HomeMy WebLinkAboutLand Use Review Commission - Minutes - 10/14/2021
Ralph Shields, Chair
Shelley La Mastra, Vice Chair
David Lawton
John McCoy
Taylor Meyer
Ian Shuff
Butch Stockover
Council Liaison: Shirley Peel
Staff Liaison: Noah Beals
LOCATION:
Virtual Hearing
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REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 14, 2021
8:30 AM
• CALL TO ORDER and ROLL CALL
All commission members were present. Stockover was present but joined after the roll call.
• APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETING
Meyer made a motion, seconded by Lawton to approve the September 9, 2021, Minutes. The
motion was adopted unanimously.
• CITIZEN PARTICIPATION -NONE-
• APPEALS FOR VARIANCE TO THE LAND USE CODE
1. APPEAL ZBA210039 - APPROVED
Address: 617 Cherry St
Owner/Petitioner: Vincent and Kimberly Chimelis
Zoning District: N-C-M
Code Section: 4.8(E)(4)
Project Description:
This is a request to enclose an exterior stair (cellar access) with a roofed structure that would
encroach .92 feet (11 inches) in the required 5-foot alley side setback.
Staff Presentation:
Beals presented slides relevant to the appeal and discussed the variance request, noting the property
is mid-block between Loomis Ave. and Whitcomb St. The lot was originally platted with one alley down
the middle. Subsequent development included the construction of an additional alley. The property is
located between the two alleyways. The request is to cover and fully enclose an exterior cellar
stairway on the east side of the existing home. The home was constructed in 1920, prior to most of our
current building codes. The staircase does currently encroach slightly into the existing setback. The
east side of the property abuts an alley and does not directly abut any residences. There is a similar
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existing cantilever bay window on the east side of the building, which code allows to encroach
approximately two feet into the setback.
Applicant Presentation:
Applicant Troy Chimelis, 6244 Murano Dr., Windsor CO, addressed the board and agreed to h old the
hearing held remotely. Chimelis stated that he has recently purchased th e property and is making
upgrades to the home prior to taking occupancy. Chimelis notes that he had previously been
measuring from the fence line, however a survey recently performed shows that the fence is located a
bit further east from the actual property line, continues at an angle from back to front of lot.
Audience Participation: (none)
Commission Discussion:
Commission member Stockover thinks this is a straightforward and reasonable request, noting that the
alley gives them more of a buffer, and that the residence is pre-existing older home.
Vice Chair La Mastra concurs, noting that this request within the definition of being nominal and
inconsequential.
Commission Member Stockover made a motion, seconded by Shuff to APPROVE ZBA210039
for the following reasons: the granting of the modification of standard would not be detrimental
to the public good and the proposal as submitted will not diverge from the standard except in a
nominal, inconsequential way, when considered in the context of the neigh borhood, and will
continue to advance the purpose of the Land Use Code contained in Section 1.2.2 with the
following findings: the staircase location to be enclosed is existing, and the encroachment
occurs along an alley as well as behind an existing fence. Additionally, similar-sized
architectural features are permitted to encroach, which this building has.
Yeas: Stockover, McCoy, Shields, Meyer, La Mastra, Shuff, Lawton Nays: None
THE MOTION CARRIED, THE ITEM WAS APPROVED
2. APPEAL ZBA210040 - APPROVED
Address: 1401 W Lake St.
Owner/Petitioner: Whitney Cranshaw
Zoning District: R-L
Code Section: 4.4(D)(2)(c)
Project Description:
This is a request to build an accessory building (greenhouse) encroaching a total of 5 feet in the
required 15-foot setback.
Staff Presentation:
Beals presented slides relevant to the appeal and discussed the variance request, noting the property
is located at the end of a cul-de-sac, as well as abutting some property that is owned by a church
entity. This request is to build a greenhouse structure within the required rear setback. The required
rear setback is 15 feet; the applicants are requesting to build 10 feet into the setback . The structure
would continue to meet the side setback along the north. The proposes structure is a dome; overall
height at the peak would be 10 feet.
Commission member Stockover asked if there is a height limitation for structures such as this. Beals
stated that in general, the height limitation is the same as for a primary building. Commissio n member
Stockover asked if this is considered an accessory building? Beals confirms that it is an accessory
building and mentioned that if a building is less than 8 feet and less than 124 sq ft, you are not
required to get a building permit. However, because this structure is over the height limit it is required
to have a permit.
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Applicant Presentation:
Applicant Sue Ballou, 1400 W Lake St., addressed the board and agreed to hold the hearing remotely.
Ballou stated that she is the owner of the property located at 1401 W Lake St., where the application is
being made. The property is a vacation rental and is registered as such with the City. Ballou stated
that the proposed location works better due to the amount of sun received and the proximity to an
existing 6-foot fence. There is a fair amount of tree growth providing screening between the proposed
greenhouse location and the adjacent property owned the church entity.
Vice Chair La Mastra questions the proposed location of the greenhouse, noting that in pictures the
location appears to be completely shaded. The applicant responded that most of the shade visible in
the photos is from a Crabapple tree that is slated to be removed, which will result in a sunny site.
Audience Participation: (none)
Commission Discussion:
Commission member Meyer stated his opinion that this request falls into the category of nominal and
inconsequential. The dome shape lends itself to only a small portion of the dome being over 10 feet
tall. The current proposed location will be least visible to neighbors and makes sense.
Commission member Stockover stated his opinion that the proposed location is good, and there is
good surrounding vegetation to provide visual cover. However, this will be a massive permanent
structure; this is larger than the typical “backyard greenhouse”, which gives a moment of pause.
Stockover stated that if this were in another location, he may not be able to support the request.
Commission member Shuff agreed with the sentiments of Stockover, agreeing that while the structure
is indeed large, the proposed location will help to hide it from sight amongst adjacent neighbors.
Vice Chair La Mastra stated the property directly behind the applicant is currently owned by the church
but is a separate parcel. Most of these properties will eventually be re -developed, and the context of
that future development needs to be considered.
Commission member Lawton stated that if not for the setback issue, this structure wouldn’t even be in
front of the board for review. The size is not a big problem, and the structure appears to be in good
character. La Mastra concurs with Lawton, and notes that the abutment of the rear yard is made to the
side yard of the church lot. Encroachment may be contextually appropriate in this case.
Chair Shields stated that the size doesn’t concern him as much if it is meeting size requirements for
this type of structure.
Commission Member Meyer made a motion, seconded by Lawton to APPROVE ZBA210040 for
the following reasons: the granting of the modification of standard would not be detrimental to
the public good and the proposal as submitted will not diverge from the standard except in a
nominal, inconsequential way, when considered in the context of the neighborhood, and will
continue to advance the purpose of the Land Use Code contained in Section 1.2.2 with the
following findings: the abutting neighbor is required a five foot side yard setback from the
shared property line; the accessory structure will be used for gardening purposes.
Yeas: Stockover, McCoy, Shields, Meyer, La Mastra, Shuff, Lawton Nays: None
THE MOTION CARRIED, THE ITEM WAS APPROVED
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3. APPEAL ZBA210041 - APPROVED
Address: 501 Edwards St.
Owner: On Track Homes LLC
Petitioner: Adam Jaspers
Zoning District: N-C-M
Code Section: 4.8(E)(4); 3.8.19(A)(6)
Project Description:
This is a request to encroach 8 feet 4 inches, and an additional 3 feet for the eave, into the required
16-foot west side-yard setback for a building with a wall height of 19 feet 1.25 inches. A variance
request (ZBA210033) to encroach 5.8 feet into the side-yard setback for a wall height of 18 feet has
previously been approved.
Staff Presentation:
Beals presented slides relevant to the appeal and discussed the variance request, noting the property
was also reviewed by the board in August. The previous variance approved an encroachment in the
same area. When the permit was again up for review, it was found that the wall height is higher than
18 feet. This requires an additional setback; because it is 2 feet (or a portion of 2 ft) above 18 feet, it
requires an additional foot of setback (for a total of 16 feet of setback). The existing home does
currently encroach on both east and west setbacks. As currently proposed, the structure would meet
the 6-foot setback requirement on the east side and would encroach on the west side setback. Beals
noted that property line does not align with back of sidewalk, minimizing the p erception of
encroachment on setback. Interior plans have not changed since the last review. Exterior plans have
not changed either.
Applicant Presentation:
Applicant Adam Jaspers, 36763 Bryan Ave., Windsor, CO, addressed the board and agreed to hold
the hearing remotely. Jaspers added that it was a surprising to note that within this zoning district wall
height is not measured from the top of the foundation but is instead measured from grade from the
interior lot line. The building has been shifted over due to difficulties meeting wall height at the lot line
with the required grade, because it drops off another foot or so. The main floor has been recessed to
maintain level with top of concrete on foundation.
Audience Participation: (none)
Commission Discussion:
Commission member Shuff states if this property were not located on a corner and having a large side
yard setback, he may not be able to support the variance. This is a clear design restraint, and eave
height is clearly stated in the Land Use Code. Everyone must abide by the same code and there are
ways to do.
Vice Chair La Mastra agreed with Shuff and stated additional separate between back of sidewalk and
property line helps in this context to mitigate encroachment into the setback. If located somewhere
else this request may not be supported but given the context of location it may be easier to support.
Commission member Meyer stated that he was not in attendance during the August hearing and is
seeing this proposed plan for the first time. Meyer’s first reaction is the site is very challenging—the
site is 40 feet wide with a 15-foot setback on one side and a 5-foot setback on the other side, leaving a
buildable footprint only 20 feet wide. When comparing what is being proposed now to what was
proposed in August, this appears to be a nominal change. Wish we could replat the property!
Commission member Lawton stated his continued support for the request from August, noting that a
change in 1 foot of setback encroachment doesn’t change his current thinking.
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Vice Chair La Mastra commented she finds it interesting that an 8-foot encroachment into a 15-foot
setback would be deemed as nominal. Given the lot conditions and setback restraints as outlined by
Meyer, this might be a hardship justification for the variance.
Chair Shields questions whether this becomes nominal given the context of relationship between lot
line and back of sidewalk? La Mastra responds she could see that perspective; when considering
percentages, 8 feet out of the require 15 feet setback represents more than 50% of total area. How
could one effectively build a home on a 20-foot sliver?
Commission member Stockover noted that the board didn’t always have the nominal and
inconsequential justifications; without those guidelines, this request would certainly meet the
justification for hardship. The narrowness of the lot fits the description of “exceptional physical
conditions” unique to the property.
Beals noted that if wall heights were at 18 feet, the setback would be 15 feet. Because the wall he ight
is now over 18 feet, the required setback is expanded to 16 feet and 6 feet, reducing the footprint of
the property even more.
Commission Member Stockover made a motion, seconded by La Mastra to APPROVE
ZBA210041 for the following reasons: the granting of the modification of standard would not be
detrimental to the public good and for the hardship reason of exceptional physical conditions
or other extraordinary and exceptional situations unique to the property, wh ich is subject to
the request as follows. The narrowness of the lot creates a hardship condition, and mitigating
factors are that it has a large buffer between the sidewalk and property line. Additionally, the
increased wall height of 19+ feet provides a second reason to approve on the grounds of
nominal and inconsequential.
Yeas: Stockover, McCoy, Shields, Meyer, La Mastra, Shuff, Lawton Nays: None
THE MOTION CARRIED, THE ITEM WAS APPROVED
4. APPEAL ZBA210042 – APPROVED with Condition
Address: 2533 Courtland Ct.
Owner/Petitioner: Clay Bell
Zoning District: R-L
Code Section: 4.4(D)(2)(d); 3.8.19(A)(6)
Project Description:
This is a request for a carport to encroach 4 feet 11 inches into the required 5-foot side setback. The
posts will be 1 foot from the property line and combination of eave and gutter is 11 inches and will not
cross property line.
Staff Presentation:
Beals presented slides relevant to the appeal and discussed the variance request, noting the property
is located on a cul-de-sac, which butts up against Drake Rd. There is a small pedestrian access from
Drake Rd. to the end of the cul-de-sac. This property wants to build a carport on the north side of the
house. The primary structure is almost double the size of the required setback; however, there is still a
required 5-foot setback along the side of the property. Prior to the applicant owning the property, there
was a carport in-place. Subsequent investigation determined that no previous permit was pulled for the
carport that was present, meaning it was technically an illegal structure.
During the large snowstorm of last year, the existing carport collapsed under the weight of the snow.
The collapsed carport has been removed, and the applicant is now seeking to rebuild what had been
an illegal structure. In submitting the building permit this time, they found it was in the setback, and a
hold has been placed on the permit. They are now seeking a variance for setback encroachment.
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Beals explained that the current request is to build out a carport extending almost all the way up to the
property line, with a 1-foot setback from the post to the property line, and 1 inch from the face of the
gutter to the property line. The proposed roof has an increased roof to assist with snow/water runoff.
Beals showed aerial images of the property, noting that this lot and others at the end of the cul-de-sac
are a bit wider compared to the interior lots.
Commission member McCoy asked Beals if, in the context of a fence running along the property line, if
a fence can be 6 feet tall. Beals confirmed. McCoy asked to clarify that because there would be a roof
extending from the house, this is what has triggered the variance request. Beals answered that
because the roof of the proposed carport is attached to the primary residence, the carport then
requires a building permit and must meet fire code as it approaches the house.
Chair Shields asked Beals if there was another structure to the south of the existing home. Beals
responded that it appears that there is a small shed and another shade structure on the property.
Applicant Presentation:
Applicant Clay Bell and Kevay Bell, 2533 Courtland Ct., addressed the board and agreed to hold the
hearing remotely. Clay bell provided a bit of context, stating they purchased the home about a year
ago and during the snowstorm last year, the carport collapsed. The old carport was supporte d
primarily by 4” x 4” wooden posts and beams and was attached to the face of the home via simple
metal brackets. The previous carport roof did extend to the fence, and had a gutter installed to
minimize water and ice flowing to the neighbor’s property. Bell stated that he is looking to essentially
rebuild the previous structure but do it in a way that prevents future collapse or damage. From the front
of the house there is a full-swing gate providing access to the carport location; the proposed roof
would extend just a bit higher than the fence line.
Commission member La Mastra asked the applicant if they have spoken to their adjacent neighbor,
and whether the neighbor is ok with the proposed carport. Bell indicated that he had spoken with the
neighbor; the neighbors observed the collapse of the carport while shoveling snow. The neighbor is ok
with the proposed carport, and in fact helped the previous homeowner with the building of the original
carport more than ten years ago. Unfortunately, the structure collapsed right after purchase.
Commission member Lawton asked what the reason is for constructing a carport, when it appears
from pictures that there is a garage present on the property. Beals responded that the previous owner
used the carport to store a “hot rod”, and when Beals purchased the home, the carport was an
attractive feature to store bikes, kayaks, and other small items. The proposed carport is not intended
for vehicular storage. Lawton continued to ask why a carport is desired when a garage is present; Ball
responded the garage is currently being used to store vehicles, and the proposed carport would
provide additional covered space for outdoor and recreation equipment. And, Bell stated, really, they
are looking to replace a structure that was present when the home was purchased a year ago, as it
was an attractive feature at the time of purchase.
Chair Shields asked the applicants if they had considered building a cover that met the setback
requirements? Would that type of structure meet their needs? Clay Bell responded it the variance is
not granted, in all likelihood they will not rebuild the structure and will just “deal” with it. A cover that
meets the setback would be quite a bit narrower and may prevent parking a trailer or other full -width
item within the covered space.
Audience Participation: (none)
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Commission Discussion:
Commission member Stockover asked Noah Beals if prefabricated metal “car shades” are considered
temporary structures? Would that type of structure be allowed in this space? Beals responded “no”,
most of the prefab structures seen around town are in fact illegal due to their size and should have had
a permit pulled prior to their installation. Because they require a permit, they also need to meet the
required setback. Stockover asks if a temporary structure must meet all codes, including setback.
Beals responded in the affirmative, noting a structure is considered an “accessory building” and
requires a building permit when it is 120 sq ft or more and/or reaches a height of more than 8 feet.
Stockover asks what the proposed height of the structure is, noting the proposed structure is 10 feet
wide by 25 feet long. Stockover states that part of him wants to approve, noting the structure would be
behind a fence, up against a neighbor’s wall, and a structure existed on the site previously. On the flip
side, there is a shed on the back on the other side already. The lot was probably pus hed back away
from Drake as far as possible to create a buffer. That said, the proposed structure is quite a bit bigger
than what is allowed as well as being taller.
Chair Shields commented it is always tough when a structure is proposed to be built righ t up against a
property line, and many challenges may arise from that close of a proximity.
Commission member Shuff agreed with Shields, commenting there are multiple options allowed within
code to provide cover that may not require a variance.
Vice Chair La Mastra compared this request to previous instances of carports being granted variances,
commenting almost all carports previously approved had some degree of encroachment into the
setback. In the last few months, we have looked at carports that come within inches of adjacent
property lines. La Mastra notes these petitioners have come here in good faith prior to beginning
construction, which can’t be said of all applicants. Also, their proposed plan contains elements such as
gutter to reduce impact on neighboring properties. Given these factors, La Mastra is less inclined to
decline this request.
Commission member Stockover suggested that the carport being proposed could perhaps be reduced
in size to 8 feet wide by 20 feet deep, to reduce the footprint. The depth may not be the biggest issue;
however, as drawn the rear of the carport extends beyond the back of the neighbor’s house.
Considering that anything approved is approved forever, we need to consider future impacts. A smaller
structure may be more desirable and could still provide all the cover needs expressed by the
applicants. There may also be a concern about safety/fire access. A 6 x 15 -foot structure may be
easier to approve.
Commission member La Mastra concurred with Stockover, stating her support for a possible motion
that would include conditions requiring a smaller-sized structure be built.
Commission member McCoy asked that if the structure was ten feet wide (to the property line) and
twelve feet deep, would a permit still be required? Noah Beals clarified that any structure that is
attached to the primary residence requires a permit. Additionally, any structure over 8 feet tall requires
a permit. McCoy asks if a structure 7.5 feet tall, 10 feet wide and 12 feet deep would require a permit.
Beals responds that it would not. Stockover responds that solution may be a “manipulation” of code.
La Mastra commented that she does not view it so much as a manipulation of code, but instead is a
necessary cut off parameter.
Shields asked the Board what they felt regarding Stockover’s proposed condition for approval. The
condition in question would reduce the proposed size of the structure to 8 feet wide by 20 feet deep.
Commission member Meyer stated his agreement with the direction of the proposed conditions. Meyer
stated that if he were the applicant, he would have attempted to avoid having to request a variance in
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the first place. For example, posts could be placed at the five-foot setback, with the roof overhanging
two feet for seven feet of cover. You could build as far back without a variance and would only require
a permit. Meyer lamented the fact that the highlighted Zillow listing provided by the applicant calls out
the inclusion of a carport, when in fact the property does not allow for the build out of a car -sized
structure.
Commission member Lawton commented what we have before us would not be supported, but there
are some modifications that can be made to get to approval. If the structure were originally designed to
meet code, we wouldn’t even need to talk about it. If there is a mid-term, medium solution, that is
something we’d like to entertain. However, Lawton would like to hear from the applicants directly
before making any proposed changes/conditions prior to approval.
Applicant Clay Bell stated he has been listening in to the Board discussion and it makes sense. The
reason why a variance request was sought was driven by the convenience and flexibility of having a
structure that is sizable enough to fit a vehicle or trailer when needed, now and into the future.
Additionally, the intent was to leave enough space on either side to be able to exit a vehicle once
parked within the carport. The proposed new structure would utilize elements like ledger board to
increase lateral strength and prevent future collapse. If post locations are moved back to eight feet
wide, that could be a good compromise. The 25-foot length was an attempt to fully cover the side
space next to the home, but a shorter length could be amenable as well.
Commission member Stockover suggested that an 8-foot width may not be convenient for a daily
driver but could be used to back in a vehicle that is not driven as frequently. The reduced length being
proposed would also draw the rear of the carport roof closer in line with the edge of the neighboring
home.
Commission member McCoy asked if he could hear comments from Commission member Shuff.
Commission member Shuff shared his opinion that Stockover’s proposed changes are ok and
represent a good approach that maintain a useable covered area. Shuff noted that this circumstance is
better than some in that the neighboring home doesn’t have any windows on the side wall that would
be impacted.
Commission Member Stockover made a motion, seconded by Shuff to APPROVE WITH
CONDITION ZBA210042 for the following reasons: the granting of the modification of standard
would not be detrimental to the public good and the proposal as submitted will not diverge
from the standard of the Land Use Code except in a nominal, inconsequential way, when
considered in the context of the neighborhood, and will continue to advance the purpose of the
Land Use Code contained in Section 1.2.2 with the following findings : the first finding that
although the previous carport was not permitted and was an illegal structure, it was in place for
ten-plus years without any concern from the adjacent neighbor. Second, the variance request
is approved with the condition that the proposed structure be reduced in size, to 8 feet wide
from the edge of house by 20 feet deep, with a pitched roof as shown in the drawings. The final
finding for approval is the fact that the carport will be open on three sides, is behind a gated
fence, is located on an existing slab, and we are improving the condition from previous non-
conforming condition by increase space to side yard setback by 2 feet, bringing it more in
compliance with safety access issues to the backyard.
Yeas: Stockover, McCoy, Shields, Meyer, La Mastra, Shuff, Lawton Nays: None
THE MOTION CARRIED, THE ITEM WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITION.
Noah Beals reminded applicant Clay Bell that they will need to update their building permit to be in
compliance with the above requirements. Bell asked to clarify that the 8 -foot width was measured from
the face of the house to the outer face of the post. Beals confirmed that to be accurate.
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• OTHER BUSINESS
Noah Beals reminded the Board that next month’s meeting will be held on a Friday (November 12),
rather than Thursday, due to Veterans Day occurring on Thursday, November 11. We will continue to
meet remotely.
• ADJOURNMENT – meeting adjourned at 10:10am
Ralph Shields, Chair Noah Beals, Senior City Planner-Zoning
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