separation, fire access, and fire protection within a building are all constraints
or costly, so realistically it is hard to know in existing neighborhoods how
much change we would see in a short period of time because of the things
that have not changed in the code.
− The code does not call for hearings or neighborhood meetings on hosing
projects and that is something we have heard a lot of concern about.
Depending on the outcome of the ordinance, if it gets repealed and there is
additional work to do on it, this is something we would want to take a look at
based on some concern we have heard. There is still public notice that goes
out including posting of a sign, mailing to property owners within 800ft prior to
a decisions, decision letters are mailed to the commenters and abutting
property owners, and emailed newsletters.
− Q (John) How often do neighborhood meetings impact the outcome of
decisions?
− A (Rebecca) I think there is an aspect of the hearing in particular
where there is not a lot of room for influence at that point in the
process. Part of it is our code is really prescriptive so there are things
you just can’t argue with such as did it meet the building height
requirement yes or no. The margin of where there is room for influence
becomes pretty narrow and that can lead to an unsatisfying
participation and hearing where you are informed and try to influence
the out but the project still gets approved because it met the code. It
can feel disingenuous and that is part of the reason that change was
made as well. I would say the projects that really benefit from
neighborhood meetings and hearings is when the developer is willing
to listen and make changes that go beyond code requirements to work
together and be a good neighbor. It tends to do more with the
developer than the neighborhood. There is not a lot of room to
influence the code.
− Comment (Mistene) I am working on a commercial project right now
and recently had a neighborhood meeting. This meeting in particular
was exceptionally late in the approval process but some of the
neighbors were concerned about traffic and timing of deliveries.
Eventually the user agreed to limit delivery times so that is feedback
that doesn’t stop that development or change any aspect of it. It
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depends on the developer; they want to be good neighbors too. There
is some feedback taken there for neighbors to have some input, voice
concerns, and see modifications.
− Comment (Rebecca) We see it all the time, development projects that
change for the better as a result of neighborhood input. Often it is
more about the developer’s willingness and that is something we can
continue to learn from and look at.
− Q (Blake) Right now is that input out?
− A (Rebecca) The neighborhood meeting and public hearing are not
required. We will certainly still encourage it and staff those. When
there is a lot of controversy on a project and it goes through a basic
development review, is processed, and approved at the staff level, the
neighborhood could appeal the project. That would result in a Planning
and Zoning Commission hearing, more controversy, more risk for the
developer and more delays in timeline. It is in the developer’s interest
to make sure neighbors are on board. We would always still
encourage it. We encourage it now for projects that don’t require it to
make sure issues are aired upfront and there is an opportunity to
collaborate trying to avoid appeals later down the road. Again, like I
was saying this is one we have heard a lot from the community, and
this might be something we look at as a potential change.
− Q (Blake) The neighbors that are very vocal about this are
characterized as giving away family neighborhoods to developers. I
am trying to figure out in my head that they feel like they are cut out. I
am curious if neighborhood restrictions are still there and that there is
still an appeal process if it is a really big deal as a response as
something negative. You didn’t take the appeal away.
− A (Rebecca) No we want checks and balances within the process,
and everyone is entitled to do processes within the process including
impacted property owners that might be nearby. I think the opportunity
to appeal is one of those things and a pretty low bar. You don’t need
much of a reason to appeal a project. You don’t need to hire an
attorney but some people perceive that as a barrier as opposed to
being invited to a hearing, so I understand. I think there are other
things in the code that encounter the idea that someone is going to
come in a buy three lots, demolish it, and put up an apartment
building. That is not allowed in most of the old town neighborhoods
and area to assemble lots like that and develop at that scale. There
are actually more restrictions on the size in the new code than the
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current code. I sense there is some frustration from people that is
coming because they don’t like what is being built now. Some of the
really large houses that are maxing out a whole lot that feel different
than the historic bungalows can’t be built under the new code because
there is a size limitation on new houses. You might see a duplex rather
than a single-family house but it would need to be in a smaller footprint
than what you can build now on some of the lots in old town. That is
where some of the nuance comes in. I think it is easier to make a
board brush statement and that is easier to digest to people rather
than the nuance behind it.
− Presentation (Rebecca) I will mention to currently take advantage of
affordable housing incentives, you need to deep restrict a unit for 20 years. In
the new code we have updated that to 99 years which is the maximum we
can legally do, so that guarantees a housing unit will remain affordable
through several generations.
− Q (John) What is the definition of affordable?
− A (Rebecca) It is different for rental versus sale housing. Essentially
10% of unites at a certain % of the area median income level or 20%
of units at a slightly higher median income level. Basically, for rent, we
call for a deeper level of affordable than sale housing. For rent it is
60% of area median income or below and 80% area median income or
below for sale. It is a certain number of units within the development
for it to be called affordable housing. If you do more housing units that
are affordable you can go to a slightly higher income level. If you do a
lower income level, you don’t need to do as many of the affordable
units so that is part of the collaboration, we did there. That increases
the overall capacity for affordable units. It doesn’t guarantee that many
affordable units will be built. That is happening in zone districts where
they have more undeveloped land where they have higher density
housing.
− Presentation (Rebecca) Some things that are now allowed in residential
zones are accessory dwelling units (attached or detached to an existing
buildings) in our low density residential or old town zone, duplexes and
triplexes, and another type called cottage court houses. Cottage court houses
created some confusion around what it is and how many lots could
accommodate that. The new square footage max is 2400 sqft for a single unit
home. It is a different amount for duplexes.
− Regarding the referendum the ordinance was passed by City Council, then
petitions were gathered, and the signatures were submitted this week. They
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don’t have the official certification until next week, but Rebecca has heard
that enough signatures have been verified to ensure this, so it has basically
been a successful petition. There are two next steps that could happen. At
City Council on January 17th Council could have the opportunity to decide to
repeal the ordinance themselves and respond to the petition or refer the
ordinance to the voters. Rebecca sat at Council last night and listening to
some of the comments, the organizers of Preserve Fort Collins made
comments and one of them specifically asked for Council to repeal the
ordinance themselves rather than refer it to voters. There are people pushing
both ways.
− Q (Blake) Is this the entire code or just parts?
− A (Rebecca) The petition was written for the entire code. We would
refer to the same code we have been operating under up until this
point and will continue until a new code gets adopted.
− Q (Blake) Could they repeal the entire thing but then still add in parts
they like?
− A (Rebecca) So they could do a lot of different things. They could
repeal it and direct a new public outreach program, they could repeal it
and direct specific changes, or they could repeal it and stick to the
code we currently have. It is in their discretion to pick the pathway.
They could also refer it to voters in a special election or our next
municipal vote in November. There are multiple different scenarios
that we are doing some planning on how to respond to any option and
what we need to gear up for. We are in a limbo state right now.
− Comment (Denny) This is a personal belief, but I hope they don’t just
throw it to a vote and run the risk of being denied and causing more
destruction. A lot of people said there is a lot of good stuff. I hate to
throw the whole thing out.
− Comment (Rebecca) I think there would be a lot of benefit in that and
a focused public process that seeks to respond to what is being heard
and open up dialog on some of these topics, do some shared learning,
and adjust aspects of the code that are not delivering on where people
don’t believe it is delivering. Ideally for me as staff working on this
would be a code that doesn’t compromise on the whole overall guiding
principals; where those are kept in mind but maybe have some
changes that reflect what we are hearing from the community. We
already as staff have been brainstorming some of those things, we
have been responding to all the questions that have been coming in
and been seeing things we would want to clarify. There are unintended
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consequences we didn’t see when we were drafting the code but now
that we have a property, we are looking at we can see some of those
scenarios. We are learning a lot through these conversations already
and I absolutely think there is some room for improvement.
− Presentation (Rebecca) Phase two seems far off in the future at this point
but this Board is going to be relevant to you and staff will want to engage
quite a bit in phase two of the code update. It is focused on a lot of the
nonresidential development and development standards that are in the code.
There are four different work streams (nonresidential development, support
15-minute cities, modernize development standards, and revise processes
and procedures) that the City will be looking at in phase two but they don’t yet
have a proposed sequencing of these conversations or prioritization of these
topics. Staff is not going to try to tackle all these things all at once in one
effort. There will be prioritization and mini phasing that happens in some way,
so it is digestible for the community, decision makers, and staff or
consultants.
− Q (Blake) Is there that type in rezoning at all?
− A (Rebecca) We already have zoning that matches this concept we
have called the commercial neighborhood zoning located at most of
our arterial intersections or some type of other commercial zoning to
try and encourage more of those neighborhood serving commercial
uses spread throughout the community. We are not necessarily seeing
those things get built. The zoning is there but it is not translating to that
type of development that the market wants to build. I think there is
some deep thinking that needs to happen there and how do we
actually drive the type of land uses we want. I will use the example of
Brothers BBQ that went in at Taft and Mulberry that is in a zone that is
zoned for commercial development. It was a really difficult process for
a small business to go through to retrofit an old gas station site and
try to fit in something that is a real benefit to the neighborhood, but the
code created a lot of barriers.
− Q (Blake) Did they scrape the site?
− A (Rebecca) They scraped the site but retrofitting tings like sidewalks,
parking, trees, and other things on the site can be really challenging to
get access points in and out of the site. Even if you are scraping a
building and trying to fit within an already built out context, it gets really
tricky with utilities, engineering and things like that. That relates to
modernizing our development standards in general. We need to look
at xeriscaping and get as many trees plated as possible. How do new
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neighborhoods get laid out. We get complaints abut the new look of
buildings from community members and architects who don’t like the
standards. Standards that relate to natural resources and historic
resources haven’t been updated in many years.
− Q (John) I am interested in a timeframe for phase two. Is that in limbo until
phase one is resolved?
− A (Rebecca) It is. We were hoping to start phase two in the second
quarter of 2023. We had some work we were planning on wrapping up
in the first few months of next year and then start digging into phase
two. With phase one up in the air and because our staffing levels and
the community’s ability to understand other code changes, we will be
waiting until after phase one is resolved. It could be that we are
starting next summer, next fall or it could be later than that. Council
has already budgeted for the project starting next year, even if next
year is doing more behind the scenes stuff of auditing the code and
building the list of what needs to be looked at. We will at least be
starting someway next year.
− Comment (John) I imagine Mistene might be interested in participating in
that piece.
− Comment (Mistene) For sure. One of the things that wasn’t
mentioned was the amount of work you all put into this is unbelievable
so thank you for doing that. One of the other aspects of it is the ease
of use with the Land Use Code. The changes that have been made
take us lightyears into the future just in terms of user interface and the
ability to engage with the code.
− Comment (Rebecca) Thank you for that. I am glad that is how it feels
because that was one of the goals. It certainly feels that way for me as
I try to do cross comparison between old and new code.
− Q (Mistene) It may be too soon to ask this, and I understand if you are not
comfortable answering. Knowing where we are now with the feedback
signatures and so forth, what would you have done differently from a
community engagement standpoint?
− A (Rebecca) I’m happy to try to answer the question. It still might be
too soon because we are still learning. I will say the type of community
dialog happening around this topic is very similar to the dialog
happening in other communities around the country right now. This is
a prime issue nationwide. We are seeing a lot of the same talking
points and discussions on all sides of this. In some ways this is just
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some of the conflict that comes when you start to talk about how do
you add more housing into communities that are built out. In terms of
doing engagement differently, there are other platforms we could have
leveraged better like social media and next door that we could have
been effective with. Really breaking down the code changes in an
understandable way versus just saying here is the draft code provide
feedback. The Coloradoan did an article in the last week that went
zone district by zone district of what is changing and what this could
mean for you. That was really great, and I think if we would have done
that kind of communication, it would have been helpful. I don’t think it
would have avoided the kind of frustration or concern we are hearing
but would have helped people feel more informed earlier on. I think
there is a lot more we are learning as well.
− Comment (Denny) All of the items you are looking at in phase two is great. It
is really the guts of what this community is all about.
− Comment (Rebecca) Thank you and it is very overwhelming. When I
throw that list up, I start to get heart palpitations. Our next major step
is to try and break down what we do first and what order we do things
in because we are talking about pulling the entire remainder of the
code that hasn’t been touched yet and revising a lot.
− Comment (Blake) This should be on the Board’s work plan we talked about.
This seems like one of the more substantial subjects for this Board to be
involved in. I know we are not sure when go time is but when it happens…I
will also pause to say hearing you today, being so committed and truly
working on principals everyone agrees with, you are so positive on how to
track around this challenge going on and it is probably difficult for you.
− Comment (Rebecca) There are moments where it is hard to maintain
optimism around, but I think a lot of our job is as City Planners is
listening to the community and hearing what is at the root of people’s
concerns, comments, and recognizing people don’t get involved with
something like this unless they care about the community. We also
really care about the community so just knowing that is the foundation
we are all working from. I will make a note to make sure the Board is
involved along the way.
− Comment (John) It seems like next steps are uncertain at this point, but it
looks like it could be a good move for Council to retract the code and work on
git. I wonder if we as a Board should think about drafting a memo to Council
suggesting that. It sounds like maybe that is what you were recommending
as well.
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− Comment (Rebecca) I don’t think I have a recommendation per say. I
think it is up to Council and it is really in the political realm now. I also
think that if you want to provide that recommendation, Council would
appreciate hearing from some of the boards.
− Comment (Blake) Denny’s point to if it just goes down in flames in a
vote. This Board would be concerned about would the next step be
really delayed. Maybe it is our place to say if Council can figure out a
path that doesn’t do that. That may help not delay important economic
development conversations that we need to have. Just a quick note
saying repeal and rebuild more quickly.
− Comment (Denny) I agree with suggesting that approach and
indicating we should prioritize some of the most vocal, consistent, or a
majority of the concerns about it. There are some really wonderful
things in this and to tweak it rather than dump it and bring it back to
Council.
− Q (Blake) I would assume that kind of complete referendum repeal and delay
has economic impacts.
− A (Rebecca) Yes, we already know we have developers who were
planning to submit applications the first week of January on projects
and now that is on hold so there are implications.
− Mistene agrees with a recommendation for Council to repeal as it gives the
City more control of managing that process and timelines. Since there is not
quorum John will reach out to Braulio since he got disconnected to get his
opinion. Council will meet January 17th and staff packets are due January 4th.
Mistene will work on a draft.
• EAB 2022 Annual Report Work Session
− The Board went through the 2022 Annual Report and word smithed the
document.
8. BOARD MEMBER AND STAFF REPORTS
• This is Blake and Jeff’s last meeting as Board members.
• Denny recommended a promoter for Fort Collins. He also loves the Downtown area
at Christmas as it is a wonderful place to be and stated the City does a wonderful
job with the lights.
• Blake- When you have a huge institution like CSU …. Not thinking like the board
would be thinking… I know that comes up more with Land Use, but it is more about
the business that serve the large institution like that and the eco system around not
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here just adjacent and the students in the way that they interact with this 3000
coming in and out of the door matters a lot to them and so I think deeper
conversations should be had between the University and the City. I presume that
happens between the President and Mayor and such, but I think that is the ability for
different voices to engage in topics of that sort.
− Comment (John) It is a really important point you bring up and something
that we really haven’t focused on so much in EAB and would be a good topic
to focus on in the future.
− Comment (Blake) I just recall when we were talking about business
incubators and the foothills campus and so siloed off from what CSU wanted
its like do you interact with the city do you talk to the city? I guess just be
intentional about this.
• Mistene- I think Blake’s comments are interesting. By definition CSU is its own entity
so that makes things a little difficult and thinks like Hugh Stadium land brings a new
nuance to things there. As a Board member I really appreciate the knowledge and
understanding of what the City is working on. Personally, I would like us to have a
little bit more influence input in terms of what is coming out of those meetings. It
seems like we have a lot of information meetings. I would like to take it to the next
level. I don’t know what that looks like. It is great to understand what the City is
working on and take that into the community.
− Comment (John) Thank you for stepping up to draft that memo for Council
on the Land Use Code. That is traditionally the most important way we have
acted as a Board. I think this is really timely one to comment on and we have
some influence there.
• John – I just want to say thank you Jillian for stepping in this year in this new role
for you and appreciate you guiding us through. I agree that it is important that we act
whenever possible. We have so much variety of knowledge here, we want to utilize
it.
− Comment (Mistene) It is great to hear different perspectives even very
specifically in terms of Land Use Code. My experience is different than
everyone else’s in terms of being more engaged. It is important to understand
other’s viewpoints.
9. OTHER BUSINESS
10. ADJOURN - 5:59 pm